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Calcirol - Liquid Vitamin D3

Discussion in 'IdeaLabs' started by haidut, Dec 10, 2017.

  1. Inaut

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    @Amazoniac good post ^^^^^. Rebounding builds the bones from what I’ve read and can be considered a sort of aerobic exercise. Can’t wait for my new one to arrive...
     
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    Dozens of well controlled human studies on MK-4 beg to disagree. I would not call K2 useless, it has been shown to reverse bone loss even in cases of glucocorticoid excess, especially in the elderly. The anabolic effects of "aerobic" exercise are entirely dependent on adrenal function. This type of exercise promotes DHEA synthesis in younger/healthier people but in older/sicklier people is has almost entirely pro-glucocorticoid effects. It is not a coincidence that older people cannot really run, do not enjoy it, and do not reap health benefits while younger people do. Anything that raises cortisol/DHEA ratio is bad in the long run and "aerobic" exercise has exactly this effects in older people. You really do not want to end up in the situation described in the thread below.
    https://raypeatforum.com/community/threads/exercise-fasting-is-stress-causes-obesity-and-ir-and-requires-cortisol-blockade-to-reverse.20121/
     
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    I've been just as puzzled by that comment ever since I read it, however I can't think of any explanation that invalidates his experience other than perhaps having used only mk-7 (as mention'd before). Given that many people here already overdose on mk-4 and won't stop doing so, are sedentary (and believe that there's no problem to it) while know about the harms of overexercising, such message in this community will be interpreted properly.

    He writes explicitly that exhausting physical exercises should be avoided for setting people back in their progress (along with emotional stress, sleep deprivation, excessive exposure to heat, and so on).

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    Longstanding vitamin D deficiency here, doctor said to take 2000IUs of D3 daily--didn't see results from regular D3 supps.
    Also, tried a sublingual spray with D3/K2 from a holistic dentist, but feel it's not working either..
    I want to get Calcirol but after further reading, I want to make sure all other vitamins are balanced... would it be safe/advisable to give my rat Estroban, maybe 2-4drops a day then 2000+iu of Calcirol?
    Any thoughts/experiences? My rat gets plenty of calcium from dairy and has been taking magnesium topically in the form Magniol every night (10-20drops) for the past 2 months with great results, better sleep and less anxiety!
    I'll keep searching the forum, thanks in advance for any suggestions!
     
  6. baccheion

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    Do you also have a magnesium issue? 2,000 IU isn't enough to do anything. Take 300 IU/kg/day D3 (10 IU D3 : 2 mcg+ K2 MK-4) for a while, then drop to 50-100 IU/kg/day as maintenance.
     
  7. bionicheart

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    Thanks for your response and can you clarify--are you just suggesting taking D3 with K2 MK-4, while leaving estroban out completely? (as in, the D to K ratio is most vital or likely to get out of balance..?)
    I feel like I do have magnesium issues, mainly because of past heart issues/life-long anxiety (29 years old)
    but my lab work always came back "normal" except vitamin D was low, and at times I was very anemic (probably due to being vegetarian for 11 years and stage II endometriosis, but the endo was excised this past fall, and my cycles are much lighter).
    I have ALWAYS had anxiety, chronically low weight (but always in the low-end of the normal BMI for my height) due to lack of appetite caused by depression/anxiety and high metabolism...? I have been on benzos most of my life and am finally on low dose diazepam-- tapering off.
    I had 2 fatal arrhythmias (caught on a heart monitor in my sleep--ventricular tachycardia) about 8 years ago that made the doctors determine I required an internal defibrillator (my mom and aunt had one and later, both received heart transplants at 48 and 52 due to dilated cardiomyopathy that turned into congestive heart failure.) They were always at low-healthy weights but seemed to both deal with a lot of stress--our family has been told it's a genetic heart condition--which I refuse to believe.
    I haven't had any heart issues since and no signs of heart disease. I have mild mitral valve prolapse and mild scoliosis, so I feel my vitamin D and zinc levels have always been low/off.

    Sorry for the life story but I feel all these things are connected. Thank you for reading! :}
     
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    I was recommending that as a way of replenishing vitamin D. 2,000 IU/day isn't going to do it. I mentioned vitamin K2 MK-4, as it's recommended when taking higher amounts of vitamin D3. Also adding a comprehensive nutrient stack is even better.
     
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