Bingeing On Porn

[rei]

Do you actually think ejaculating to much can't have any negative effects? Anything in excess is going to do bad to the body .. when I ejaculate to much I get bad hard flaccid and my flaccid penis will shrink up real bad and no it's not all In my head, so why would ejaculating do this if it isn't bad? Why does my head start to itch after ejaculating it will itch for about 3 days and then stop what would cause this ? I do much better not ejaculating I've tested this many times without fail.

Sounds like you have not been spreading all the ejaculate on the head. Did you give some to your GF or mama?

 

[Jing]

Sounds like you have not been spreading all the ejaculate on the head. Did you give some to your GF or mama?

Found the compulsive masterbater.

 

[lampofred]

I'll humor you and record temps and pulse.

Ok. If you measure temps and pulse at the same time of day for 8 days, no orgasm for the first 7 days and then an hour or so after an orgasm or two on the 8th day once the adrenaline wears off, with everything else being the same every day for as much as possible (calories, sleep time, macros, any supplements if you take any, etc.), and you find that there is no noticeable drop on the 8th day compared to the 2nd half of the abstinent week, I will admit I am wrong about masturbation and agree that if you are healthy, it won't have any negative effect on you.

 

[ilikecats]

Androgens have been shown to increase the AR density though, you have a very simplistic view of "receptors".
Interesting too:
Increased estrogen receptor alpha immunoreactivity in the forebrain of sexually satiated rats.

It’s about the overall effect on the organism... I’ve seen studies that caffiene increases serotonin receptor density... is it serotonergic? No. “Simplistic”... sure dude... please explain to me your view of receptors. I explained one known phenomenon relating to receptors that could explain the results of the study jing posted. It was backed up by the fact that sex has been proven to raise testosterone, which makes the mechanism very plausible. In fact I’ve seen studies showing test increases while just anticipating sex, while watching porn and while just thinking about sex. But my position isn’t that it’s this intensely androgenic thing. Just that saying that claiming sex or masturbation is anti androgenic is ridiculous.

 

[lampofred]

Orgasm does increase androgenic activity (that's probably why there are less androgen receptors in satiated rats) but it drastically lowers progesterone. I think the decrease in progesterone is far more harmful than any benefits from the increase in androgenic activity.

 

[Jing]

It’s about the overall effect on the organism... I’ve seen studies that caffiene increases serotonin receptor density... is it serotonergic? No. “Simplistic”... sure dude... please explain to me your view of receptors. I explained one known phenomenon relating to receptors that could explain the results of the study jing posted. It was backed up by the fact that sex has been proven to raise testosterone, which makes the mechanism very plausible. In fact I’ve seen studies showing test increases while just anticipating sex, while watching porn and while just thinking about sex. But my position isn’t that it’s this intensely androgenic thing. Just that saying that claiming sex or masturbation is anti androgenic is ridiculous.

If caffeine increases serotonin receptor density it's because it lowers serotonin and the body is compensating by increasing density of receptors.. ejaculating will increase testosterone for a breif moment which will then downregulate androgen receptors so the increase In testosterone doesn't mean nothing .. and it's not just testosterone dopamine also gets downregulated.

 

[ilikecats]

@lampofred come on dude. Any evidence? A paper, a blood test? That slipped through the cracks on Ray? He’s drastically lowering his favorite hormone perhaps daily? The one he’s been researching for over 50 years and did his doctoral thesis on? Not just Ray but the whole scientific community let that slip through the cracks? Progesterones maybe the most important hormone in the body....

 

[redsun]

Ok. If you measure temps and pulse at the same time of day for 8 days, no orgasm for the first 7 days and then an hour or so after an orgasm or two on the 8th day once the adrenaline wears off, with everything else being the same every day for as much as possible (calories, sleep time, macros, any supplements if you take any, etc.), and you find that there is no noticeable drop on the 8th day compared to the 2nd half of the abstinent week, I will admit I am wrong about masturbation and agree that if you are healthy, it won't have any negative effect on you.

Cake. Alright I will start tomorrow the 11th, and report back on the 19th with all the data. I will check temps and pulse at noon on the dot for the 7 days and then on the 8th day an hour or two after.

 

[ilikecats]

@Jing cool thanks for cracking the code on receptors dude. The effects of caffeine are still functionally anti-serotonergic. Just because serotonin receptor density increases doesn’t mean that it just cancels the anti serotonin effect out. Same with sex testosterone and androgen receptors... you seem to mostly care about anecdotes so how about the anecdotes of most men in the world feel like they can conquer the world after cumming inside a beautiful women. Stronger, calmer more confident. There’s just no evidence or no reasonable mechanisms or logic behind it being anti-androgenic. And I’m certainly not saying that if you don’t ejaculate you can’t have high testosterone.

 

[baccheion]

Based on a study, 1-2 times increases testosterone/androgens (and estrogens for a net-nothing effect). More or going to exhaustion (ie, lasting a long time) then starts lowering androgen receptors and increasing feminine hormones. Adding zinc and other vitamins/minerals buffers against many negative effects.

