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Raymond Peat, Ph.D.
Cellular repair

KMUD, 2012​

(Transcribed by Burtlancast)

HD: This month’s loose subject is cellular repair. We’re also going to look into avoid scarring, amongst other things. Dr Peat, thank you for joining us again. For people who have never listened to the show, could you just give a resume of your background ?

RP: 1968 to 1972, I studied mostly physiology and biochemistry at the University of Oregon, and did my dissertation on age-related changes in the uterus’ oxidative changes. And I’ve found that estrogen and polyunsaturated fats tend to accumulate or increase in the tissues with aging, and interfere with the use of oxygen. And since then, I’ve been working out the implications of that. The topic you’ve mentioned derives from that subject.

HD: Good. So, in utero, when tissue gets damaged, these oxidative changes happen without scarring, contrary to injuries in everyday life, where scarring is common when exposed to things you talked about,. Is there something to do about this scarring ?

RP: Yes. Early in the development of the embryo, there’s no blood supply, so the cells are just absorbing oxygen, and sugar, and amino acids, and vitamins and such, from their environment. And, every time the cells divide, the environment for each new cell is different. The more cells there are, the more complex the environment is. And, if you happen to be next to a hungry cell, you won’t get the same supply of oxygen and sugar. So the changing shape, as the embryo grows, interacts with, and modifies the supply of nutrients. So, the very shape that the embryo develops into is governed partly by the supplies that the mother can deliver to it.

HD: This relates to things like brain size, or skull size ?

RP: Everything. For example, they knew in the 50’s already that if you lowered blood sugar of well developed fetus, using either estrogen or insulin, which would lower the blood sugar, the brain cells would simply stop multiplying, as long as the blood sugar was inadequate. And if you take a chicken embryo in an egg, for example, its brain stops growing, exactly when the hen’s provided glucose supply is used up. But if you open the egg, and inject a little bit of glucose, the brain will start growing again. And chicken will develop with a bigger brain than normal chickens ever had.

HD: So this is why it’s so important for pregnant mothers to have optimal nutrition to support the brain development and the growth of their babies to an optimal level .

RP: Yeah. From the sixth month to delivery, about half of the brain cells that are present at month six die off. And that’s how you can influence the size of the brain by providing sugar. The more sugar there is, the fewer of those month six brain cells will die off.

HD: Should then pregnant mothers be hooked up to a fructose IV ? I’ve known you mentioned in the past that fructose crosses the placenta, and doesn’t come back to the mother: it’s trapped. So it’s a good sugar to provide?

RP: Yeah. It’s what babies want apparently, because it doesn’t give any back.

HD: Supposedly, it’s very traditional in the [sane]? philosophy that mothers should eat a lot of honey, which is very similar to fructose.

RP: Yes.

HD: Let’s discuss about the virtual absence of scarring in utero, with the high levels of progesterone and the absence (hopefully) of the polyunsaturated fats.

RP: Yeah. There’s no inflammation involved in the repair. If you remove some tissue in the fetus, or embryo, the adjacent cells simply multiply and fill in with more cells. Apparently, by taking out some cells ,you’ve left the available nutrient supply increased relatively. So, the neighboring cells have more, and can simply grow faster and fill in the space. But in a mature animal, there are many things that interfere with that: the blood supply is interrupted if you have an injury. And so the supply of sugar and oxygen is reduced. And so there are mechanisms to make up for that, to try to increase the delivery of sugar and oxygen.

HD: And this is a stress metabolism: it’s your emergency backup. If you’re not performing under ideal conditions, then it does the next best thing, which isn’t a particularly good job. It gets the sugar there to the degree it does, but it has other harmful inflammatory effects.

RP: Yeah. The glucose is largely provided during stress from breaking down proteins. First you use up what’s stored as glycogen; but when that runs out, then you have to break down protein.

HD: This is why it’s important not to go longer than 8 hours without eating? So you don’t use up all of your glycogen in the liver, right ?

