Blood Glucose - High Carb/Low Fat

[Elie]

I have been doing a high carb/low fat diet to address my diabetes. I was testing at a 170 fasting blood glucose for a while and then I added sugar and fruit for about a month. I didn't test during this time. When I tested again I was at a 500 post prandial. My fasting was 330. I have given up the sugary things and am now back to a 230 fasting. It is not going lower than that for over a week. Any suggestions on how to proceed? I have 100 lbs to lose. During that month I lost 10 lbs quite quickly for me. I felt good as well. The high BG scared me off.
I have been pretty sedentary due to my hours at work, sitting at a desk. I just changed my job and will now have more time to walk/hike.
I take metformin, some blood pressure meds, berberine, Vit D, iodine, progestene, cortinon+, Dr. Christopher's Kidney Formula.
I am wondering if the addition of the sugar and fruit contributed to increasing my metabolism, which increased lipolysis, which increased the fatty acids in my blood, which contributed to more insulin resistance...or, considering the weight loss, has it increased my insulin sensitivity? Do I keep going? My instinct is to slow down the sugar and focus on the more complex carbs.
Thank you.

Curious as to where you are at now with you BG levels?
What have you implemented so far? what works and doesn't work?

 

[Neeters 27]

No, I don't follow all her recommendations. I avoid all PUFAs. I eat 5 1/2 cup servings of beans spaced throughout the day. I quit drinking caffeine beverages. I still eat some chocolate and some fruit. I eat a low fat diet. The idea is to get bile that has toxins (like estrogen) from the liver out of the body. The bean's insoluble fiber supposedly binds the bile and makes this possible. Just quitting caffeine will reduce stress. Ray Peat says that adding sugar and milk to coffee will counter the stress hormones that coffee raises but there are studies that show that cortisol is elevated even when sugar is consumed at the same time.

thats a ton of beans, yuk. Take Taurine instead for thinning bile and helping clean the liver. that's what my specialist prescribed. I take 3000 mgs or 1 scoop powdered taurine per day. it dissolves in liquid. has no taste. I find it is relaxing actually, helps me focus. its what is is red bull

 

[youngsinatra]

thats a ton of beans, yuk. Take Taurine instead for thinning bile and helping clean the liver. that's what my specialist prescribed. I take 3000 mgs or 1 scoop powdered taurine per day. it dissolves in liquid. has no taste. I find it is relaxing actually, helps me focus. its what is is red bull

Beans are used to reduce the enterohepatic recirculation as under normal circumstances ~95% of bile gets reabsorbed and transported back to the liver. Soluble fibers, such as found in beans, form a strong bond with bile, making the bile less able to reabsorb back to the liver. There are also other fibrous foods that have bile-binding capacities and there are also supplements like psyllium husk or activated charcoal. There are even pharmaceuticals like Colestyramin that are designed for that purpose.

So even though taurine helps with bile flow and therefore with the exportation of (potentially toxic) waste from the liver, if you don‘t have a good binder, you reabsorb most of the stuff that your liver excreted.

You could also just rely on the 5% of bile that gets excreted in the poop without fibers/binders, but I think that it potently speeds up the whole detoxification process.

I think you truely have detoxed something once it finally left your body through poop, urine, sweat or breath.

 

[LadyRae]

I have been doing a high carb/low fat diet to address my diabetes. I was testing at a 170 fasting blood glucose for a while and then I added sugar and fruit for about a month. I didn't test during this time. When I tested again I was at a 500 post prandial. My fasting was 330. I have given up the sugary things and am now back to a 230 fasting. It is not going lower than that for over a week. Any suggestions on how to proceed? I have 100 lbs to lose. During that month I lost 10 lbs quite quickly for me. I felt good as well. The high BG scared me off.
I have been pretty sedentary due to my hours at work, sitting at a desk. I just changed my job and will now have more time to walk/hike.
I take metformin, some blood pressure meds, berberine, Vit D, iodine, progestene, cortinon+, Dr. Christopher's Kidney Formula.
I am wondering if the addition of the sugar and fruit contributed to increasing my metabolism, which increased lipolysis, which increased the fatty acids in my blood, which contributed to more insulin resistance...or, considering the weight loss, has it increased my insulin sensitivity? Do I keep going? My instinct is to slow down the sugar and focus on the more complex carbs.
Thank you.

Georgi Dinkov has mentioned that when people have elevated cortisol, and they increase their carbohydrate and sugar consumption, they will pack on the fat as their body will not be able to deal with the carbohydrates efficiently

 

[Peatful]

Georgi Dinkov has mentioned that when people have elevated cortisol, and they increase their carbohydrate and sugar consumption, they will pack on the fat as their body will not be able to deal with the carbohydrates efficiently

Can you please link where you read this or heard this - when you have a moment of course.

