Caffeine May Be More Evil Than You Think!

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If your body doesn't or can't release enough bile then your kidneys have to deal with the caffeine and bitter compounds which would explain why it might sit in your stomach for a while if you're sensitive. If coffee gives lower back pain/tightness/off-feeling then this might be you. This doesn't mean you shouldn't drink it
Yep, this is me. I went a month without, had a cup the last few days and felt great.
 

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What part is you? And what felt great with it?

Do you mean you would even like to sleep?

Yeah I will often drink coffee late at night or even finish half one before bed. It is still stimulating so I will have a small one, maybe 4oz french roast very dark, mixed with vanilla ice cream and salt.
 

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I am Caffeine addict(3cups for daily) and I can say that Caffeine gives me good focus and motivation. but also makes me nervous.breathlessness(choking feeling in throat),anxiety and irritability. Sideeffects are noticeable about 30min after I took Coffee. especially when I face stressful situation,I feel extremely nervous and irritate.
sometimes,I get uncontrollable rage and It is really annoying. its like I don't actually get mad but Caffeine boosts my small anxiety and stress about 100x
 

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I am Caffeine addict(3cups for daily) and I can say that Caffeine gives me good focus and motivation. but also makes me nervous.breathlessness(choking feeling in throat),anxiety and irritability. Sideeffects are noticeable about 30min after I took Coffee. especially when I face stressful situation,I feel extremely nervous and irritate.
sometimes,I get uncontrollable rage and It is really annoying. its like I don't actually get mad but Caffeine boosts my small anxiety and stress about 100x
It is anxiogenic for a lot of people. You will feel much more calm without it if you can make it through withdrawal.
 

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Yes I think so too.
I will try reducing dailly 3cups to 2cup and 1cup only next and go Coldturkey
If one's hypothyroid then caffeine can cause anxiety.

Breathlessness can be caused by low CO2 production and retention. Many drug users combine benzodiazepine drugs (gabergic drugs) and caffeine (a dopaminergic drug) to "get high." Many benzodiazepines have dopaminergic properties as well (particularly alprazolam or Xanax), and the drug phenibut has notably strong gabergic and dopaminergic properties, and it's used as a "cure-all" by some for its mood-boosting properties.

"Stress-related behaviors are accompanied by modification of a large number of neurotransmitters in the brain. Moreover, the binding to GABA(A) receptors does not account for all the effects of benzodiazepines. In this study we investigated the effect of repeated restraint stress and alprazolam treatment (1 mg/day os) on dopamine receptors (Bmax and Kd) in the striatum of adult rats by means of quantitative receptor autoradiography. After chronic restraint stress dopamine D1 receptors (Bmax value) decreased in the accumbens nucleus, whereas dopamine D2 receptors were not modified in any investigated area. After alprazolam treatment, a considerable increase in both dopamine D1 and D2 receptors in the striatum was observed. Chronic immobilization stress together with alprazolam treatment re-established dopamine D1 receptor density to control values in the accumbens nucleus and olfactory tubercle, whereas it resulted in an increase in dopamine D2 receptors comparable to that elicited by alprazolam treatment alone."

Reference: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9600648

"Phenibut (beta-phenyl-gamma-aminobutyric acid HCl) is a neuropsychotropic drug that was discovered and introduced into clinical practice in Russia in the 1960s. It has anxiolytic and nootropic (cognition enhancing) effects. It acts as a GABA-mimetic, primarily at GABA(B) and, to some extent, at GABA(A) receptors. It also stimulates dopamine receptors and antagonizes beta-phenethylamine (PEA), a putative endogenous anxiogenic. The psychopharmacological activity of phenibut is similar to that of baclofen, a p-Cl-derivative of phenibut. This article reviews the structure-activity relationship of phenibut and its derivatives. Emphasis is placed on the importance of the position of the phenyl ring, the role of the carboxyl group, and the activity of optical isomers. Comparison of phenibut with piracetam and diazepam reveals similarities and differences in their pharmacological and clinical effects. Phenibut is widely used in Russia to relieve tension, anxiety, and fear, to improve sleep in psychosomatic or neurotic patients; as well as a pre- or post-operative medication. It is also used in the therapy of disorders characterized by asthenia and depression, as well as in post-traumatic stress, stuttering and vestibular disorders."

