Boosting Androgens Naturally

[Cameron]

I tried sorghum flour a while back and I think all the claims of it boosting DHT are true because I always noticed a boost in mood and confidence when I would consume it as well as other fun things below the belt.

A study said extract raises 5 ar by 54 percent! I'm not sure the mechanism can @haidut or @Hans explain how or if sorghum flour is effective and is it comparable to eat sorghum bread to the extract ?

 

[Cameron]

Honestly with milk eggs sugar sorgum taste amazing and is a gluten free option and nutrient packed but is kinda pufa higher

 

[Cameron]

I've used it in the past didn't notice anything remarkable but only had it for a week accidentally spilled it and never remembered to buy more but I made good bread with it for awhile not everyday so maybe if others can show better research it may be worth trying

 

[Alex Jaramillo]

great suggestion @Alex Jaramillo

Why did you stop? Are you considering taking it again?

I just ran out and yeah I’m definently getting some more soon

 

[Alex Jaramillo]

Honestly with milk eggs sugar sorgum taste amazing and is a gluten free option and nutrient packed but is kinda pufa higher

It’s very subtle and yeah the main downside is PUFA

 

[Alex Jaramillo]

A study said extract raises 5 ar by 54 percent! I'm not sure the mechanism can @haidut or @Hans explain how or if sorghum flour is effective and is it comparable to eat sorghum bread to the extract ?

Sorghum and niacinimide give me very similar results in terms of libido, mood etc.

 

[Cameron]

Yeah hopefully we could get @haidut knowledgeable view on this in North Africa where it's a common food they also share higher dht levels I'll try to find the study but my question is is the flour or bread the same in effect as the extract and what is the main source of it's effect on 5ar. From what I read it's one of the few things that actually raises 5ar so highly as a food while rice bran and safflower lower 5ar dramatically

 

[Cameron]

Also there's butea superba which showed 1500 level dht in a man that tried it an experienced high libido and went to a doctor lol. Plus other anilal studies so that's interesting but no idea what more educated opinions there are on it other then typical test boost websites

 

[Alex Jaramillo]

Also there's butea superba which showed 1500 level dht in a man that tried it an experienced high libido and went to a doctor lol. Plus other anilal studies so that's interesting but no idea what more educated opinions there are on it other then typical test boost websites

I’ve tried Butea superba too I’d say it’s pretty similar in effects

 

[Alex Jaramillo]

Yeah hopefully we could get @haidut knowledgeable view on this in North Africa where it's a common food they also share higher dht levels I'll try to find the study but my question is is the flour or bread the same in effect as the extract and what is the main source of it's effect on 5ar. From what I read it's one of the few things that actually raises 5ar so highly as a food while rice bran and safflower lower 5ar dramatically

All I have is anecdotal right now sadly

 

[Satellite]

I have been under feeding for a while so I’m just experimenting with all these things to see if blood levels go up. I also figure the more in the blood the more the target tissues will receive. That said the past week or so I’ve been eating 3,000-4,000 calories a day and I feel better and even though I gained about 2-3 pounds my body has reacted well as I feel stronger in the gym and muscles are much fuller. To be honest if I get my bloods done and they are higher I wouldn’t be able to pinpoint ONE thing that has helped but I sure as hell will continue with the approach that produced those results and share it with you guys so you can try it and maybe experience the same.

Cheers

Ah I see, yeah I could see how being well nourished would help rather than hinder.

Well, I can't say 100% you are wrong, but I never take anything seriously for the first month or two, because quick changes are going to appear deceivingly remarkable.
However, I only mentioned, because my experience with Thor's Hammer disproved that theory.
For a natural product, Thor's Hammer gave me steroid-like results and clean with good mental focus suggesting good estrogen and cortisol control, and far better results in the libido/erection area, not even comparable really.

Based on the knowledge and experiences I have had to-date, I believe that it is primarily due to Thor's Hammer being the only natural product I have used that intentionally was concocted to "turn-on" my androgen receptors. We know from people who use Nettle Root and Forskolin, that freeing up testosterone and priming the body to want to use it is important when maximizing androgens.

I am not saying you have to use TH and it only, but just that the basic theoretical formula is sound.
Boost androgens, lower estrogen, control cortisol, but also improve the body's willingness to use it.
I think the last one gets left out a lot.

Also, what makes me not buy into the blood levels so much is because I paired it with his other product Battle Mead.
You take it intra workout and post workout; it is designed to trick the liver in to thinking it is getting sugar, I think he says fructose, (you could also eat a banana to trick it too), and then the rest of the carbs by-pass the liver into the blood stream and into the muscles as you are working out.

The Agmatine Sulfate in the TH provides a nice pump, so you are literally pumping nutrients into the muscle as you workout, the same way as if you were on steroids.
That's the idea behind his products, they replace steroids in a healthy way.

Then you take the post workout and it is basically a glucose disposal drink - when you drink it, it drains all the carbs and sugars in the blood stream and shoves it into the muscles.

It is quite interesting. I had really good workouts, libido, aggression, improved cognition, and energy.
All signs of a properly functioning body IMHO.

Anyway I can tell you know what you are doing, I just figured I mention.
I can see how higher blood levels would be indicative of progress.
However, I also tend to think that our bloodstream is for transporting things to specific places to be used, not just continue circulating them around.
Actually, I think constant circulation of things is what causes allergies to that thing.