RP: Yeah. And the lack of oxygen, or the presence of lactic acid, which is produced by a lack of oxygen: either of those turns on the production of very simple protein that serves as supporting material, but also as a barrier substance. So that cells that are injured put out a framework collagen material. But too much of that will increase the distance that oxygen and sugar has to travel to reach the cell. So, it can make the problem progressively worse (the more a cell embeds itself in collagen, as the result of the stress). So, you get more framework material, but less functioning cellular material. And that’s a scar. But if you look at the whole life development of the organism, every tissue has to renew itself constantly. Like your skin and your intestine: everyone knows that those are streaming from the stem cells at the bottom of the layer. As the cells multiply and mature, they reach the surface, where they fall off. But every tissue and organ in the body is undergoing the same sort of movement from stem cells to mature functioning cells. Ideally, that’s just a continuation of the development of cells in the embryo and fetus. They’re fed, they multiply, expand, and complexify. But, as things interfere with the ability to use energy or oxygen, the mature animal progressively moves into a generalized inflammatory state. It doesn’t take a specific wound to turn on these cytokines, and hormones, and such (histamine, serotonin, and so on…).

HD: Which are all the backup stress emergency…

RP: Yeah. A generalized systemic stress starts turning these on in your fat, cells, your liver… Every organ can produce these. And, that starts, basically, to shift the whole body in the same direction that scar formation goes. Your whole body loses vital functioning cells, and replaces them with collagen, inert connective tissue. So that bone meat, for example, is tough, because it’s full of collagen. An old animal hide is thicker and tougher, because there’s more collagen in it. Kid gloves are delicate. But a mature goat skin is a thicker thing: that’s leather. And that happens in the whole of the tissues, progressively. Basically turning towards scar tissue-type of function.

HD: What type of processes inhibit in our bodies the ideal use of sugar and oxygen?

RP: The thyroid is the basic thing. And thyroid activates the respiratory enzyme for which copper is the crucial cofactor. And, if you load up on iron…an excess of iron is one of the things that tends to displace this crucial copper. And anything that interferes with your thyroid function will also interfere with the function of this copper-containing enzyme. Too much darkness, not enough good light, reduces the activity of this enzyme.

HD: So, people need to get lots of sunshine in summer. And it doesn’t have to be during the hottest time of the day: the best is in the morning, and the later-afternoon, evening. It’s the red light that’s so regenerative and healing, and helps the body use oxygen and sugar more efficiently.

RP: Yeah. And in the absence of sunlight, if you just shine a very bright incandescent light on your tissues, within a few minutes, the oxidative enzymes are activated, and reduce stress.

HD: And it doesn’t matter which part of the tissues is hit by light: any part touched by light will help all throughout the body.
Dr Peat, the concept of healing without scarring is pretty new to me, and to people in general. What you’re saying is the polyunsaturated fats found in liquid vegetable oils and other processed foods have a very negative and inflammatory effect in the cascade that would otherwise produce active repair-cells without scarring.

RP: And some of the worst inflammatory agents are produced directly from the vegetable oils, polyunsaturated fats (the omega minus six class form the prostaglandins).

HD: And these are very pro- inflammatory.

RP: Yes. And the fetus is highly protected against those. So, people talking about the so-called essential fatty acids have noticed that human babies and calves are born in an extremely deficient state, they say. And that’s been used to sell the addition of fish oil to baby formulas, and such.

HD: My goodness. When it’s actually completely the opposite: they don’t need it and don’t want it.

RP: Yes. The placenta protects the baby against those fats.

HD: They don’t cross the placenta, then ?

RP: No. The sugar that the baby does absorb makes the omega nine series, which are anti-inflammatory.

HD: So, humans haven’t eaten these oils in such large quantities ever before, until the 1920’s. And that’s one of the reasons there’s so many degenerative diseases, like the damage to pancreatic beta cells from omega six fatty acids.
You have mentioned many times that diabetes is a typical illustration of that vicious cycle that builds up when polyunsaturates intensify the stress reaction. And the stress can just be every day stress, isn’t it ? It doesn’t have to be physical trauma?

RP: Every time your blood sugar falls, that’s a stress reaction. It first calls adrenalin to move glycogen into the blood stream, largely out of your liver. But your muscles have quite a bit of stored glycogen too that they can use. And, adrenalin first activates that. But when you run out of the stored glycogen, and your blood sugar falls more…

HD: How long does that take ?

RP: Some people do it in 2 or 3 minutes. But with a good liver, you should be able to go 8 hours without any stress.

HD: That’s why as soon as you wake up in the morning, you should have a glass of orange juice, or something sweet taking your blood sugar back up from the long night of fasting. That’s why it’s called “break-fast”.

