Been Diagnosed With Peyronies

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I’ve been diagnosed with a mild form of Peyronies disease in the penis, just a small bit of thickening from ULTRASOUND which is not felt by hand and is apparently very small. I’ve noticed deformity and thinning of certain areas in recent months, not extreme, things even out more when fully erect but when semi erect and after ejaculation I have curvature and deformity and pain in the penis.

I’ve had ED problems for years following an injury i had years back which also caused thinning/pain at the time but then stabilised, in recent months it seems i could have re flared this up hence why i am noticing new thinning/pain etc.




I’ve done a lot of research on this condition and the best things for it seems to be pentoxifylline (trental) 400mg 3x a day, L-Arginine 500mg once a day, Cialis one before bed and then using a vacuum erection device daily to induce an erection. I went to the best urologist possible in my area recently who confirmed that i need to take the combo above which he has prescribed for me. I think the goal behind it all is to get as much oxygen rich blood as possible into the penis help the thickening and remodel it potentially.


Look I know taking these things are not great at all and i’m really not keen on them but I’ve got to weigh things up, I don’t want the penis to thin anymore and I want to be able to have sex and not worry about my weak erections, it’s known that a weaker erection is more prone to damage/injury/further progression of Pey during intercourse, I’ve avoided sexual intercourse for a while now due to all this.




1: Is Pentox safe? is there side effects anyone here knows of with it and whats the maximum amount of time to take it for? (From research it seems pretty harmless, but also have heard it can suppress the immune system which is obviously not great). I’ve been prescribed it for 3 months, i’m happy to take it if it can help and the results are permanent even after the 3 months.

2: How bad really is taking Cialis (Or tadalafil specifically), I’ve been told one every night, now i don’t think i’ll do that but i’d be happy to take one, once a week or every time i have intercourse? Maybe after i’ve been out having a few drinks and i meet a girl, How bad can that be?

3: Anyone know anything much of VED devices? From a search of this, it seems some people are further damaged by these devices so i’m scared to use it and make things worse.



My plan has been to start with L-Citrulline/L-Arginine, see how they go, maybe add in VED and then maybe add in Traction, and if L-citrulline is not successful for an erection then jump on to Cialis when having intercourse.




PS: I’m 24 years old. I’ve had ALLLL types of blood tests: Hormonal etc to determine other factors and all of them are in place. My ED problems probably come from this issue i’ve described and I’ve tried alllll types of diets, obviously the Ray peat diet for year etc
 
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Yes, get and use the penis pump for 5 minutes 3 times a day. Look up proteolytic enzymes here and start using those. Androvacuum is a good unit. You can use a c**k ring to have intercourse for up to 30 minutes safely.

I'm not going to encourage anyone to use l-citrulline or l-arginine as I think they are harmful. Or Cialis et al.

250000 units of serrapeptase or some similar enzymes over several months can fix this I think along with the penis pump.
 

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I never heard of serrapeptase but I’m very interested in a natural anti inflammatory for neck pain. Glad I clicked this @ecstatichamster thanks

for the OP, I’ve used a bathmate pump as being in a warm shower is the best time to stretch penile tissue. You don’t have to be erect and you can control the pressure, so it could help and You can use very little pressure so it’s not aggressive. I might even start using it again now my other issue is repaired. Still, it’ll get blood flow to the penis with warm water so it’s good.

I never had an issue with the vasolidators you mentioned and I go decently higher dosages like 3 to 6G L Arginine as I don’t think you’ll get any benefits from 500mg. I’ve gone higher too. I never knew them to be bad.

I also previously researched aescin which is from horse chestnut. I personally like topical products for penile skin rather than the systemic product like pentox. I’m not a doctor so don’t take my advice but see about adding aescin as it’s been used for this before.