Thank you

 

[LadyRae]

Can you please link where you read this or heard this - when you have a moment of course.

Thank you

I listened to a couple podcasts on YouTube this morning, I think it was the one on Nick Lofree's channel, but it may have been Jodellefit's... I'm sorry I am not sure exactly as I listened to them back to back.

 

[Peatful]

I listened to a couple podcasts on YouTube this morning, I think it was the one on Nick Lofree's channel, but it may have been Jodellefit's... I'm sorry I am not sure exactly as I listened to them back to back.

Thx

 

[Validus]

I have been doing a high carb/low fat diet to address my diabetes. I was testing at a 170 fasting blood glucose for a while and then I added sugar and fruit for about a month. I didn't test during this time. When I tested again I was at a 500 post prandial. My fasting was 330. I have given up the sugary things and am now back to a 230 fasting. It is not going lower than that for over a week. Any suggestions on how to proceed? I have 100 lbs to lose. During that month I lost 10 lbs quite quickly for me. I felt good as well. The high BG scared me off.
I have been pretty sedentary due to my hours at work, sitting at a desk. I just changed my job and will now have more time to walk/hike.
I take metformin, some blood pressure meds, berberine, Vit D, iodine, progestene, cortinon+, Dr. Christopher's Kidney Formula.
I am wondering if the addition of the sugar and fruit contributed to increasing my metabolism, which increased lipolysis, which increased the fatty acids in my blood, which contributed to more insulin resistance...or, considering the weight loss, has it increased my insulin sensitivity? Do I keep going? My instinct is to slow down the sugar and focus on the more complex carbs.
Thank you.

I haven't read the entire thread, but your problem stems from your high levels of adiposity. Lose the fat it sounds like you know you need to lose and your fasting blood sugar should return to normal levels. Having higher levels of body fat creates so many problems. Almost all diets within reason are only as effective as their capacity to help you sustain a caloric deficit and lose body fat. That should be your number one priority. Once you drop the 100 lbs, I would bet the farm all of your health markers improve drastically.

Most people need some kind of metric to ensure theyre in a deficit of calories every day, whether it being a pre-designed meal plan (this worked for my wife), counting calories/macros with weighing & measuring your own food (as a former bodybuilder, this is what I use) or even a point system that my Mom found effective.

 

[Katelove]

An update: I have been low fat/high carb since May. I was losing about 5 lbs a month. I was feeling pretty well except for a few things. I don't think I am getting enough protein on this diet. I have poor mental recall and my muscles are getting smaller and smaller. Quite achey (ache-ing joints). The weight loss is encouraging buy my blood sugars are astronomical. Over 300 fasted. It seems to be gettting worse.
I have decided to add more protein. I think I want to ditch this plan all together in hopes to bring the BG down. Not sure if I have become Type 1 or not...need a C-Peptide test.
Bummer.

 

[Katelove]

I haven't read the entire thread, but your problem stems from your high levels of adiposity. Lose the fat it sounds like you know you need to lose and your fasting blood sugar should return to normal levels. Having higher levels of body fat creates so many problems. Almost all diets within reason are only as effective as their capacity to help you sustain a caloric deficit and lose body fat. That should be your number one priority. Once you drop the 100 lbs, I would bet the farm all of your health markers improve drastically.

Most people need some kind of metric to ensure theyre in a deficit of calories every day, whether it being a pre-designed meal plan (this worked for my wife), counting calories/macros with weighing & measuring your own food (as a former bodybuilder, this is what I use) or even a point system that my Mom found effective.

I was losing weight very well on this plan...but my fasting blood sugar has gotten higher (over 300)...do you think it is safe to stay on this until I lose the weight?

 

[Dolomite]

The Mastering Diabetes authors say that blood sugars may be scary for several months but if you have been at this for 3 months it would seem that the blood sugars should fall. They say to eat enough at three meals to not have to snack.

This thread Does Your Liver Have Insulin Resistance? | Solving Hepatic Insulin Resistance And Glycogen Issues includes a video by Tim Berzins from Amplified Vitalitiy that might be of interest to you. He mentions that low fat, lean protein and starch (not fruit with fructose) can help the liver and that can help your blood sugar.

 

[Katelove]

The Mastering Diabetes authors say that blood sugars may be scary for several months but if you have been at this for 3 months it would seem that the blood sugars should fall. They say to eat enough at three meals to not have to snack.

This thread Does Your Liver Have Insulin Resistance? | Solving Hepatic Insulin Resistance And Glycogen Issues includes a video by Tim Berzins from Amplified Vitalitiy that might be of interest to you. He mentions that low fat, lean protein and starch (not fruit with fructose) can help the liver and that can help your blood sugar.

