Can't Get Attracted To People Anymore

[lampofred]

Dang, didn't expect this many responses...

I think empathy to those "less fortunate" and stable blood sugar to optimistically strive towards something elevated are the answers, but Im not sure.

This is going to sound pretty stupid, but I'm starting think the purpose of life is to keep your blood sugar as high and stable as possible and to help as many people as you can to keep their blood sugars as high and stable as possible.

 

[TripleOG]

Thread screams depression.

Adopt some dopaminergic strategies, log off the internet, and go experience life instead of hoping/praying an optimal diet will bring you an ideal social life.

 

[ShotTrue]

Dang, didn't expect this many responses...



This is going to sound pretty stupid, but I'm starting think the purpose of life is to keep your blood sugar as high and stable as possible and to help as many people as you can to keep their blood sugars as high and stable as possible.

That's nonsensical. An organism could still evolve regardless of optimal blood sugar, and you're really looking as a ver very very small aspect of life.
Fix your depression/anxiety, or your social life, whatever and take a good horny goat weed for 2 months while being social I promise you this thread will feel like a thing of the past

 

[Runenight201]

Dang, didn't expect this many responses...



This is going to sound pretty stupid, but I'm starting think the purpose of life is to keep your blood sugar as high and stable as possible and to help as many people as you can to keep their blood sugars as high and stable as possible.

Purpose is self-defined, and what it is centered around is irrelevant as long as one lives with some sense of purpose. From an universal objective perspective there are probably better or worse ways for an individual to define their purpose, but from an individual perspective having a purpose is ultimately the most important to prevent all sorts of negative mind sets such as ,depression, apathy, anxiety, etc...

How I see it is we live in a deterministic universe, but I damn well will delude myself into thinking I have free will and that the I is in control of things. I am a mere product of my environment and diet, but at the same time, there is some rational aspect of me that gets to choose the food I put into myself and the environment I subject myself too. I feel like I think my own thoughts, dream my own dreams, and actualize my own potential, and that is extremely powerful and rewarding. I think it’s best sometimes to not look at what’s true but what best works to produce a good life, and in my opinion adhering to a free will deistic frame work best produces a good life, so I willingly ditch the atheistic deterministic (not that these are inherently tied to each other) framework for one that makes my life better.

Food, relationships, spirituality, movement, laughter, sex, music, art, creation, meaningful work, freedom, these all create a good life, and should be the focal point of development for every individual in my opinion

 

[TheBeard]

Because he's probably not healthy right now. This sounds like me with too low estrogen, not being able to bond with people or take pleasure in anything

What has your action plan been to increase estrogens?

 

[TheBeard]

Because it is only is so when I'm healthy, which I haven't returned back to yet, but I know it'll be me again when I do. It makes perfect sense, because mental health is directly connected to physical health, and mental health is impossible to restore without restoring the physical health.

You indeed do not have to chase it, that is to say, once physical health is restored, mental health also automatically is restored.

I get it, it's hard to imagine a healthy mental state if you never have had it. I myself never thought having a healthy mind was possible. I never knew what a healthy mind felt like until age 30 (and I'm 32 now) so for most of my life, I thought just having negative thoughts was just how it is... But it's not.

Same exact experience here.

I have been the healthiest and the unhealthiest in a 2 years span.

When you are at the top of your health, interaction with others just flow effortlessly, I would go from date to date and be the funniest person they ever met and the best sex they ever had.
I could go with 5 hours of sleep a night and date again the next day.


What made you spiral down?

For me it was a couple food poisonings + antibiotics courses that I thought would solve the food poisoning.

 

[ShotTrue]

What has your action plan been to increase estrogens?

I've tried Black Seed oil, red clover, natto, soymilk
Honestly I think if your estrogen is real low it might be better to use test or dbol, along with hcg to prevent suppression
DBOL would raise your natty estro real quick, most phytoestrogens I'm not so sure are that effective or lowers test

 

[tankasnowgod]

Because he's probably not healthy right now. This sounds like me with too low estrogen, not being able to bond with people or take pleasure in anything

Wow, worrying about estrogen being too low, and completely unconcerned about a TSH of 10 in the same thread? Maybe recommend some SSRIs and raising cortisol and prolactin levels while you're at it.

 

[ShotTrue]

Wow, worrying about estrogen being too low, and completely unconcerned about a TSH of 10 in the same thread? Maybe recommend some SSRIs and raising cortisol and prolactin levels while you're at it.

Low estrogen was and is a million times worse than TSH of 10. You don't know what you're talking about

 

[tankasnowgod]

Low estrogen was and is a million times worse than TSH of 10. You don't know what you're talking about

I'd like someone who goes on about "low estrogen" to show that it's ever a problem, especially in males. The best anyone has ever dose is show that some AI's have bad side effects, which isn't the same thing at all. You don't know what you're talking about. Or maybe your just on the wrong forum.

 

[ShotTrue]

I'd like someone who goes on about "low estrogen" to show that it's ever a problem, especially in males. The best anyone has ever dose is show that some AI's have bad side effects, which isn't the same thing at all. You don't know what you're talking about. Or maybe your just on the wrong forum.

So is your estrogen in single digits? What's your estrogen right now?
I used exemstane and had plenty of health issues, can you prove exemstane does anything besides lower the aromatase enzyme?
Do you realize the aromatase deficiency disorder is a fatal disease?