As far as cialis, that’s actually strong stuff. Idk why they have 25mg pills. You can find liquid form and literally used a couple drops under the tongue which would be at most 2.5mg before bed EOD. It’ll have the effect needed to stimulate extra nighttime tumulescense. I get a weird pain in my legs so I can’t use it.

finally, look into straight dmso. It’ll pass the skin and can relieve the scar tissue over time. You’ll apply it right where it’s hard and goto bed. It should help break down the scar tissue.

oh and be consistent. It’ll take weeks to see the slightest impact so do things in 4 to 8 week cycles and reassess. And if it’s working, don’t come on here changing things up with new advices. It could take years to heal but you can do some high D3 with K2 and maybe come back bigger (there’s a thread about that too on here)
 
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Yes, get and use the penis pump for 5 minutes 3 times a day. Look up proteolytic enzymes here and start using those. Androvacuum is a good unit. You can use a c**k ring to have intercourse for up to 30 minutes safely.

I'm not going to encourage anyone to use l-citrulline or l-arginine as I think they are harmful. Or Cialis et al.

250000 units of serrapeptase or some similar enzymes over several months can fix this I think along with the penis pump.


Okay great, I'll definitely get on the VED.

With regards to L Cit/Cialis etc, I'm really not a fan and I'd never even think i'd have to ask the question but as i've got this condition now, having intercourse without a 90+ erection is super dangerous for me. How bad really is 1-2 week use of it?
 
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I never heard of serrapeptase but I’m very interested in a natural anti inflammatory for neck pain. Glad I clicked this @ecstatichamster thanks

for the OP, I’ve used a bathmate pump as being in a warm shower is the best time to stretch penile tissue. You don’t have to be erect and you can control the pressure, so it could help and You can use very little pressure so it’s not aggressive. I might even start using it again now my other issue is repaired. Still, it’ll get blood flow to the penis with warm water so it’s good.

I never had an issue with the vasolidators you mentioned and I go decently higher dosages like 3 to 6G L Arginine as I don’t think you’ll get any benefits from 500mg. I’ve gone higher too. I never knew them to be bad.

I also previously researched aescin which is from horse chestnut. I personally like topical products for penile skin rather than the systemic product like pentox. I’m not a doctor so don’t take my advice but see about adding aescin as it’s been used for this before.

As far as cialis, that’s actually strong stuff. Idk why they have 25mg pills. You can find liquid form and literally used a couple drops under the tongue which would be at most 2.5mg before bed EOD. It’ll have the effect needed to stimulate extra nighttime tumulescense. I get a weird pain in my legs so I can’t use it.

finally, look into straight dmso. It’ll pass the skin and can relieve the scar tissue over time. You’ll apply it right where it’s hard and goto bed. It should help break down the scar tissue.

oh and be consistent. It’ll take weeks to see the slightest impact so do things in 4 to 8 week cycles and reassess. And if it’s working, don’t come on here changing things up with new advices. It could take years to heal but you can do some high D3 with K2 and maybe come back bigger (there’s a thread about that too on here)


Oh interesting! So have you got Pey?

Nah I don't think their as bad as what people state here, especially for anyone who has got some Pey, the risk of having intercourse without a full erection is not worth it.

Oh and the dose i've been prescribed is 2.5mg for Cialis. So i'm really confused on this bit, Whats the benefit to taking it every night before bed? Is it just to get that extra blood flow into the penis to help with thickening? Could i take it for a few months and then stop and what ever good effects it has had, will stay and i wont be reliant on it or anything?

Oh and thanks a lot for the response mate!
 
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If pain is an issue Acetyl L-Carnitine helps, (ALC) get it with Alpha Lipoic Acid (ALA) included in the supplement, 1000mg x 2 day.

Become a member of Peyronies Society Forums - Index as it is a mine of information, my membership name is paolo :):
You must (for your mental health) compartmentalize your time there as you can quickly become obsessed and get dragged down a Rabbit hole of despair, not joking!
I quite literally woke up one morning with this s**t! and knew straightaway what it was.
It appears Peyronie's has an auto-immune aspect to it also.