RP: When the blood sugar falls, or when you have any stress, the adrenalin, after the glycogen is depleted, the adrenalin starts mobilizing free fatty acids out of your fat cells, but also out of your other tissues cells, where phospholipids are turning down very fast. And phospholipids will come into the blood, releasing free fatty acids. And if you’ve incorporated a lot of the polyunsaturated fats into your tissues, these free polyunsaturated fats happen to not only interfere with sugar metabolism, but they also signal more stress hormone production. So, they will tell your brain that the stress is worse than it was.

HD: Right. Having an intensifying effect then.

RP: Yeah. As opposed to the saturated fats, which tend to inhibit the stress reaction. So, it’s a self-limiting thing. If you’ve been a sugar, or a saturated fats eater, and have a stress, you release the saturated fats, which are anti-inflammatory, and turn off the stress hormones.

HD: That’s why if you don’t eat, you will eat yourself. Can you tell which oils are rich in PUFAS ?

RP: All of the things you see quietly advertized: corn oil, canola, soybean oil, safflowers oils, sunflower oil, walnut oil, sesame oil, cotton seed oil,…

HD: Could you illustrate the sequela of diabetes, as an illustration of this stress reaction, and it’s vicious cycle of inflammation ?

RP: The American diet, in the last 35 years, when the diabetes and obesity have been increasing so much, the polyunsaturated fats are the biggest increase in our diet, not sugar. And, if you look at the nature of the pancreas, there’s a constant renewal of the beta cells that produce insulin in the pancreas. So, the idea that once you’re diabetic, you’re doomed to be always diabetic, because you don’t have the cells in the pancreas that went out when people discovered the idea of stem cells. In one of my newsletters on sugar and diabetes, I mention that there are studies that show that glucose stimulates renewal of the beta cells in the pancreas.

HD: So that sugar helps the diabetic pancreas to regenerate.

RP: Helping to renew itself. But since the polyunsaturated fats and prostaglandins that they form are toxic to the beta cells, if you don’t have enough glucose, you’ll just keep killing any beta cells that appears. Even though you do have the stem cells, they will be converted to beta cells, just to be killed by the PUFAS. And, it happens that the stem cells, the flow from the new cell to the mature insulin cells, it happens that one of the early stages in this streaming is from the glucagon producing alpha cells in the pancreas. The alpha cells turn into beta cells as they mature. And the glucagon-producing alpha cells raise the blood sugar. And so, if you have a lot of the alpha cells in proportion to the beta cells, that will create apparent diabetes, because the glucagon causes the breakdown of proteiny tissue, and increases the glucose. Which is helpful potentially, if it’s only a temporary measure.

HD: So, it’s like a stress reaction: the body tries to save the lack of sugar in a diabetic’s pancreas by increasing the amount of glucagon, to raise the blood sugar?

RP: Yeah. And if you have a lot of sugar supplied, you don’t need the glucagon-producing cells. So they move on, under the influence of sugar, the flow is increased, and you produce the beta cells. And the sugar should be holding down the stress, and preventing the free fatty acids, which would form the prostaglandins that would kill the beta cells.

HD: This is why you’ve mentioned that study made in England, where in the early treatment of diabetes, they actually gave the diabetics sugar, because they noticed that they were losing so much sugar in their urine, and they actually improved.

RP: Something like 12 ounces a day, they said, of the highest quality of white sugar.

HD: Yeah. They started picking up weight. Because it lowered the stress and allowed their beta cells to fully develop.

RP: Within just a few days, they stopped producing so much sugar in their urine, as they were eating these huge amounts of sugar. And, as they stop destroying their own tissues, they began gaining weight, instead of losing weight.

HD: Ok. Let’s move on to our next topic: the concept of cell streaming, and stem cells. There are different stem cells doctrines: the Hayflick doctrine, in the sixties, saying basically there were no stem cells, the Gershom Zajicek’ streaming organism hypothesis (and proponent of kabalistic meditative methods of overcoming cancer), and you, saying that ultimately, any cell can become a stem or progenitor cell ?

