Book Banning, The New Burning?

[methylenewhite]

Gun control you say? Homicide rate has nothing to do with legal status of firearms.
US has approximately 393 million guns per 325 million people.
Russia has 7,3 million guns including 7 million non-lethal trauma inducing rubber bullet pistols, 150.000 units of mostly 12 and 410 with some 7.62 bolt action, and 94.000 firearms licensed for security companies. Russian population is 144 million.
The average homicide rate in the U.S. was 4.9 per 100,000
The average homicide rate in Russia is 6.6 per 100,000 Russians kill each other with knifes and axes.
Culture and economy predict homicides. Not guns.

 

[charlie]

Try since 1913, at least.

Yup.

I just think you are someone who fell for an establishment narrative, is ignorant of the subject you are speaking about, and that you don't even value your own rights or freedoms.

It had to be said.

 

[akgrrrl]

It is funny that you agree that Plano is safe despite having many guns, and that violent crime is up in the UK despite banning guns, but the inverse relation couldn't possibly be causal because, well, you said it's not. So I guess if you are making that claim that "Gun Control Always Lowers Violent Crime, Except When It Doesn't For Other Reasons," well, you can't really be incorrect.

I also don't understand why if simply banning guns and making them illegal is so effective, why don't we just ban murder and assault and rape and robbery and such? That would get rid of all the negatives of someone harming others without stepping on an individual's freedom to protect themselves, right?

Truthfully, I really don't understand why anyone on the Ray Peat Forum (of all places) would spend time defending government programs. I think we all agree that they screwed up health and nutrition, big time. You really think they have an individual's "best interest" in mind? Governments across the globe murdered more that 260 Million people in the 20th century (not including wars)- 20th Century Democide

My favorite quick and dirty breakdown of the stats on Guns Control and Gun Violence is this article- Gun Control: The TL;DR For The Ignorant and Illiterate

With the overall points being-

"— America has about 357 Millon guns amongst a population of 312 Millon.

— In total, there are 32,000 deaths per year from firearms, 60% being suicide.

— Stripping out small numbers of both accidents (under 1,000) and justified shootings (just over 1,000), leaves 33% being homicide.

— But 80% of the homicides are from inner-city, gang related activities (to which drug laws likely contribute a great deal), and all of them are cities that have been in the hands of leftist, socialist, gun-grabbing Democrats for decades. Every single one.

— We’re left with about 1,700 homicides in a population of 312 million that are predators preying on innocents.

— That’s 0.00000544871795 or .00054%. And this is what everyone’s all up in arms about?"

I don't watch Fox News, and I certainly wouldn't call them "beloved." You make a lot of assumptions about people you don't even know.

By the way, I don't think you're an authoritarian. Authoritarians usually have a position of power over people, generally government officials,, and I don't think you are one. I just think you are someone who fell for an establishment narrative, is ignorant of the subject you are speaking about, and that you don't even value your own rights or freedoms.

Burrrrn! Ouch ouchie hot hot hot

 

[PxD]

To be clear, what's happening in the UK has nothing to do with the left wing, communism or authoritarianism.

People are being labelled as anti semetic for criticising the israeli government and speaking out against their actions and motives with the zionist lobby in the US.

This is solely coming from the right wing libertarian media and it's a device to derail and debase the labour party for political purposes. It has nothing to do with authority or antisemitism, it's merely a tactic.

With regards to outlawing guns, it's simply because there are far less shootings and deaths when guns are outlawed. The intention of the bill of rights was to protect citizens from government tyranny. Try using your right to have a gun on a policeman, even in self defence, and see how well that goes.

I think labelling common sense decision making as "authoritarianism" is both paranoid but also anti-humanity.

There is a literal real world example of gun control changes working incredibly to save lives - watch this video :

Your claim that outlawing guns works well to reduce deaths is empirically false. This has been studied and disproven for decades.

As far as Jim Jeffries goes, the guy is a) a comedian and b) a hard left winger. If you want to present convincing arguments, referencing a biased comedian is not a good way to go.

 

[PxD]

Gun control you say? Homicide rate has nothing to do with legal status of firearms.
US has approximately 393 million guns per 325 million people.
Russia has 7,3 million guns including 7 million non-lethal trauma inducing rubber bullet pistols, 150.000 units of mostly 12 and 410 with some 7.62 bolt action, and 94.000 firearms licensed for security companies. Russian population is 144 million.
The average homicide rate in the U.S. was 4.9 per 100,000
The average homicide rate in Russia is 6.6 per 100,000 Russians kill each other with knifes and axes.
Culture and economy predict homicides. Not guns.

Adding to this: if one excludes inner city crime in the US, the homicide rate falls to about 2.5 per 100k. This is slightly above the UK’s 1.1, but either way both numbers are amongst the lowest in the world.

Gun ownership in the US has climbed massively since the 1960s while crime has fallen.

Some of the highest gun crime areas in the US have very tough gun laws (like Chicago and Washington).

I could go on and on. There is zero causality between gun ownership and gun violence. The causality is between demographics and violence.