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I had an interesting experience recently.

March 15th woke up with lower abdominal discomfort and pain. Went out to help a friend when I felt light headed, anxiety, and the urge of a bowel movement. After I had a bit of a panic attack.

March 16th felt the same abdominal discomfort, light headedness, and increased bowel movements that smelt really bad. Forgot about the camphoric acid I have and took 12 drops. One hour later all abdominal discomfort was gone, my mind was clear, and felt normal again.

Great stuff!!
 

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Are cold symptoms related to endotoxins... I had a little bit of cold symptoms this morning.. but I also had a bloated/cramp feeling so I took Camphosal (which has been helping ) but then my cold symptoms disappeared.. what could explain that or is it just coincidence?
 

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I had an interesting experience recently.

March 15th woke up with lower abdominal discomfort and pain. Went out to help a friend when I felt light headed, anxiety, and the urge of a bowel movement. After I had a bit of a panic attack.

March 16th felt the same abdominal discomfort, light headedness, and increased bowel movements that smelt really bad. Forgot about the camphoric acid I have and took 12 drops. One hour later all abdominal discomfort was gone, my mind was clear, and felt normal again.

Great stuff!!

do you think anxiety and nervousness can be related to gut bacteria ?
 

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Has use of CamphoSal aided with anyone's anxiety? I am wondering if it has any effect because if serotonin causes anxiety, and 95% of serotonin is produced by the endotoxin irritating the gut, and that endotoxin being cleared decreases the production of serotonin, then it should help with decreasing anxiety.

i am fascinated to know this too

this may work better than things like lisuride, cypro which only cover up the symptoms of high serotonin. but the cause if the bacteria/food rotting away in the intestine giving off endotoxin/serotonin
 

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As many readers know, Peat has written extensively on the benefits of antibiotics and on keeping the GI tract as free of bacteria as possible. Bacterial overgrowth in the colon alone is already a problem due to the production of endotoxin, but in hypothyroid people this bacterial overgrowth can extend into the small intestine. The latter condition is commonly referred to as SIBO, and it can lead to malabsorption, inflammation, bacterial translocation to liver / pancreas / gallbladder / spleen / heart / etc. As I posted in several other threads, the chronic inflammation and translocation can lead to a host of severe health issues including "autoimmune" conditions, diabetes, obesity, and even (liver/pancreatic) cancer(s).
Gut Bacteria May Cause ALL Autoimmune Conditions; Antibiotics Can Cure
All Gut Bacteria Dangerous, Its Endotoxin Drives Liver Cancer; Antibiotics Cure
Pancreatic Cancer Driven By Bacteria/endotoxin; Antibiotics Can Prevent/treat
Gut Bacteria Overgrowth, Regardless Of Type, Causes Obesity

One of the approaches to keeping the GI tract as bacteria-free as possible is by using antibiotics. However, for most people those are not an easy option as they require prescription and some of them have severe side effects. Fortunately, there are some dietary methods that may provide similar benefits. Those methods including substances such as charcoal, fiber, anti-serotonin chemicals, aspirin, etc. Of these, aspirin has a very long history of usage as a disinfectant, including in the GI tract. However, the problem with regular aspirin (and its metabolite salicylic acid) is that it gets quickly metabolized and absorbed in the stomach before it has a chance to exert its anti-bacterial effects. It may have some effects in the upper portion of the small intestine but likely does not remain intact long enough to affect the colon. Cognizant of both the potential and limitations of regular aspirin, doctors as far as back as late 19th century came up with a modified version of salicylic acid. The molecule is rather simple and is just an ester of salicylic acid with phenol. The commonly used name of this chemical was Salol - i.e. a combination of (sal)icylic acid and phen(ol).
Phenyl salicylate - Wikipedia
"...It has been used as an antiseptic[5] based on the antibacterial activity upon hydrolysis in the small/large intestine.[citation needed]. It acts as a mild analgesic.[6]"

This simple esterification allows salicylic acid to survive more or less intact until it reaches the small intestine and colon where it is metabolized by the microbiome and broken down into phenol and salicylic acid. As it turns out, the phenol portion is at least as potent an antibacterial as salicylic acid and possibly even stronger. This spurred the development of a special synthetic version of phenol called Dimol, which was shown to be remarkably beneficial in rheumatoid arthritis (RA). The benefits for RA were demonstrated to be due precisely to Dimol's effects on reducing bacterial overgrowth and thus endotoxin levels.
Simple Intestinal Antiseptic As A Cure For Rheumatoid Arthritis (RA)

Around the same time Salol was becoming popular, another common remedy used as intestinal disinfectant was camphoric acid.
Camphoric acid - Wikipedia
This is the dicarboxylic acid version of camphor, but unlike camphor is has no smell and its taste is tart/bitter similar to a combination of lemon and quinine. This allowed for the chemical to be orally administered and it was successfully used both as an intestinal disinfectant as well as for treating fevers due to various infectious diseases such as tuberculosis.
Thus, we decided to release a combination of these two chemicals as a product for intestinal disinfection, and we called it CamphoSal - a combination of (Campho)ric acid and (Sal)ol. Below are some references related to the usage of both camphoric acid and salol as intestinal disinfectants, including comments from Peat on his usage of camphoric acid. It was his comments on the dosage (100mg-200mg daily) he used that influenced how much we formulated per single dose of our product.