RP: Yeah. That’s easiest to see probably in the liver. Zajicek has demonstrated that there is a flowing from the portal vein side of the lobule in the liver, moving the cells towards the vein, in the center of the lobule. But more than 50 years ago, L.V. Polezhaev was demonstrating that kind of renewal in muscle cells, and even brain cells, showing that even mature neurons, given the right kind of stimulation, can undergo mitosis and become new cells. One of the current places where this is important is the idea of adrenal fatigue that a lot of people are talking about. It ultimately derives from the idea of Addison’s disease, and a misinterpretation of Hans Selye’s stress research, in which he showed that very intense stress would cause the adrenal glands to enlarge, and even bleed, and then die. Then the animal would die. But if the stress is moderate, the adrenal is very good at renewing itself: you can demonstrate the total renewal of the adrenal cortex by scooping out the contents, everything that’s inside the capsule of the adrenal gland can be scooped out. And the cells of the inside of the capsule, the fibrous capsule, there’s a layer of cells that will multiply. And, they will, within about 3 months, produce fully structured, brand new adrenal glands. So, it’s the same idea as the pancreas renewing itself, if you give it a chance. And the same logic that you can see in the feedback systems of sugar and glucagon, and the shift to insulin in proportion to the available sugar: in the adrenal gland, the cells that are near the capsule are the cells that produce aldosterone, or the other class of mineral-regulating steroids. As they mature and stream towards the center, they turn into another layer that produces cortisol and the glucocorticoids. And then, at the last stage, they produce the androgens and sex steroids.

HD: Its amazing how one cell knows how to differentiate into all those different types of cells producing all these hormones.

RP: And it happens that the things that are most stress-producing, like serotonin for example, or shock, will turn on the activity of the glomerulosa layer, that produces the aldosterone. And aldosterone intensifies some of these defensive stress reactions. And the people are now starting to speak of it as an endogenous toxin, as it activates so many of these stress reactions. But serotonin is a major factor in turning it on. But it’s the first thing produced. And as the organism starts surviving, if it can get past that shock stage, with adequate sugar, then the glucocorticoids are produced, and finally, the sex steroids, which aren’t needed if you’re going to be in shock, and starting the death, and so on.

HD: They are the least important in the emergency mode, but the most important in the healthy mode.

RP: Yeah.

HD: So this is why optimal nutrition is so important for our cells to function normally and healthily, and regenerate.

RP: Yeah. And, when you are in this healthy state, producing an abundance of progesterone and testosterone, for example, these turn off the aldosterone production. So once you achieve the mature happy state, then even though your cells are still there, and they are still streaming, their function is inhibited, the same way that sugar inhibits the function of the glucagon producing cells.

HD: In Africa, honey has traditionally been used very effectively to heal wounds in the absence of other anti infective measures; you’ve also mentioned that sugar can be packed into a large wound if you don’t have antibiotics, with a very good chance of healing it properly.

RP: Yeah. In Africa, when there was no antibiotic available, and they had to do chest surgery, they simply filled up the chest hole with massive amounts of sugar. And they discovered that it not only didn’t get infected, but it healed basically without scarring. And in the newsletter on diabetes, I’ve mentioned some of the references where they find that packing a wound with sugar inhibits the formation of excess collagen, and causes an almost scarless healing.

HD: Well, honey never goes bad, right ?

RP: Yeah. Partially, it’s the osmolarity: it dehydrates things. But it also has the antiseptic ingredients that white sugar doesn’t have. And it has the fructose, which promotes actual healing, instead of scar formation.

HD: Also, there’s the fact that the energy supply is present to drive the cellular repair.

RP: Yeah. Keeping the energy supply equal to the demand is what short circuits the inflammation system: it goes right through repair, like the fetus.

HD: Ok. Let’s move on to another subject you’ve talked about in the past: the similarities between toxemia and pre-eclampsia. They have similar effects to what one be expecting to see in aging and fibrotic inflammatory conditions, as well as atrophy in general.

