Book "Ride The Tiger" (Julius Evola)/On The Back Of A Tiger Comparison

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  1. marcar72

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    ... I wonder if the book in anyway influenced the name of this upcoming documentary? Does anyone know for sure? At any rate they'd be a good pairing and should compliment one another... :2cents

    I'm referring to the book "Ride The Tiger" by Julius Evola for clarification.
     
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    Ride The Tiger book/On the Back of A Tiger comparison...

    If so maybe get some "Philosophy types" from Philosophy forums here and there on the interwebs to vote up the movie and maybe contribute if they can. There's an idea, but I'm generally too laid back "Peat style" to be all activist mode I guess... :2cents
     
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    Ride The Tiger book/On the Back of A Tiger comparison...

    I think the title is a reference to Harold Hillman's line, "there's a Russian saying that it is easier to get on the back of a tiger than to get off it." I'm guessing it was used as a good match for the documentary's "the system's borked" theme.

    That book looks pretty interesting.
     
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    Ride The Tiger book/On the Back of A Tiger comparison...

    There once was a lady from Niger ...
     
  5. DaveFoster

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    They're related topics. It has to do with practical utility versus idealism, and the acceptance of the present degenerated state all while striving for something better: something eternal.

    I've yet to read Evola's work, but he's one of the most prolific writers I've ever seen with fundamentally original adaptations of classical and antiquated philosophy.

    For those who don't know, "Ride the Tiger" refers to his book, Ride the Tiger: A Survival Manual for the Aristocrats of the Soul, and it refers to a Chinese proverb involving a tiger and a man. Rather than fighting with or running from the tiger (both of which will end in death, and both symbolic of man's striving against society or escapism respectively,) the man jumps on its back and rides the tiger until he (the tiger) exhausts himself.

    Increasing the severity of the tiger's rampaging promotes its exhaustion, and so, reiterated once again, Evola proposes neither political activism nor passive acceptance, but rather a personal dedication to the hastened downfall of society as the greatest possible outcome. "Ride society and dig your heels into its back, and anger it until utter exhaustion," for lack of a better phrase.
     
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    Evola the rapist or Evola the Nazi?

    Evola also justified rape (among other forms of male domination of women) because he saw it "as a natural expression of male desire".

    Sounds like philosophical Ebola.
     
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    That's an apt proverb for the film.
     
  8. DaveFoster

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    It sounds like you read a Wikipedia article with little understanding of the man's work.

    Heinrich Himmler, the leader of the Nazi SS issued a statement condemning Evola as a danger to the state due to his unapologetic individualism and distaste for collectivism. He also criticized the Nazi fixation on race.

    The idea you're referring to resembles the pre-modern European concept of jus primae noctis, or the authority of a lord to copulate with any peasant woman on his whim, but there's almost no evidence for that happening beyond isolated cases. Marital rape had legal permissibility in every state in the U.S. until the mid 1970s.
     
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    Many Evola texts are available in archive.org
     
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    You mean Evola Mussolini’s tantric advisor?

    “Already in the SS-Ahnenerbe, where Heinrich Himmler’s Nazi-Religion was born, there was an interest in the contents of the Kalachakra-Tantra. The influential fascist and cultural philosopher Julius Evola saw in the mythic world of Shambhala an esoteric centre of a sacred warrior race.”

    Between Himmler and Evola its simply two different levels of psychopathology. One condemning the other does not absolve either’s pathological thinking regarding the noble aristocracy.
     
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    I’m sure it also has its roots in Vajrayana Buddhism and the rape of little Tibetan girls.
     
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    **** off, thought police.
     
  13. pinacolada

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    Oh look someone’s mad they had to twist their brains and think for minute.
     
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    That quote says that the Ahnerbe took an interest in esotericism, and that Evola did much of his research regarding esotericism, much like Guenon.

    You're framing Evola and the Ahnerbe as constructors of this novel worldview, but they're referring to the dominant worldview in the pre-modern sense: one of the supremacy within the kingship and superiority of the aristocracy.

    If you read Revolt Against the Modern World, Evola argues for the superior nature of regality within the king himself with no regard for the kingship, similar but not equivalent to the divine right of kings. This would arguably be the basis of every Indo-European culture prior to (and even well into) the early 20th century, as well as for Semitic Islamic societies with the Caliph.

    Later applications of esoteric ideas more broadly to the biological race just replaces the functional proxy for the race, previously religion, geneology and geography. Evenwith Arab Christians, for example the Janissaries, there existed little but contempt for these groups within European societies, or for Christians and Jews in Muslim societies for that matter.
     
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    I don't think your brain does much thinking, just regurgitating Wikipedia and buzzwords like "Nazi"
     
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    What I’m doing is questioning its legitimacy as an ideology to be respected, as well as its contribution to psychopathology and the societies that grow out of such ideas. You’re right, and Islamic ferocity grew in its conquest of the Buddhist world. I’m trying to understand why you would compare a film which is supposedly about breaking free from this sort of superiority zeitgeist with a philosophy inextricable from war-like religious dogma.

    More on Buddhism and Islam - Beginning in 712AD and continuing through 1030AD, Indiawas subject to massive annual invasions from Muslims who eventually conquered and destroyed much of the cultural heritage of India. In a final desperate act to annihilate Buddhism, in 1193, Nalanda University which was home to the greatest center of learnings in the East was destroyed, with thousands of monks beheaded. The destruction of the temples, monasteries, centres of learning at Nalanda and northern Indiato be responsible for the demise of ancient Indian scientific thought in mathematics, astronomy, alchemy, and anatomy. Much of what modern scholarship of Buddhist studies puzzles over today was contained in the manuscripts and minds of those who were lost during this calamity. However as the Kalachakra Tantra shows, the war between Dhamma and Islam is not over, nor is it. The prophecy includes detailed descriptions of the future invaders as well as suggested ways for the Buddhist teachings to survive these onslaughts.
     
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    Maybe you have an undescended testicle like Hitler.
     
  18. KennethKaniff

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    Could there be a more pathetic and cliché response? More confirmation of your total conformism to the grand narrative.
     
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    On the first page of the thread someone poses the question of comparing Ride the Tiger with the film, and both refer to the same proverb. There's some relationship with regard to opposition, each towards modernity and modern industrialization respectively, although their conclusions diverge.

    Are you a Buddhist? Guenon converted to Islam, whereas Evola viewed Semitic religions as generally inferior, and Evola himself identified as a Catholic Pagan, where he justified Catholicism only insofar as it preserved traditional European pagan values. Evola in particular viewed traditional Buddhism as one of the only remaining pure channels for transcendence, and one that represents strictly individual betterment without any legal intrusions on dominant political systems (such as the Indian caste system, for example.)

    Also, Hitler likely did not have an undescended testicle. It may have been shot off during WWI or that could be a myth intended to disparage, much like the misattribution of the Big Lie quote.
     
  20. pinacolada

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    I am not a Buddhist and the testicle thing has been disputed. Only Eva would know.
     
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