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Bromine Content In Foods

Discussion in 'Toxins, Detoxification' started by Cirion, Nov 5, 2018.

  1. Cirion

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    After learning the benefits of Iodine, and why (detoxing halogens such as Bromine), the more I learn, the more I am disgusted with how much we are poisoned by it.

    538. Bromide ion (Pesticide residues in food: 1981 evaluations)

    Some what of an older article, but if anything, the bromine content in foods is probably more now, not less.

    This is why I believe large doses (at least 20 mg a day) of Iodine is required, just look at the huge amounts of Bromine we intake every day from this article... some people who have less than ideal food choices may be getting more than 20mg of Bromine a day (not to mention chlorine, and fluoride which is also bad news).

    Clearly, 150 mcg a day of Iodine is simply not enough to displace all the toxic halogens we intake on a daily basis.
     
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    I have been thinking about larger iodine doses again, too. It seems that the biggest potential problems are-

    1. Possible Hyperthyroidism (either from extreme deficiency, or goiter)
    2. Iodism, which I agree is likely detoxing bromide, flouride, or other toxins
    3. Iodation of Unsaturated Fats. Truthfully, I don't know if this would even be a problem, but it is something Peat brought up.
    4. Potential spiking of TSH. This would also be a concern of Peat's as TSH is a stress hormone independently of T4/T3 levels.

    Number four might be prevented with adequate Vitamin D, Calcium or supplemental thyroid. burtlancast, interested in what your take is on the last two potential issues. I did run into some crazy hypo symptoms when I was doing high dose iodine, and that TSH spike might have been the issue.
     
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    Not burtlancast, but the only concern from what I have read (and been experiencing, as I increase the dosage) is the worsening of some symptoms due to the liberation of halides both from the thyroid receptors but also from fat stores (your body stores a lot of halides in your body fat to get it away from the bloodstream), and once these halides are liberated into the bloodstream you can very easily get bromide poisoning symptoms (like today, I had some major brain fog that I couldn't explain, until I dosed up on vitamin C and salt which both help detox the bromide). My thoughts are that TSH is indeed elevated in a lot of cases, but that's because its your thyroid finally "turning on" after a long time of dormancy, and should level off eventually. My limited understanding is that high TSH is indeed caused by a sluggish metabolism/hypothyroid, so a chronically elevated TSH forever is not good, but an acute rise in TSH may or may not be bad. I think in this case, you can argue that it's good, showing that the thyroid is making an attempt to recover. Short term discomfort to realize long term health gains. It's too simplistic to take the immediate impact of taking iodine and expect it to instantly heal you. That's what the medical industry loves to do with their one-sided studies. The lugols iodine I got came with an e-book with some dosage tips, and it said that even with 50 mg iodine a day, it can take 6 months or even years to fully remove all the bromine/chlorine/fluorine and saturate the body with iodine. I can believe it, when you look at the attached article and see that you could be getting as much as 30 mg of bromine a day with a poor diet, over the span of years is a LOT of bromine.

    I would hardly worry about hyperthyroidism unless you're otherwise healthy, with little to no bromide/chloride/fluoride in your body. Again, the more likely issue, is that you could cause a lot of damage by liberating too many toxic halides too quickly in the system, if anything, that's what should be the concern, and plenty of vitamin C and salt should be taken to help flush this out of the bloodstream and out of the body entirely.

    I fail to understand the iodine phobia, as if it's better to risk being too low in iodine and high in bromine, than it is to be too low in bromine and "too high" in iodine. I am fairly confident in saying the latter situation is far preferable. Iodine probably won't make you feel better overnight, but it's not supposed to, it's supposed to first purge the bad halides from the system and THEN you will feel better. Just be smart about the dosage, and if the detox symptoms get too severe, back off a little while loading up on C and salt etc.

    Think of it like cleansing the PUFA's from your body. These things take time, years even.

    Just my 2c
     
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    1. About the TSH increase scare: from Brownstein's book:
    2. About iodated lipids:
    since iodine combines with unsaturated fatty acids, isn't that a beneficial effect according to Peat ? The harmful unsaturated bonds get neutralized, the oxygen oxidation of the double bond is made impossible, and the inflammatory effect is stopped.

    For the grace of god, why isn't Peat screaming from the top of his lungs to start supplementing iodine?
     
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    burtlan, even David admits that it's risky:
    Interview with Holistic Doctor David Brownstein - thyroid-info.com
     
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    Hmm. He says he cured both of his daughters who had Hashimoto's at another point in time using his Iodine protocol. I will try to find out where I read this and post it later. That said, it is probably wise to find a knowledgeable Dr. if you do have a severe condition.

    I've ordered his book so I can better inform myself.

    Regardless, the point stands that there is simply no way to fix Hypo without making your thyroid glands working properly (unless you wanna supplement T4/T3 for life), and there is no way to do that without restoring Iodine levels, which is basically impossible to do without supplementing it because of how many other toxic halogens we intake on a daily basis, plus the fact that the body uses way more than 150 mcg of Iodine a day.

    In any case, most of us don't have full blown Hashimoto's. If I had to guess, I would be willing to bet the cause of Hashimoto's is excessive halogen intake of Flourine, Chlorine, Bromine, & an extreme lack of iodine, and the body starts to set up antibodies to resist anything bonding to the gland at that point, even Iodine. I suppose I could see how in this case, you may have to ease into it, and not start at the larger dosages, because in this scenario not only do you have to deal with the antibodies, but you also have to deal with the VERY large amount of displaced bromine/chlorine/fluorine atoms that will cause extreme toxicity symptoms. I was basically able to jump to 50+ mg a day, but someone with Hashi's may have to start as low as say, 500 mcg (or even less), then 1 mg, taking slow baby steps to 50mg, etc... all under the guidance of a Dr. who tests you along the way to make sure the antibodies from Hashi's don't overwhelm you (In Hashi's, the goal is probably to slowly bring down the level of the antibodies, which, I think *should* slowly drop down as you cleanse yourself of the halides and introduce Iodine, but much like diabetes, it is not something that gets cured overnight) so in that sense Hashi's is to Iodine as Diabetes is to Sugar... neither sugar nor Iodine is the devil... BUT the devil is in the details, if you will

    *EDIT* found the quote, was a reply to some guy on his website, and likely in his book as well (Will find out when I read it)

    From:
    Dr Brownstein | How to Find an Iodine-Knowledgeable Health Care Provider
     
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