RP: Yes. Just about everything that happens to a woman in pre-eclampsia, and to the fetus, is similar to what is happening to advanced aging symptoms. Loss of functional tissue, all kinds of circulatory problems, hypertension, nerve problems, liver malfunction, inflammatory processes everywhere. And in the 1950’s, Dr. Tom Brewer was shocked when he saw the drug companies promoting the sale of diuretics to pregnant women to prevent edema. And, at the same time, doctors began advocating salt restriction, besides the use of diuretics and diet restriction, supposedly to prevent toxemia, because toxemia involves swelling and edema. So the drug companies said: “Here’s a diuretic to get water out of the body”. The mechanisms by which it gets water out reduces the blood volume. And that tells the kidneys that you need more circulation, more blood. And the kidneys signal with rennin to activate the adrenals, for example, to produce more aldosterone, to try to increase the blood volume, to save sodium. So, if you cut down sodium, you make the adrenals produce more aldosterone to retain it. So, Tom Brewer reviewed the evidence already in the 1950’s. He had a good collection of scientific studies showing that more salt was the cure to toxemia. Protein was the thing mostly emphasized. But protein and plenty of salt, and calcium. So, milk was the ideal protein, because drinking two quarts of milk, you get more than 2000mg of calcium. And the calcium is one of the things that helps to turn off aldosterone. And the sodium is very powerful at turning off the aldosterone. And the aldosterone is one of the immediate villains in producing many of the symptoms, such as leakiness of blood vessels (lets the water fall out of your blood, cause your feet and <inaudible> such to swell up). So, just drinking more water just causes more edema.

HD: And that’s still a common recommendation doctors give to pregnant mothers. They say: “You need to increase your fluid intake”, and they don’t mean orange juice or milk, or other nutritious liquids: they mean water.

RP: Yeah. The medical profession has pretty much quietly forgotten about the salt restriction and diuretic episode, because it probably would be considered a crime against humanity. It would lead to replacing medicine with chiropractics, or something. Now, they’re still doing silly things like advocating drinking more water.

HD: Ok. Calcium is yet another part of many different common medical misconceptions, like salt restriction (actually causes edema), diuretics (are self-defeating in terms of how they work physiologically), or sugar (so maligned yet is so important in reality). When you have a low calcium diet (no milk, cheese, too little greens) your blood calcium actually gets bigger. And that calcium is actually damaging to soft tissues.

RP: Yeah. David McCarron, about 30-some years ago, worked at a California university, and he noticed that, according to the government’s own figures, the people who had the highest blood pressure ate the least salt. And people who ate the most salt had lowest blood pressure. So, he said there’s something wrong with the scientists restricting salt. And so he looked at the figures and saw that calcium was really the main thing affecting blood pressure. He got fired from that University and moved to Portland. And had, I guess, about 30 years working at the University in Portland, continuing to do research. So there are many papers by McCurran showing that it’s really a calcium deficiency, rather than a sodium excess that causes high blood pressure.

HD: Calcium is another thing that will lower the stress hormones, and that helps lower the blood pressure.

RP: Yeah. Parathyroid hormone is what you can see most easily coming down when you eat more calcium, and have adequate vitamin D. And parathyroid hormone increases aldosterone, and so you restrict calcium, your parathyroid hormone goes up. That makes your aldosterone stress hormone go up. That makes you increase your blood pressure and retain sodium.

HD: Ok. So, when you don’t take adequate calcium, your blood calcium goes up, and calcium gets deposited in the soft tissues. This is also part of the reason why the cardiovascular disease happens in the first place, because of the insult of the calcium being taken up in the arterial cells, and then these arteries becoming less flexible.

RP: Yeah. The parathyroid hormone takes calcium out of your bones, and moves it into all the soft tissues (kidneys and arteries) where it causes blood pressure to rise, and the arteries to become stiff.

HD: So a calcium deficient diet leads to hardened arteries and high blood pressure. OK: we have some callers.

Caller: So many doctors seem to think salt is the worst thing in the world, and especially if you have high blood pressure. I’m a bit overweight, and my blood pressure is high, and I take some medication that controls it. I don’t have side-effects from it. But I’ve always liked salt, and often have a craving for it. I’ve had atrial fibrillation recently, which was related to an over active thyroid, and I’m taking medication for that. The cardiologist said I should practically cut out salt, because he thought it should help me lose weight and bring my blood pressure down, and that the blood pressure could aggravate the atrial fibrillation. I haven’t had any atrial fibrillation attacks since I’ve been treated for the thyroid. But I wonder about the salt thing: medication seems to control my blood pressure. Is there any advantage in cutting back on my salt intake?

RP: The hypothyroidism causes you to lose sodium, and it’s probably the main cause of people having high aldosterone. And once you have high aldosterone, because of low thyroid, or low calcium…

Caller: I have hyperthyroid; I had an overactive thyroid, and have been getting it under control.

