Calcium-Phosphorus Ratio In Animal Protein Sources: What To Choose?

[Greg]

Ray Peat has emphasised the importance of calcium-phosphorus ratio for our metabolism and overall welfare. And indeed, when one looks at standard diet, one sees too much phosphorus.
But suppose one does not want to supplement calcium but only eat natural food sources. Doesn't it leave only milk as having a good ratio? If one eats lots of meat there will be major imbalance. Probably the best animal protein sources should be milk and gelatine, right? The problem for me is that milk doesn't give me any satiation as it is a liquid. What about replacing meat with quark or cottage cheese? They have more phosphorus than calcium, but at least they have a sizeable amount of calcium as of opposed to meat which has very little. Would that be an option? Or should one rather supplement calcium? Would calcium glycinate be a good source?

 

[gaze]

Well red meats are not too high in phosphorus. They're high, but low enough that eating enough vegetables can balance it somewhat if you don't want to drink milk. Eating a lot of fish, meats, and whole grains, and no dairy, then you really have a problem. Also, meats and fish in America are often soaked in trisodium polyphosphate, which is a highly bioavailable form of phosphorus, which is NOT required to be on a label. So almost all meats are soaked in it, to increase the weight and as a preservative. Finding local farmed meat or a butcher you know would be ideal. Also, b3 helps excrete phosphate, and meats have a good amount, so red meats have that going for it as opposed to relying on cottage cheese. Eating lots of fructose helps excrete phosphate also. Lastly, You say milk isn't satiating, but why does that mean that you can't eat a little bit of it? for example, just 3 glasses of milk, maybe 2 ounces of normal cheese (not cottage cheese), will provide enough calcium to balance a couple ounces of beef, because the calcium phosphorus ratio of milk and most cheeses is a little over one, not 1:1 exactly. The best supplement of calcium would be to get a pound of greens and boil it quickly, then drink the water and dump the actual greens

 

[Greg]

Well red meats are not too high in phosphorus. They're high, but low enough that eating enough vegetables can balance it somewhat if you don't want to drink milk. Eating a lot of fish, meats, and whole grains, and no dairy, then you really have a problem. Also, meats and fish in America are often soaked in trisodium polyphosphate, which is a highly bioavailable form of phosphorus, which is NOT required to be on a label. So almost all meats are soaked in it, to increase the weight and as a preservative. Finding local farmed meat or a butcher you know would be ideal. Also, b3 helps excrete phosphate, and meats have a good amount, so red meats have that going for it as opposed to relying on cottage cheese. Eating lots of fructose helps excrete phosphate also. Lastly, You say milk isn't satiating, but why does that mean that you can't eat a little bit of it? for example, just 3 glasses of milk, maybe 2 ounces of normal cheese (not cottage cheese), will provide enough calcium to balance a couple ounces of beef, because the calcium phosphorus ratio of milk and most cheeses is a little over one, not 1:1 exactly. The best supplement of calcium would be to get a pound of greens and boil it quickly, then drink the water and dump the actual greens

Thanks a lot for these suggestions and advice!

 

[Mito]

Calcium-Phosphorous Ratio Of Cheeses

 

[Greg]

Calcium-Phosphorous Ratio Of Cheeses

Thanks!

 

[Vins7]

Well red meats are not too high in phosphorus. They're high, but low enough that eating enough vegetables can balance it somewhat if you don't want to drink milk. Eating a lot of fish, meats, and whole grains, and no dairy, then you really have a problem. Also, meats and fish in America are often soaked in trisodium polyphosphate, which is a highly bioavailable form of phosphorus, which is NOT required to be on a label. So almost all meats are soaked in it, to increase the weight and as a preservative. Finding local farmed meat or a butcher you know would be ideal. Also, b3 helps excrete phosphate, and meats have a good amount, so red meats have that going for it as opposed to relying on cottage cheese. Eating lots of fructose helps excrete phosphate also. Lastly, You say milk isn't satiating, but why does that mean that you can't eat a little bit of it? for example, just 3 glasses of milk, maybe 2 ounces of normal cheese (not cottage cheese), will provide enough calcium to balance a couple ounces of beef, because the calcium phosphorus ratio of milk and most cheeses is a little over one, not 1:1 exactly. The best supplement of calcium would be to get a pound of greens and boil it quickly, then drink the water and dump the actual greens

What greens are a good source of calcium?
Does calcium stay in the water when you boil it?

 

[gaze]

What greens are a good source of calcium?
Does calcium stay in the water when you boil it?

Ive seen Peat mention kale, spinach, collard, or swiss chard i think. With spinach maybe put some baking soda in the water to break down the oxalates. Basically when you boil it for a bit, you might not even have to fully boil it, the minerals leech into the water. Peat claims it happens fairly quickly. Then you can just put it through a strainer and drink the water and minerals and toss the actual leafy part.

 

[SuperStressed]

Calcium Carbonate

Eggshell is purest form