Masturbating to porn is negative for some, due to addicting nature and dopamine receptor downregulation.

 

[Jing]

@Jing cool thanks for cracking the code on receptors dude. The effects of caffeine are still functionally anti-serotonergic. Just because serotonin receptor density increases doesn’t mean that it just cancels the anti serotonin effect out. Same with sex testosterone and androgen receptors... you seem to mostly care about anecdotes so how about the anecdotes of most men in the world feel like they can conquer the world after cumming inside a beautiful women. Stronger, calmer more confident. There’s just no evidence or no reasonable mechanisms or logic behind it being anti-androgenic. And I’m certainly not saying that if you don’t ejaculate you can’t have high testosterone.

Well you keep saying it's not bad but I always feel worse after ejaculating in many aspects so whatever you say doesn't matter .. it makes no sense why it would only be bad for me because I'm unhealthy, being unhealthy just let's me feel the negative parts from it more .. do you know how many times I have had similar conversations with people who smoke, they insist smoking isn't that bad because they feel no negative from it but just because their bodies can handle the stress from smoking doesn't make it good or not bad.

 

[ilikecats]

@Jing well okay if that’s your opinion, but if you keep bringing points up in a debate fashion I’m going to try to rebuttal that ***t. I think I only said one single thing about my own experience and that had do with its effect on my temps and pulse so I don’t see the similarity between me and your friends arguments and I don’t thinking comparing smoking to ejaculating is reasonable.

 

[Jing]

@Jing well okay if that’s your opinion, but if you keep bringing points up in a debate fashion I’m going to try to rebuttal that ***t. I think I only said one single thing about my own experience and that had do with its effect on my temps and pulse so I don’t see the similarity between me and your friends arguments and I don’t thinking comparing smoking to ejaculating is reasonable.

Im just saying lots of people say smoking isn't bad because they don't feel the negatives it's the same to me as people who say ejaculating isn't bad because they don't feel the negatives.

 

[schultz]

Why does my head start to itch after ejaculating it will itch for about 3 days and then stop what would cause this ? I do much better not ejaculating I've tested this many times without fail.

Because you're not healthy?

Secondly, how can you make such universal generalizations, or even a rationally justifiable empirical conclusion in the miniscule context of your own life, based on a single experiment?

This makes sense to me. It depends on the person.

Well said, it's crazy to think something with so much pleasure won't have consequences.

If by consequences you mean negative ones, then this is an odd way to think.

Ejaculation isn't mild.. I'm not just talking about masterbation I'm talking about ejaculating regardless if having sex or not .. and everything you listed you think in excess it would still be good for you?

Are we talking about excessive ejaculation or just ejaculation in general? I am getting confused.

 

[Jing]

Because you're not healthy?

Exactly so I feel the negative effects much more than a healthy person.. this is what no one is understanding, someone who is unhealthy will feel the negatives of everything more than someone who is healthy, but just because the healthy person doesn't feel the negatives doesn't mean it is bad it just means their bodies are healthy enough to deal with the stress on the body, but that will not last forever.

If by consequences you mean negative ones, then this is an odd way to think.

How is it an odd way to think? Things that bring pleasure will mostly always end up with negative consequences, the human body is not supposed to have constant pleasure.

Are we talking about excessive ejaculation or just ejaculation in general? I am getting confused.

I am talking about excessive.

 

[lvysaur]

nofap is reverse causation. Fewer orgasms don't make you healthier, but rather being healthy means you have lesser need to orgasm.

Thus when a person is able to take on nofap with little effort, he was already healthy to begin with, which is where the testimonials come from.

Your sexuality in a relationship is different (and more flexible, less urgent) from when single. Even interacting with females tampers the sex obsession IMO

 

[Goobz]

This thread:

 

[Goobz]

In all seriousness though, I think porn is the thing that has the greatest effects on the brain, masturbation may be secondary but also important. Regardless of psychology. I'm pretty sure there are brain studies showing the dopamine dysregulation from compulsive porn use mirrors whats seen in drug addiction, and the total dopamine released was similar to that of cocaine, from memory.

 

[schultz]

Exactly so I feel the negative effects much more than a healthy person.. this is what no one is understanding, someone who is unhealthy will feel the negatives of everything more than someone who is healthy, but just because the healthy person doesn't feel the negatives doesn't mean it is bad it just means their bodies are healthy enough to deal with the stress on the body, but that will not last forever.

That makes sense. It's difficult to argue with someones personal experience and there is no reason to doubt it.

How is it an odd way to think? Things that bring pleasure will mostly always end up with negative consequences, the human body is not supposed to have constant pleasure.

It just seems overly broad. I get immense pleasure in watching my children play. Do you think there are negative consequences to this pleasure?

I am talking about excessive.

There is probably something wrong with someone who masturbates excessively. I think most people agree with that.

 

[Jing]

It just seems overly broad. I get immense pleasure in watching my children play. Do you think there are negative consequences to this pleasure?

It depends on the level of pleasure, like pleasure that changes your consciousness will be damaging.