RP: That’s often a diagnosis. But it’s often doubtful how factual the diagnosis is. Because stress will cause your TSH to give an indication of hyperthyroidism. And the high stress hormones can give you many of the symptoms of hypothyroidism. But those can be very often be cured by a supplement of thyroid.

Caller: I’m actually taking thyroid now, to balance me out. I have the radio iodine treatment to shrink my thyroid, so now, it’s down, its producing less than it should be. And I’m just about at the end of the shrinkage: now they got me on 88mcg of thyroid, to balance it out, so I don’t produce less. Because producing more can be really dangerous too.

RP: Increased blood viscosity is a major thing causing the rhythm problems, atrial fibrillation.

CALLER: They got me on a blood thinner and a heart regulator.

RP: Thyroid, by making you able to regulate your minerals, thins the blood, and makes it easier for your heart to pump the blood, by lowering viscosity, and regulating the minerals, to maintain the right volume of blood, at the right viscosity. So, investigating your thyroid function in more detail, you might not need the blood thinner, because thyroid is probably the basic thing that keeps the blood viscosity low. And hypothyroidism is extremely common as the cause of hypertension. And that involves increased aldosterone. And that will create the appearance of so-called salt sensitivity. A calcium deficiency and low thyroid function make you actually sensitive to salt, so that you can raise your blood pressure by taking salt.

Caller: Well, now I’m getting my thyroid down, to where it was supposed to be. Can I have a normal amount of salt without worrying about it ?

RP: If your calcium intake is well over a 1000mg per day, and your vitamin D is good, then there’s very little likelihood that you will be one of these salt sensitivity people.

HD: Ok. We have two more callers.

Caller: My question is about Dr. Peat’s newsletter on “ Tissue-bound estrogen and aging”: he mentions that menopausal women often get high estrogen concentration in their tissue, as opposed to their blood. Could they get a dose of progesterone to knock it out of their tissue into their blood, and then get a phlebotomy ? Would that help to decrease systemic estrogen ?

RP: No. If the liver is working, and if you’re eating enough protein, and if your thyroid is ok, your liver will send the estrogen straight to your kidneys, to be excreted, as soon as the progesterone gets it out of your cells into the bloodstream.
And there are several enzyme systems involved in this: the progesterone basically destroys the estrogen receptor that binds estrogen. It destroys the enzyme that releases estrogen from the glucuronic form deposited in cells. It activates the enzymes that add the glucuronic acid to remove it from cells. And it shifts the oxidative enzymes, so that they destroy the active form of estrogen. So, everything progesterone does to estrogen system, gets it out of the cells, then your liver will send it to your kidneys to excrete.

HD: And progesterone helps the liver to get rid of excess estrogen as well.

RP: Yeah. Progesterone activates the thyroid to do that.

Caller: So, the body will take care of it naturally, without having to take the blood out ?

RP: Yeah. Basically, thyroid and protein nutrition are the things that shift the balance.

Caller: Ok. Thanks a lot.

HD: One more caller.

Caller: Hi. There’s many stories about acidic diets causing the body to release calcium out of the bones and teeths in order to save the arterial walls to be destroyed ultimately from all the acidity, and this is why we have so much osteoporosis. I was told that it wasn’t necessary to take calcium supplements if you’re eating a balanced alkaline diet.

RP: One of the problems with calcium supplements is that some of the co-factors are very bad, like calcium phosphate. Some of the supplements have so much phosphate, that it’s the phosphate that increases the stress hormones and activates the breakdown of bones. But, the main things that take calcium out of the bones, besides an excess of phosphate, are cortisol, prolactine, and serotonin.

HD: And those < inaudible > repair of thyroid hormone.

RP: Yeah. And other stress hormones.

HD: So in terms of the caller’s question about the acidic diet, do you think that has a direct effect on calcium mobilization from the bones into the blood ?

RP: Well, phosphate is the main acidifying thing in the diet. It mostly comes from beans, whole grains and seeds and nuts, and meat.

HD: Sounds like a vegetarian diet <chuckle>.
So that’s why the generalization is that the American diet is very acidic, because meat is very acidic, whereas dairy products are actually…milk is very neutral, if anything, it’s a little bit alkaline, because of the high calcium. And it’s actually calcium deficiency that will cause so much calcium to leech out of the bones, and then deposit in the places you don’t want it (like your kidneys and your arteries).
Ok. Dr Peat, thanks so much for your time, again.

RP: Ok. Thank you.​
 

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