Best Topical Antifungal?

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fungal theory of baldness :
dht promotes sebum
sebum promotes bacteria growth
bacteria growth promote baldness

selsun
potassium bicarbonate
nizoral
zinc
borax - but won't dissolve in alcohol

what else?

Hi John, been following your posts for a few years and you certainly provide some very compelling theories that seem to be while not exactly running against the orthodoxy on these threads but quite correctly pointing out that despite adopting the main Peat / Peatworld / Roddy protocols (if there is such a cleary defined thing) that you still highly unlikely to experience any significant regrowth. I myself have at for the main part, arrested hairloss (a few shedding incidents excepted) and have at times seen some very minor regrowth. Yet is hardly significant.

I am convinced you are entirely correct here. I have been consuming liver for a long time now, for the vitamin a and it has reduced sebum build up on my skin, this for me was the most significant change I made.

I have at times used scalp massage and I believe this is beneficial for breaking up sebum and fibrosis, but if im honest, I lack the discipline to stick to this on a long term basis.

I have also seen temporary positive effects of topical progesterone which I think either block the DHT directly or blocks the eostrogen that somehow compels the scalp to produce DHT in response, thus creating the sebum.

I'm confident that in regular comsumption of liver, I can keep the sebum production low, however, if there are parisitical organisms on my scalp, feeding on any sebum and creating inflamation, then I am unlikely to experience significant regrowth, correct?
 
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Hi John, been following your posts for a few years and you certainly provide some very compelling theories that seem to be while not exactly running against the orthodoxy on these threads but quite correctly pointing out that despite adopting the main Peat / Peatworld / Roddy protocols (if there is such a cleary defined thing) that you still highly unlikely to experience any significant regrowth. I myself have at for the main part, arrested hairloss (a few shedding incidents excepted) and have at times seen some very minor regrowth. Yet is hardly significant.

I am convinced you are entirely correct here. I have been consuming liver for a long time now, for the vitamin a and it has reduced sebum build up on my skin, this for me was the most significant change I made.

I have at times used scalp massage and I believe this is beneficial for breaking up sebum and fibrosis, but if im honest, I lack the discipline to stick to this on a long term basis.

I have also seen temporary positive effects of topical progesterone which I think either block the DHT directly or blocks the eostrogen that somehow compels the scalp to produce DHT in response, thus creating the sebum.

I'm confident that in regular comsumption of liver, I can keep the sebum production low, however, if there are parisitical organisms on my scalp, feeding on any sebum and creating inflamation, then I am unlikely to experience significant regrowth, correct?



thanks for the response

"Malassezia yeast is inexorably related to the inflammation (folliculitis) that causes hair shedding, hair miniaturization, and hair loss in AGA. It is also directly implicated in dandruff and sebborheic dermatitis. In a nutshell Malasszia wreaks its havoc on hair by using lipase enzymes to break down sebum, causing production of Arachadonic acid. Arachadonic acid is an inflammation precursor, leading to the creation and cascade of inflammatory enzymes that have well established roles in the miniaturization of the hair follicle and the constriction of the vasculature seen in virtually all cases of AGA."

generally i just try and look for a product with zinc pyrithione, piroctone olamine and maybe salicylic acid , there are many good products that have this in them.
Sebovalis facial cream contains about 4 of the main antifungals that remove fungi and bacteria from the scalp


Taken from immortalhair

Ok I was at my GP not too long ago, an Egyptian doctor who I have been seeing for about a decade.

For the first time we spoke about my hair loss, well well fkn well.. what a surprise when that topic was brought up.

Turns out he used to work for Merck & Sharpe as a researcher back in Egypt and he was booted out for his theory on hair loss. This is no bull****.. this guy was a fkn knowledge machine. All this time!

DHT isn't the cause of hair loss is. Sebum is. This is why:

DHT triggers the glands in your follicle to overproduce sebum. Bacteria gathers in this overflow and your immune system then attacks the bacteria, INCLUDING the hair follicle with inflammation. He said it's very similar to the process of acne.

Propecia works by stopping the DHT triggering the sebum overflow. He said Propecia could make your hair worse if like me hyperandrogenicity causes the extra oil.

He said he proved this theory by putting an early stage patient on low dose accutane. He said the patient regrew hair. He said this is why Retinoid helps, not because it tackles DHT, but because it tackles the sebaceous gland and stops the production of sebum.. hence stopping the gathering of bacteria.. hence no inflammation and no immune response.

