Bill Still's candidacy

Discussion in 'Political Talk, Alternative World Theories' started by Lofihi, Jan 17, 2013.

  1. Lofihi

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    Anyone else heard of this guy. I like his ideas.
     
  2. burtlancast

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    Still is a gatekeeper advocating a new fiat currency and working against the gold and silver mouvement.
    His documentary " The moneymasters" has been pretty badly exposed by Edward Griffin ( http://www.freedomforceinternational.or ... =meetstill).

    Furthermore, Still claims arabs were responsable for 911.

    Stay away from the guy.
     
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    Arabs responsible for that is laughable, I didnt know any of these things, and will look at them . thomas schauf was running in 2000 but went off the.grid,i assumed still was tom's "designate"
     
  4. montmorency

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    I don't know who Edward Griffin is, but Bill Still's views on money seem pretty sound to me.

    For a different, but related (UK) approach, have a look at PositiveMoney dot org .


    The problem is not Fiat money, but that the ability to create our money supply has been given to unelected, unaccountable bankers.
     
  5. j.

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    So increasing the money supply democratically is ok? Stealing when approved by majorities is ok?
     
  6. burtlancast

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    Then i'm sorry for you.

     
  7. 4peatssake

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    I have no pony is this race but to be fair, Still does have a rebuttal to Griffith's criticism of him and his views.

    Bill Still refutes G. Edward Griffin on Economics

    What I find very sad is that even those who understand there exist tremendous corruption cannot come together in any measure of unity and strength to deal with the actual problem.

    Instead they expend their energy fighting one another and the corruption plays on. Makes you wonder about their real motives doesn't it?
     
  8. burtlancast

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    He did write a rebuttal, you're absolutely right, but ,as i wrote on another forum, it was just a big, fat pack of lies for the sake of saving face:


    Actually, the correct text from Article 1, section 8 is :
    So, in order to respond to Griffin's arguments, Still is reduced at falsifying words from the constitution in his rebuttal.

    Why ?

    Anyone who read Griffin's book knows he went to great lenghts in explaining the difference between COINING money and CREATING it.
    Coining means regulating the amount of metals in the coin; it does not mean at all creating money .
    The constitution reserves the right to create money to the states and forbids it to the governament.
    Section 10 also stipulates states CAN NOT make anything other than gold and silver LEGAL tender (meaning people [the free market] can use whatever they want as currency BUT, legally, gold and silver are the official currency).

    Since Still proposes the creation of a new fiat currency by the governament, he needs people to believe the constitution allows it, when in reality it's the complete opposite.

    So he wrote this farce hoping nobody read Griffin's book.
     
  9. 4peatssake

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    And the Band Played On
     
  10. burtlancast

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    :D

    As they say, the devil is in the details. ;)
     
  11. 4peatssake

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    You bet he is. Making sure everyone keeps fighting among themselves so no real change is ever possible.
    People don't even realize they are fitting perfectly into the plan.
    They no longer know how to properly ponder what is unfolding all around them and fail to realize they are simply playing out the roles that were created for them. They've swallowed the blue pill but think they chose the red.
     
  12. burtlancast

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    One first needs to find someone he knows for a fact tells the truth, amongst the tens and tens of disinformants placed there to send you down the wrong path, telling 90% truth and mixing it with 10% lies.

    Griffin's book on the federal reserve is 700 pages big; so you really need motivation before spending one month reading it in your spare time. But that's alright, because i knew from his lectures the man has integrity.

    His work on Vit B17 is a must read.
     
  13. montmorency

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    If the money supply needs to be increased, according to the needs of the real economy, then yes, let it be increased, in order to serve the will of the people, as expressed by democratic means. I thought that's what it meant to live in a democracy. But the power to create money was handed over to the banking sector in Britain in 1694, and in the United States in 1913.

    I don't think one has to be some sort of extreme libertarian to want to question the role and actions of the banking sector, especially in recent years, given the financial crash of 2007 / 2008, and the state of most western-style economies at the present time.



    I have no idea what you mean by this. I don't approve of stealing by anyone. If you can point to where I approved of stealing, then I will eat whatever humble pie you serve me.
     
  14. montmorency

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    @burtlancast:

    Thank you for your sympathy, and the slightly more useful piece of information you repeated. I may not be wiser, but I am now a little better informed.

    Well, I don't of course know the detail of the American constitution since I live under a different and unwritten constitution, so the distinction between what the Federal government can do and what the states can do had escaped me.

    I know that Americans take their constitution very seriously, but it's different here, since no one is quite sure what's in ours and what isn't. Supposedly an advantage. But personally, I don't think yours was written in stone (literally or metaphorically), and clearly ours wasn't.

    It's not really practical to use gold and silver nowadays, even if it were advisable from a money supply point of view, which I happen to think it isn't.

    But I suspect we'll never agree on that.

    No, of course politicians aren't perfect. They are human, make mistakes and sometimes get things disastrously wrong. But with a properly functioning democracy, these things should debated and out in the open. Yes, it's true that lobbyists of all sorts have far too much power, and are killing our two democracies, but that's something we can and should change.
     
  15. j.

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    Increasing the money supply is equivalent to stealing. Increasing the money supply decreases the value of the money, but it takes a while for this effect to occur, so it's a transfer of wealth to those who use the money first, those who use the newly printed money before it lost its value, and those are usually the powerful and politically connected.

    If there is a system where the money supply can be increased at will or by the approval of a group, democratically or otherwise, then there should be no legal tender laws so people who want to protect themselves from inflation can use gold as money or other things whose supply can't be increased at will.
     
  16. j.

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    I don't think it's ok for certain actions to occur, even if they're decided by a majority, for example, killing people, stealing, restricting freedom of expression, even with the approval of a majority. Increasing the money supply is under almost all circumstances just well-disguised theft.
     
  17. burtlancast

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    Care to explain why ?
     
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