Reference: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11830761

Originally posted on the Foster Your Health blog: https://fosteryourhealth.wordpress.com/2018/02/27/alprazolam-xanax-and-phenibut-cognitive-enhancers/
 
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Coffee/caffeine is the ultimate mindless-slave making drug.
It makes corporate slaves work harder yet dumbs analytic thinking so they won't realize they are stuck in a go-nowhere rat race.

No wonder it is given for free at so many corporations.

I'm sorry, but, this is dumb (although i see the point you wanted to make). Lately i see these variants of socialist/marxist indoctrination mixed with conspiracy theory everywhere. Once again, the evil man behind the curtains is out to get you!, the corporation! the elite! bla.. (Is microsoft/Intel/others evil for connecting the world with affordable computer systems and user friendly operating systems?... When you own or buy stocks of a Company are you a evil owner?. software programmers that drank coffee, worked hard and created all this wealth and technologies that we all benefit from, are they being slaves or evil?.. ). c'mon, let's be more sophisticated. There is no manager forcing coffee on employees. people have been drinking coffee for a long time, because they like the effects.Some people drink coffee at work not because of a designed conspiracy, but, because they freely choose to, they find it helps. clients also drink coffee. And it is not "free", but the world/market do produce it in large quantities, so it is quite cheap and accessible.

Ok, back to cofee in the body.
 
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Yes I think so too.
I will try reducing dailly 3cups to 2cup and 1cup only next and go Coldturkey

Try staying at 1 or 2 cups long term, without quitting cold turkey, and drinking more coke + Pepsi for caffiene instead. I get a similar response to coffee as you when I'm in a high stress environment (as I am right now) and I find cola works much better as a caffiene source when I'm under stress.

Even drinking cola (esp. Coke or pepsi) alongside coffee seems to help keeping me from getting "put on edge" by either to coffee or the external / internal stressor.

I also second the advice to use phenibut as per @DaveFoster 's suggestion; phenibut is amazing and if used correctly (with irregular monthlong breaks, up to 3x per week only, weekly "rest periods", keep the dose steady and use the minimum effective dose each time.) You will love phenibut, and it also has a side effect of being felix felicis from Harry Potter.

edit: to add second parentheses to parenthetical portion.
 

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Try staying at 1 or 2 cups long term, without quitting cold turkey, and drinking more coke + Pepsi for caffiene instead. I get a similar response to coffee as you when I'm in a high stress environment (as I am right now) and I find cola works much better as a caffiene source when I'm under stress.

Even drinking cola (esp. Coke or pepsi) alongside coffee seems to help keeping me from getting "put on edge" by either to coffee or the external / internal stressor.

I also second the advice to use phenibut as per @DaveFoster 's suggestion; phenibut is amazing and if used correctly (with irregular monthlong breaks, up to 3x per week only, weekly "rest periods", keep the dose steady and use the minimum effective dose each time.) You will love phenibut, and it also has a side effect of being felix felicis from Harry Potter.

edit: to add second parentheses to parenthetical portion.
I did not advise to use phenibut; I was just pointing out its benefits related to mood. It's easily abused and has some of the worst withdrawals.
 

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Decaf is pretty good. Still get the nutrients, no “drug”.

Starting to enjoy it more than regular; its still stimulating, but in a different way.

Im guessing its the opiate antagonist effects.

Can drink it black no blood sugar issues.
 
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I'm sorry, but, this is dumb (although i see the point you wanted to make). Lately i see these variants of socialist/marxist indoctrination mixed with conspiracy theory everywhere. Once again, the evil man behind the curtains is out to get you!, the corporation! the elite! bla.. (Is microsoft/Intel/others evil for connecting the world with affordable computer systems and user friendly operating systems?... When you own or buy stocks of a Company are you a evil owner?. software programmers that drank coffee, worked hard and created all this wealth and technologies that we all benefit from, are they being slaves or evil?.. ). c'mon, let's be more sophisticated. There is no manager forcing coffee on employees. people have been drinking coffee for a long time, because they like the effects.Some people drink coffee at work not because of a designed conspiracy, but, because they freely choose to, they find it helps. clients also drink coffee. And it is not "free", but the world/market do produce it in large quantities, so it is quite cheap and accessible.