I also asked why some medications work and why some don't. He said in theory it should work for all, but there are 2 reasons it doesnt:

1. Internal drugs can cause hyperandrogenicity like I've experienced
2. Topical drugs don't reach the follicle BECAUSE of the sebum build up blocking it. He said minoxidil works best with retin-A not because retin-A helps hair loss through DHT, but helps the minoxidil flow down the follicle wall by eliminating sebum build up.

He said he never really gave it the years of research it deserves, but his theory is ultra-low-doses of Accutane stops hair loss. He said 10mg twice a week will do the job.

He said when he kept trying to push this idea through his experiments, Merck kicked him off the research team."
 
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So I was onto something with Liver as my vitamin a source (accutane being a form of synthetic vitamin a). And when I think about it, I always had forms of dandruff even years back and my scalp wasn't in a great condition until I began eating liver. 2-3 times a year I'd have to buy an anti-dandruff shampoo to settle it down.
 
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So whats becoming obvious is that I need to use something to break down the sebum, then something to kill off the bacteria and the fungus.

I'm thinking of a protocol, please give me your opinion:

1) Liver and vitamin A supplementation - continuous throughout.

2) Scalp massage to break up sebum, sauna and steaming to open pores and polysorbate 80 to clean the pores.

3) Antibacterials like MB and Iodine and maybe Tea Tree Oil as a short term Blitzkreig opener

4) More long term application of Philip Kingsley Hair Tonic and/or Sebova Hair solution to maintain the condition.
 

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It looks like he has great hair but I don't believe he had any kind of hair loss.
 
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It looks like he has great hair but I don't believe he had any kind of hair loss.


i actually posted a video of him years ago mocking him.

but his ideas are correct - this is not dht, there is more to it and he makes a good elixirf condition.


this says pircotone olamine can kill demodex though ?

"A good UK-made product which is appropriately formulated to address one of the main causes of rosacea, the human demodex mite. I have been applying it to my back every night since I bought it with an immediate soothing effect, and a gradual reduction in itching and discomfort. I chose this product because it contained piroctone olamine, a naturally occurring substance identified in US Patent US 20160287566 A1 as being able to kill the mite. We all have them, from birth apparently, and they are normally harmless and kept in control by the body's immune system, but if there are weaknesses due to temporary stress, some prescription drugs or simply to aging an over-infestation can result. It is the major human ectoparasite, which means it lives in the skin, our body's biggest organ and known to be the cause of blepharitis, rosacea and seborrhoeic dermatitis - unless you are a GP as they have not yet been informed by the specialists in Dermatology. They, my back mites I mean, probably migrated from a very long standing "incurable" scalp dandruff condition."
 

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what do you guys think about this?



the comments are very positive. it also makes sense this wouldn't blow up, because hardly anyone can put garlic on their hard for months (I could)

I have tried raw garlic yesterday, and my poop was yellow. It's never yellow. I checked what that means and read that people on antibiotics have that. So I think the internal route is powerful.

anyone want to chime in on the topical of onion, garlic, acv? does it have antifungal properties on top of antibiotic?

has anyone actually tried to ******* sterilize their scalp?

garlic is very powerful stuff.
 
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what do you guys think about this?



the comments are very positive. it also makes sense this wouldn't blow up, because hardly anyone can put garlic on their hard for months (I could)

I have tried raw garlic yesterday, and my poop was yellow. It's never yellow. I checked what that means and read that people on antibiotics have that. So I think the internal route is powerful.

anyone want to chime in on the topical of onion, garlic, acv? does it have antifungal properties on top of antibiotic?

has anyone actually tried to ******* sterilize their scalp?

garlic is very powerful stuff.


Wow, interesting to hear you have such profound responses from garlic. Was this one raw clove chewed first thing in the morning, or how did you go about dosing it? Thanks!
 

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Wow, interesting to hear you have such profound responses from garlic. Was this one raw clove chewed first thing in the morning, or how did you go about dosing it? Thanks!
i had 2 small pieces (you know what I mean) like an hour after dinner before bed.
felt very very slightly sick in the morning, but barely noticable. I would recommend you to work yourself up. Dosage is probably key and it's hard on the gut for sure.

I think one very big piece can already be too much, hard to say. Probably depends on how much you ate as well.

The garlic wasn't that powerful in comparison to other garlic I had as well.
 
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i actually posted a video of him years ago mocking him.