I can explain you to all the hellish symptoms taking things that lowered my estrogen too much did, but you'll just cop out and say "it's effects of AI's that I can't explain or prove exist so it can't be low estrogen!"

 

[tankasnowgod]

So is your estrogen in single digits? What's your estrogen right now?
I used exemstane and had plenty of health issues, can you prove exemstane does anything besides lower the aromatase enzyme?
Do you realize the aromatase deficiency disorder is a fatal disease?

I can explain you to all the hellish symptoms taking things that lowered my estrogen too much did, but you'll just cop out and say "it's effects of AI's that I can't explain or prove exist so it can't be low estrogen!"

So right off, in an effort to prove that it isn't potential issues with AIs, you go straight to an AI.... okay.

What was the dose of exemestane that you were using?

 

[ShotTrue]

So right off, in an effort to prove that it isn't potential issues with AIs, you go straight to an AI.... okay.

What was the dose of exemestane that you were using?

I didn't use just AI's. I've also used androsterone, DHT cream, methylene blue, Vitamin D, VItamin K that caused me issues as well
You didn't answer my question. Show me a single healthy male on this forum with sub 15, or better yet single digit estrogen

 

[ShotTrue]

The only other explanation is that all the effects are low progesterone, which as an open minded person I could conceive in theory.
However then I don't know why the body has the aromatase enzyme. If all the problems are low progesterone then what I'm talking about in regards to OP could be low prog, since most things that low estrogen also low progesterone

 

[ShotTrue]

Btw @tankasnowgod if my TSH is 9 but my T4/T3 hormones are in range, what do you recommend?
Is it a thyroid problem at that point if my thyroid is functioning?
I was planning on fixing that issue later but since you are saying the TSH is an issue maybe you know
this isn't sarcasm, I'm actually looking for an answer if you have it

 

[Cirion]

What made you spiral down?

For me it was a couple food poisonings + antibiotics courses that I thought would solve the food poisoning.

The first time? Many dietary mistakes and dating a crazy person (Bipolar). Second time? Caloric restriction. Those who have seen my posts on this forum know I am extremely anti-caloric restriction, and this is a huge reason why (Not to mention how I know I've felt on past calorie restricted diets). Never again.

 

[tankasnowgod]

Btw @tankasnowgod if my TSH is 9 but my T4/T3 hormones are in range, what do you recommend?
Is it a thyroid problem at that point if my thyroid is functioning?
I was planning on fixing that issue later but since you are saying the TSH is an issue maybe you know

Peat has talked about how TSH is a stress hormone in itself, and that high levels of TSH are a problem, even in otherwise "euthyroid" patients (although I would think any endo these days would see a TSH that high and immediately consider you hypo). He has criticized T4 only therapy, but does note that it suppresses TSH, and this action alone is beneficial. Thyroid supplementation of pretty much any kind(either NDT or Synthetic T4 only, T4/T3, maybe even T3 only) usually lowers TSH, with something like a pituitary tumor or high dose iodine supplementation being the main exceptions. If I recall, Peat said in a recent interview that elevated TSH is likely the main cause of heart disease in hypo patients.

If you have any other hypo symptoms, or a low waking temp, some sort of thyroid supplementation would likely be beneficial.

 

[ecstatichamster]

this is caused by porn, sexual triggers and masturbation in today's world. Honestly that is how I see it. I've worked with many young men who have totally recovered from this. It isn't easy but it fixes everything.

 

[ShotTrue]

Peat has talked about how TSH is a stress hormone in itself, and that high levels of TSH are a problem, even in otherwise "euthyroid" patients (although I would think any endo these days would see a TSH that high and immediately consider you hypo). He has criticized T4 only therapy, but does note that it suppresses TSH, and this action alone is beneficial. Thyroid supplementation of pretty much any kind(either NDT or Synthetic T4 only, T4/T3, maybe even T3 only) usually lowers TSH, with something like a pituitary tumor or high dose iodine supplementation being the main exceptions. If I recall, Peat said in a recent interview that elevated TSH is likely the main cause of heart disease in hypo patients.

If you have any other hypo symptoms, or a low waking temp, some sort of thyroid supplementation would likely be beneficial.

Thanks for answering.
In regards to treatment of it, I seem to get elevated estrogen and fat, tired, and hairloss from T4 only. My doctor mentioned several of her female patients had male pattern balding from T4, and a spoke to a few people online with that issue. In this regard I'm wary of any thyroid supplement.
I think I also read that T3 is suppressive of your natural thyroid hormones, which concerns me to the effect of suppressing T1,T2, T4, and calcitonin.

That is cause for alarm. I'll have to fix the elevated TSH. My natural IGF is around 350, which my doctors think could be related to a tumor, though it's not excessively high imo.

 

[lampofred]

this is caused by porn, sexual triggers and masturbation in today's world. Honestly that is how I see it. I've worked with many young men who have totally recovered from this. It isn't easy but it fixes everything.

I haven't watched porn or masturbated in several months. I do think porn is bad and I do regret having watched it in the past, but I don't think porn use can explain as many issues as you seem to think it does.

Plus this isn't a resentful "I'm sick of the world" anhedonia, it's more of "no one is actually responsible for their good/bad traits so it's foolish to think some people are better than others and get attached to them"