Hi Dolomite. Thank you for this reply. I will check this out. I have been doing this for more than 3 months. That is why I started to question it...not to mention some cognitive issues (some say this is a post-COVID reaction, I am not sure)...and some muscle wasting on such low protein.

 

[Dolomite]

Hi Dolomite. Thank you for this reply. I will check this out. I have been doing this for more than 3 months. That is why I started to question it...not to mention some cognitive issues (some say this is a post-COVID reaction, I am not sure)...and some muscle wasting on such low protein.

Hi Katelove, I tried a low fat, low protein diet for about a month and didn't think it helped my digestion or energy so I can understand that you feel like your muscles are wasting. I hope the video by Tim Berzins can give you some ideas.

 

[Katelove]

Hi Katelove, I tried a low fat, low protein diet for about a month and didn't think it helped my digestion or energy so I can understand that you feel like your muscles are wasting. I hope the video by Tim Berzins can give you some ideas.

Yes! I am very grateful you posted it. It makes a lot of sense that it would be hepatic insulin resistance. I am going to add the lean protein and stay low fat. Also add some liver supporting supplements, milk thistle, choline and drink dandelion tea.

 

[youngsinatra]

Do you consult with a doctor / endocrinologist?

Those blood glucose readings are very concerning to me.

 

[Katelove]

Do you consult with a doctor / endocrinologist?

Those blood glucose readings are very concerning to me.

Yes. My MD is aware.

 

[Jonk]

Just wondering, have you checked your PTH and vit D? Not that I'm knowledgeable on the subject, but seems like one of the most basic "peaty" things to explore.

 

[Katelove]

Just wondering, have you checked your PTH and vit D? Not that I'm knowledgeable on the subject, but seems like one of the most basic "peaty" things to explore.

I don't even know what PTH is...parathyroid? I have not checked it. But my Vit D is low for sure.

 

[Jonk]

I don't even know what PTH is...parathyroid? I have not checked it. But my Vit D is low for sure.

Yes exactly. I am currently reading up about PTH myself, and just a quick google search shows there can be a correlation between high PTH and fasting blood glucose. For example:

Increased parathyroid hormone is associated with higher fasting glucose in individuals with normocalcemic primary hyperparathyroidism and prediabetes: A pilot study - PubMed

Individuals with NPHPT and prediabetes present an unfavorable glycemic profile compared to age-matched people with prediabetes, suggesting a direct adverse effect of elevated PTH on glucose homeostasis.

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

"Conclusions: Individuals with NPHPT and prediabetes present an unfavorable glycemic profile compared to age-matched people with prediabetes, suggesting a direct adverse effect of elevated PTH on glucose homeostasis."

Easy way to lower PTH is to eat calcium. I believe I might have had trouble getting enough calcium because of dairy sensitivity. Right now I take it from coral calcium supplement in OJ and seems to work really well. Haven't checked my PTH but figured calcium is super safe anyway. Subjectively feels great taking it.

Came across this:
Calcium carbonate works on empty stomach + optimal timing for lowering parathyroid hormone
"They gave men 500mg x2 or 1000mg elemental calcium from a calcium carbonate supplement, on an empty stomach. Looking at the chart & table both 500mg doses and 1000mg doses dramatically lowered parathyroid hormone starting soon after intake".

Just thought I'd share, might be applicable to you, might not.

 

[Katelove]

Yes exactly. I am currently reading up about PTH myself, and just a quick google search shows there can be a correlation between high PTH and fasting blood glucose. For example:

Increased parathyroid hormone is associated with higher fasting glucose in individuals with normocalcemic primary hyperparathyroidism and prediabetes: A pilot study - PubMed

Individuals with NPHPT and prediabetes present an unfavorable glycemic profile compared to age-matched people with prediabetes, suggesting a direct adverse effect of elevated PTH on glucose homeostasis.

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

"Conclusions: Individuals with NPHPT and prediabetes present an unfavorable glycemic profile compared to age-matched people with prediabetes, suggesting a direct adverse effect of elevated PTH on glucose homeostasis."

Easy way to lower PTH is to eat calcium. I believe I might have had trouble getting enough calcium because of dairy sensitivity. Right now I take it from coral calcium supplement in OJ and seems to work really well. Haven't checked my PTH but figured calcium is super safe anyway. Subjectively feels great taking it.

Came across this:
Calcium carbonate works on empty stomach + optimal timing for lowering parathyroid hormone
"They gave men 500mg x2 or 1000mg elemental calcium from a calcium carbonate supplement, on an empty stomach. Looking at the chart & table both 500mg doses and 1000mg doses dramatically lowered parathyroid hormone starting soon after intake".

Just thought I'd share, might be applicable to you, might not.

Thank you. This is something I will look into. I am starting to eat dairy again, although low fat. Interesting.