Ray Peat Email Exchanges - Ray Peat Forum Wiki
"...[Tongue, teeth, gum problems] There are some strong nervous and circulatory interactions between the intestine and the mouth, affecting surfaces and periodontal health, tooth sensitivity, etc. I knew a dentist who stopped doing periodontal surgery when he found that his patients were more easily cured with a laxative. Camphoric acid has been used as an intestinal disinfectant to remedy problems such as coated or sore tongue or bad breath. The tetracyclines have similar effects. Vitamins D and K are important."

Flowers Of Sulfur Aka Brimstone Logs
"...Local bacteria are usually involved in the white tongue, but typically the problem is mainly in the intestine. I have experimented with the old-fashioned "intestinal disinfectant" camphoric acid (it used to be a common pharmaceutical, 80 to 100 years ago), and when I would swallow about 100 to 200 mg of it in the evening, I would wake up with a perfectly clean tongue, not a bit of the white. Bamboo shoots, raw carrot, and flowers of sulfur are other antiseptics that can reduce the white tongue."

https://books.google.com/books?id=QlrpT0fq8i8C&pg=PA91&lpg=PA91&dq=camphoric+acid+intestinal+disinfectant&source=bl&ots=1Ayto4fkhs&sig=ACfU3U00l2Mc32YyRib2SIoYkXMNcHWjog&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiVzYub8K3lAhVSh-AKHU-pCgwQ6AEwBnoECAcQAQ#v=onepage&q=camphoric acid intestinal disinfectant&f=false
https://books.google.com/books?id=jv6t-3RBpbEC&pg=PA333&lpg=PA333&dq=camphoric+acid+intestinal+disinfectant&source=bl&ots=vsJ0YVAR_Y&sig=ACfU3U2qRi-L5F_h_ewTNXg1f0w27JKCHg&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiVzYub8K3lAhVSh-AKHU-pCgwQ6AEwBXoECAoQAQ#v=onepage&q=camphoric acid intestinal disinfectant&f=false
https://books.google.com/books?id=5DZYAAAAMAAJ&pg=PA661&lpg=PA661&dq=camphoric+acid+intestinal+disinfectant&source=bl&ots=t11sHhs_os&sig=ACfU3U19X4dnAyF5sosnSYKtmPSsFdgPIw&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiVzYub8K3lAhVSh-AKHU-pCgwQ6AEwAXoECAMQAQ#v=onepage&q=camphoric acid intestinal disinfectant&f=false
"...Camphoric acid is now an official drug duly recognized by the new pharmacopeia. The advisers acted wisely in accepting this drug as one of the additions for official recognition. Its place in therapeutics is firmly established. It has many used in medicine, but it is especially prominent as a remedial agent in combating the night-sweats of consumptives. The claim can safely be made that the use of no other remedy is followed by results so beneficial as follows the administration of camphoric acid in controlling the profuse night sweats of pulmonary tuberculosis. The controlling influence is also exerted in sweating from other causes. Locally, its action is that of a mild antiseptic. In one percent solution it is useful in the treatment of pharyngitis and laryngitis; in the same strength solution it has been used with benefit as a bladder irrigation in the treatment of chronic cystitis. Internally administered, camphoric acid gives good results as an intestinal disinfectant, proving beneficial in the treatment of diarrhea resulting from intestinal fermentation."


Salol in the Treatment of Diarrhea, Dysentery and Intestinal Inflammation
https://salol.askdefine.com/
"...Phenyl salicylate, or salol, is a chemical substance, introduced in 1886 by Marceli Nencki of Basel. It can be created by heating salicylic acid with phenol. It has been used as an intestinal antiseptic based on the antibacterial activity upon hydrolysis in the small intestine. Once used in sunscreens, phenyl salicylate is now used in the manufacture of some polymers, lacquers, adhesives, waxes and polishes.. Salicylamides are a type of drug."

Salol. - A DICTIONARY OF PRACTICAL MATERIA MEDICA By John Henry CLARKE, M.D. Presented by Médi-T ®
"...Salol was primarily used as an anti-rheumatic, especially in the treatment of acute cases. It was given as an antipyretic, in 30 to 45 grain doses, in powders or tablets. It is soluble in ether and petroleum spirit; very sparingly, if at all, in water. It does not disturb digestion because it passes through the stomach unaltered, being decomposed in the duodenum, by the ferments of the pancreas, into Salicylic acid and Phenol (it contains 38 per cent. of Phenol). These are excreted by the kidneys, and the condition of intestinal digestion has been estimated by the length of time required, after the ingestion of Salol, for them to appear in the urine. Upon this property also has been based the use of the remedy in acute diarrhœa, dysentery, cholera, and other diseases where intestinal asepsis is indicated, and also in affections of the bladder and urethra as a substitute for ordinary mechanical irrigations and injections. Its internal use in gonorrhœa (in 5-gr. doses three times a day) has met with much success (Helbing)."