Ok, back to cofee in the body.
I have also sort of noticed this same tendency everywhere especially escalating in the last five or six years. It makes me wonder if it is an external symptom of a greater internal awareness shift going on. It is my best guess...
 

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Most of these posts are old, but I'm trying to figure out if I can, or should even bother, try to keep caffeine in my diet. I've actually been trying to wean it out of my diet, no doubt because I am a recovering hypo and have other issues. But, if the benefits of caffeine outweigh the cons, and I can find a way to mitigate the negative impacts while maximizing the positives, I'd love to....

Problem is, I seem to be hyper sensitive to caffeine, and quickly crash energy wise from it, like many here have said. I guess it's insufficient nutrition, but it's not like my sugar or overall calorie intake is low. Does this just mean I need even more sugar? What if my calorie intake is already really high, I'm concerned about excess body fat gains (We're talking 5000+ calories a day) while in the recovery phase. I guess it'd be worth it in the long run, to increase metabolism more than what it can be normally. Should I just fix my baseline metabolism before worrying about caffeine though? Since caffeine is kind of like a supplement. But, Haidut says it can help with things like NAFLD, and I know my liver's ability to utilize glucose is no doubt compromised, so that's one reason I'm considering it.

I'm noticing some of the more prominent members here who post a lot having obscene intake of caffeine (upwards of 1000 mg a day or close to it). How in the world are you guys metabolizing all that without ill effect, and how do you go to bed at night without chronic insomnia (I get insomnia with only 200 mg a day!!! heaven forbid 800 mg, that would literally keep me up ALL night!) In addition, with that amount of caffeine, I'd no doubt wake up with insane fatigue / need to hit up more caffeine. I already can't sleep through the night without adrenaline response with zero caffeine! This is actually my #1 concern. I am genuinely curious how in the world you sleep at night? I'm guessing these folks do something along the lines of 200mg per meal, 4 meals a day? Or 400 mg, twice a day?
 

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@Cirion
When I first arrived here, I tried the basics - sugar, milk, OJ, coffee and had a similar intolerance even with 4 sugars in each. I posted a few questions and was advised to look at my liver function as tolerance to coffee is used as a marker of sugar metabolism. My temperatures were low and I was looking at raising my metabolism. Drinking coffee was raising my metabolism but by raising my stress hormones, completely the wrong way to heal myself,
So, I have focused for the last year on my liver and can now drink two to three strong coffees a day without any problems of stress. I still don't drink it late.
My approach to liver health was to read the forum extensively and eat moderately (I could put weight on @1600 a day) with maximum nutrition, low PUFA, gelatin in the form of hydrolysed collagen, with protein with every sugar meal. I stopped all B6 and aspirin but am just starting back as my doc says my liver function has improved.I still do a lot of OJ and milk.
Look to your liver,,,
 
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What diags can we use as far as blood tests to get a solid idea here regarding liver function?
I did not use anything “official”, but personal observation:

*held glycogen better translated into needing less “snacks” in between meals.
*Better sleep and not waking up hungry, thus again better storage
*less reaction to coffee
*less sluggish
 

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I did not advise to use phenibut; I was just pointing out its benefits related to mood. It's easily abused and has some of the worst withdrawals.

If you aren't advising, even implicitly, the use phenibut, why bring it up almost out of nowhere in the first place, and take the time and effort to post supporting studies? It looks exactly like you were recommending phenibut as a superior alternative to caffeine.
 

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I did not use anything “official”, but personal observation:

*held glycogen better translated into needing less “snacks” in between meals.
*Better sleep and not waking up hungry, thus again better storage
*less reaction to coffee
*less sluggish

I moderate liver function the same way. The above represent tell tale signs of good health. I will however say that we all react to caffeine differently. I burn through glycogen stores rather quickly still, and need adequate calories to fuel my coffee or caffeine pills, thyroid etc. I hate to say it as i know there is extremely limited scientific back up the argument behind fast/slow oxidizer, but i truly fit every description of a fast oxidizer. (Have always been thin, burn through caffeine, carbs quickly, am satiated by meat and salt etc.) Maybe i just don't consume enough calories still, who knows.
 

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