 

[Satellite]

You’re a rockstar dude! You know what they say if it ain’t broke don’t fix it.

LOL thanks for the compliment, I will take it!
Truth is, when the biochemistry is right, it's not even hard.
You can literally control everything and just go on 'coast'.
Then just control your mental "excitement".
Easy peazy.

 

[Satellite]

I'd be wary of that Thor's hammer product.

Neither of these are good things and are stress hormones.

Growth hormone: Hormone of Stress, Aging, and Death?
The Nitric Oxide (NO) Theory Of Aging

Increased erections =/= increased health.

Nitric oxide does indeed cause improved erections but due to blood flow and not because of libido. That's actually one of the main drivers for Viagra.

I hear ya, but it is a bodybuilding supplement, you know?
He is saying the NO production is from his pre-workout, Fenris Fury, though, so different supplement.
The pump in Thor's Hammer comes from the Agmatine Sulfate.

And GH secretion is a natural response after a workout, especially if you are bodybuilding.
Like really bodybuilding, not "working out" with the boys after work.
Those guys are literally destroying their muscles with stress amounts higher than a full collision car crash.
If someone isn't working out and has high GH then yeah that's a bad sign.

We know the long term health benefits of working out.
Sure, bodybuilding etc. is probably a stress level high enough to where it will reduce lifespan long term.
However, that reveals the real problem with stress.
Stress isn't the problem - not being able to recover from stress is.
When you don't heal you die.


"Increased erections =/= increased health"
I agree, but he asked if it was good for erections.
It is, at least for me.
I would also flip it and say if you aren't having good erections, that's probably a worse sign.

Anyway, I agree with what you're saying, it just may a bit out of context as I was answering his question about it being good for erections, not promoting it as a health supplement.

 

[Satellite]

Did Todd Lee hire you as a sales guy? Haha totally kidding he's a very smart guy and I appreciate his biochemistry approach to bodybuilding the guy is very knowledgeable on hormone replacement and performance haven't seen much since his new channel didn't know anyone else knew of him

LOL
Yeah I sound like a hardcore fanboy don't I!
I've been using Lee's products since 2015.
I experiment around, but I always come back around now and then.

No, it's just I have not been able to use a single product for men's health with such success as TH!
As a man, when you come across something like that, that gives you results in the gym, masculine aggression and energy, viagra like libido, it's exciting, you know?
I guarantee the ladies notice.
I pair it up with Idealabs Androsterone and I get wicked attention from ladies lols.

I have used a stack that was comparable though, but it requires three products.
It was raw pine pollen powder, raw tongkat ali, and raw nettle root.
It gave me similar effects, except it leaned me out, whereas TH helps guys bulk up a bit.
Taking the powders in warm water got tiresome though lol.

At the same time, it'll never, ever be as powerful as real juice.
But I'd rather be healthy and not deal with all the side effects, etc. you know?
Life's much more enjoyable that way.

His YouTube channel got banned lol.
So he puts videos up on his website now.
I think you have to subscribe or make an account with an email address, but I think it is free.

Did you use his old products or something? Or maybe just cross his channel?

 

[Alex Jaramillo]

LOL thanks for the compliment, I will take it!
Truth is, when the biochemistry is right, it's not even hard.
You can literally control everything and just go on 'coast'.
Then just control your mental "excitement".
Easy peazy.

Agreed

 

[Satellite]

Agreed

And you know this!...

 

[bluefish]

“I have used a stack that was comparable though, but it requires three products.
It was raw pine pollen powder, raw tongkat ali, and raw nettle root.”

What’s the ratio for that? I’d like to try.

 

[sun-maid]

Is nettle root safe for male since its supposed to lower dht ? So not so good for raising androgen..

 

[GreekDemiGod]

The biggest thing I’ve learned so far is to avoid bloat at all costs, and I’ve gotten much better at whether a food will give me pure energy and strength or just bloat and cause problems, and this changes based on time of day, activity, and food I’ve consumed in the past.

How do you even troubleshoot the foods that causes one bloating when he is in an almost permanent state of bloating?
On Carnivore, it was easier due to the reduced food selection, you could easily tell if a food makes you react, but on a varied peat diet, hard to say.

My current suspects are:

• too much milk
• too much liquid (either milk or OJ)
• unripe bananas
• possibly potatoes, rice
• wheat

 

[Runenight201]

How do you even troubleshoot the foods that causes one bloating when he is in an almost permanent state of bloating?
On Carnivore, it was easier due to the reduced food selection, you could easily tell if a food makes you react, but on a varied peat diet, hard to say.

My current suspects are:

• too much milk
• too much liquid (either milk or OJ)
• unripe bananas
• possibly potatoes, rice
• wheat

A short fast should alleviate any bloat. If too difficult or feeling unwell, a whole fruit fast should help out. Whole ripe fruit cleans out the gut quickly. Pears, apples, bananas, watermelon, grapes, whole oranges. You could throw soda on top of this and probably feel very energized and good. Ice cold soda has always helped my stomach. I would stick to the fruit itself and avoid juice imo. It took me a while to realize but I became aware that fruit juice was wrecking my digestion.

Milk on its own was never helpful either. I either have to make a cheesy sauce with it or make a fruit smoothie with sugar.

From there it’s about testing foods individually one by one and paying attention to how they fill the stomach, give or take energy, inflame or cleanse, etc....