Salol in the Gastro-Intestinal Derangements of Children. - PubMed - NCBI
"...Salol is an easily administered, safe drug in the first stage of acute gastroenteritis in children, and in the more chronic forms of entrorcolitis, accompanied by slimy, bad-smelling evacuations. In the acute condition, it is necessary to keep the stomach at rest and administer two or three doses of salol within five or six hours. For the more chronic state of catarrh it is best given in somewhat larger doses belore meals. In frequent serious discharges, and in colitis, the salol does not produce the same good results as in the cases mentioned above, and its effect is uncertain, not being so rapid or so sure as an opiate. In dysenteric disorders it cannot be relied on. It seems, then, that salol acts best in morbid conditions, due to fermentation and decomposition in the stomach and upper bowel, and that it diminishes in power as it passess through the large intestine."

Disclaimer: The fact that this post and product description contain quotes from Ray Peat does not mean he endorses/approves of this product. His opinions on a chemical may change when new evidence becomes available in the future, so future inquiries about a chemical, solvent, ingredients, etc contained in this product may elicit a different response than his quotes included in this post. Please seek his opinion independently on any chemical, solvent, ingredient, etc that you may have concerns/questions about.

The units listed on the label are just for measurement purposes. They do not indicate or suggest optimal dose. The product can be ordered from the link below:
IdeaLabs Online Store - Cosmetic Raw Ingredients

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CamphoSal is a liquid product containing a combination of camphoric acid and phenyl salicylate (Salol). Both of these ingredients were widely used clinically in the late 19th and early 20th century as intestinal antiseptics / disinfectants when antibiotics were not widely available and barely known. There is some evidence that both may have beneficial effect beyond modulating the intestinal microbiome (e.g. gonorrhea), however there is no recent research in that area, and as such no definitive statements can be made.

Serving size: 25 drops
Servings per container: about 30
Each serving contains the following ingredients:

Camphoric Acid, FG: 200mg
Salol (phenyl salicylate), FG: 100mg

Other ingredients: add product to shopping cart to see info
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you have missed out some incredibly important studies showing gut bacteria cause lactic acid, serotonin and histamine
 

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do you think anxiety and nervousness can be related to gut bacteria ?

I think it depends on the amount of nervousness and anxiety and also the perception of them, if you are getting that gut feeling when nervous then it could potentially cause irritation to the gut. That irritation could cause endotoxin symptoms. Hans Selye book on "The Stress of Life" explains very well how any stress can cause ulcers.
 

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I think it depends on the amount of nervousness and anxiety and also the perception of them, if you are getting that gut feeling when nervous then it could potentially cause irritation to the gut. That irritation could cause endotoxin symptoms. Hans Selye book on "The Stress of Life" explains very well how any stress can cause ulcers.

that's interesting

I also found this

That gut feeling
 

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I want to try Rifaxmin and Camphosal together for a SIBO/GI distress protocol. Has anyone tried the two together with any success? Thanks very much!
 

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i'm 5 days in so far on my experiment with camphorsal! i started with 10 doses then 15, 20 and now 25 a day. first couple days i could feel the after affect in my stomach as it traveled down my intestines. i had some minor endotoxin symptoms but not any worse than other supplements i've taken. by the 5th day i don't feel the effects immediately after. however, i have noticed a better sense of smell, better focus, and higher energy levels during the day.

i've dealt with and have confirmed i have an overgrowth of bacteria in my gut and have tried many, many supplements to alleviate the endotoxin and energy issues that have arisen due to prior antibiotic use.

so far so good!
 

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I think they are very different in terms of physiological effects even though both have anti-bacterial effects. Unlike camphor, the camphoric acid does not seem to have effects on heart rate or blood pressure, while camphor does and this is why it is used as cardiac stimulant drug in some countries. Google "Europe camphor heart drug" for more info (no quotes when you search).
CamphoSal Experience Report

Replicated multiple times: CamphoSal, 25 drops orally, raises my blood pressure by about 20mmHg systolic, 10mmHg diastolic, resolving within 24 hours.

Perhaps this will be useful to someone.
 
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So i take quite a few supplements at once and it makes it hard for me to pinpoint. BUT WOW I'm fairly confident that camphosol has a profound effect on my body.

I have had brain fog for years and have found it is related to my stomach for the most part as well as histamine. Well took camphosol and not only did it make my stomach super relaxed and feel amazing but also got my brain to finally switch off the inflammation to some degree. I can't believe it. I've struggled for a long time with these issues. My sleep was super deep and restful. Im talking I usually sleep 10 hours a day and wake up fatigued. Today I woke up after 6.5 hours and feel so much better slept.

Felt calmer and my anxiety disappear also.

I will report back but im kind of shocked, I figured id try this and but felt hopeless before trying it.
 

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