"A good UK-made product which is appropriately formulated to address one of the main causes of rosacea, the human demodex mite. I have been applying it to my back every night since I bought it with an immediate soothing effect, and a gradual reduction in itching and discomfort. I chose this product because it contained piroctone olamine, a naturally occurring substance identified in US Patent US 20160287566 A1 as being able to kill the mite. We all have them, from birth apparently, and they are normally harmless and kept in control by the body's immune system, but if there are weaknesses due to temporary stress, some prescription drugs or simply to aging an over-infestation can result. It is the major human ectoparasite, which means it lives in the skin, our body's biggest organ and known to be the cause of blepharitis, rosacea and seborrhoeic dermatitis - unless you are a GP as they have not yet been informed by the specialists in Dermatology. They, my back mites I mean, probably migrated from a very long standing "incurable" scalp dandruff condition."

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So is good old Head and Shoulders best or can you recommend a UK product?
 

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Topical magnesium chloride, Lugol's iodine, and chaparral tincture (separately) consistently nuked tinea versicolor on my neck and chest, and tinea pedis, the few times I've had them.
 
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So is good old Head and Shoulders best or can you recommend a UK product?

Ducray Dandruff Lotion

waterclouds scalp tonic

Kingsley scalp toner


Lotions are better than shampoos because you can just do drops on your head and it is much quicker and more potent.
I do not recommend shampoos, rather just take the direct ingredient in a liquid bottle of alcohol like the above products.
 
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Ducray Dandruff Lotion

waterclouds scalp tonic

Kingsley scalp toner


Lotions are better than shampoos because you can just do drops on your head and it is much quicker and more potent.
I do not recommend shampoos, rather just take the direct ingredient in a liquid bottle of alcohol like the above products.
Cheers for that :):
 

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Ducray Dandruff Lotion

waterclouds scalp tonic

Kingsley scalp toner


Lotions are better than shampoos because you can just do drops on your head and it is much quicker and more potent.
I do not recommend shampoos, rather just take the direct ingredient in a liquid bottle of alcohol like the above products.

Which of these three do you think has the most potent ingredients v yeast/fungus?
 
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Which of these three do you think has the most potent ingredients v yeast/fungus?

Kingsley scalp toner is just piroctone olamine in alcohol, which will work.

Watercoulds scalp tonic is
Ingredients: Aqua, Alchol, Polyquaternium-47, Behentrimonium Chloride, Climbazole, Piroctone Olamine, Menthol, Hydroxypropyl Guar, Salicylic acid, Citric Acid.

The climbazole is comparable to nizoral, the salicilic acid is beneficial too and it also has piroctone olamine.

Either one is good.


 
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Sesderma Sebovalis Hair Solution

has

lithium gluconate
piroctone olamine
climbazole

salicylic acid
even glycyrrhetinic acid that travis recommended for cortisol
 

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Sesderma Sebovalis Hair Solution

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lithium gluconate
piroctone olamine
climbazole

salicylic acid
even glycyrrhetinic acid that travis recommended for cortisol

I know it's not sexy, but coconut oil is a potent anti-fungal (via lauric and caprylic acid), and progest-e is probably the most potent cortisol antagonist. I don't think you need to look much farther than this for a topical. Coconut oil also is great to restore hair protein, and in women, massaging the scalp with coconut oil and then rinsing gives luxuriant hair.

There are other options like peppermint oil and clove oil, but why not stick with something simple, long term. Not many people do that.

Just my 2c.
 
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I know it's not sexy, but coconut oil is a potent anti-fungal (via lauric and caprylic acid), and progest-e is probably the most potent cortisol antagonist. I don't think you need to look much farther than this for a topical. Coconut oil also is great to restore hair protein, and in women, massaging the scalp with coconut oil and then rinsing gives luxuriant hair.

There are other options like peppermint oil and clove oil, but why not stick with something simple, long term. Not many people do that.

Just my 2c.

there is something on the scalp that turns sebum, especially saturated fat into PUFA. look at my other posts for the full explanation. it's also connected to heart disease.

Does Fungal Infection Cause Male Pattern Baldness and Heart Disease? - Rogue Health and Fitness
 

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there is something on the scalp that turns sebum, especially saturated fat into PUFA. look at my other posts for the full explanation. it's also connected to heart disease.

Does Fungal Infection Cause Male Pattern Baldness and Heart Disease? - Rogue Health and Fitness

Yes but lauric acid and caprylic acid should take care of any fungal activity.

Edit: My mistake it seems for malassezia specifically caprylic acid is very good but lauric acid might not be good for this specific fungi, so MCT probably better choice but I will dig a bit deeper. Interesting topic. Lauric acid is so good internally, and MCT oil causes problems taken orally, it might be different topically.
 
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