If you go down the VED route consider the SOMA Correct (it has 3 cylinders) and use a cheap medical lubricant, also read Vacuum Erection Devices (VEDs) for Peyronie's Disease - PDS - Peyronies Society Forums
https://www.mypelvichealth.co.uk/me...nual-2013-with-peyronies-instructions-web.pdf

I have communicated often with a member called 'monty' on the PDS site, he is a nice guy and you may want to consider contacting him sometime in the future. There is also a member called NeoV who has some info here https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCjX1naIryWc6pennKOHWbgg
This guy is just a great person in general and I am sure you will get some insight from him.

I have used manual traction by hand carefully to (almost) completely remove my curvature, but let me just caution you here, this is a marathon and not a sprint. Ironically Peyronie's brought me here to Ray Peat Forum and better healthier nutrition has helped enormously. I have never used Pentox as I was/am keeping things natural so to speak.

Peyronie's is a real morale killer, just know that it is 'estimated' that 10% of guys have Peyronie's, it (sadly) is never going to get talked about openly as most guys (not me) feel ashamed of it.
The really sad thing is at this time nothing is a 'cure' as Peyronie's can have multiple symptoms, fibrosis, rosary bead type nodule/s, flat plaque, majority of Peyronie's affects dorsal (top) of the penis.

I wish you all the very best in dealing with this and hope you can get some relief, for me it was pain management that lifted a huge dragging mental pressure, noting the pain 'phase' can last up to 10-12 months.

If you want to message me through the PDS site feel free to do so and take care buddy :angelic:
 
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Well, like I mentioned, the nighttime tumulescense is what will stretch and heal the tissue. A healthy male has several erections over night while sleeping and that’s the time when the body is repairing. Cialis before bed or 2.5mg EOD will guarantee nighttime erections. Used with HGH, you can actually increase the size.

You won’t become reliant on that dose cialis and once the tissue heals, it should stay. As you said, if it’s peyronies from an injury, it should eventually heal as all tissue, especially penile tissue’s unique ability to stretch and heal, should be better. If you have some type of auto immune issue that’s causing issues from the inside, that’s a separate issue but could still be addressed and improved without being reliant on cialis but maybe some anti inflammatory like previously suggested.

these are just suggestions on how I would tackle it. I had an hour glass shape due to PFS issues from finasteride that I healed but was hormonal related. I still tried most of what I described. I can say it didn’t hurt but the only thing that finally helped me was a hormonal cycle but this isn’t suggested to you as you mentioned those levels were in line
 
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ultrasonic can fix Peyronies faster than anything else. You can buy the machines on eBay for US$160. Medical doctors use "gainswave" which costs a lot and probably isn't as safe as what you can do at home. At home you can gently break up the internal penile plaques, along with taking proteolytic enzymes orally for 3 or 4 months.

I personally would not use anything promoting nitric oxide (Cialis et al) as they are not safe. For instance, they cause testicle damage in normal dosages, something that has been concealed. A good study out of Iran showed it quite clearly in a rodent study.
 
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https://www.iasj.net/iasj?func=fulltext&aId=56909

Sildenafil citrate (Viagra) is an oral medication used to treat male impotence by the inhibition of phosphodiesterase-5 in the corpus cavernosum and subsequent facilitation of penile erection. The side effects of sildenafil citrate have been reported. The present study was designed to investigate the effect of long term administration of sildenafil citrate on some characteristics (sperm count, sperm malformations) and testis architecture of male rats. The results indicated that the oral administration of 50 mg and 100 mg of suldinafil citrate (Viagra) for 8 weeks caused a significant decreased and a significant increased in sperm count and sperm malformations respectively. The results were showed the histopathological changes in testis of male rats treated with 50 mg and 100 mg sildenafil citrate..


This may explain why:
Opposing Roles of Nitric Oxide and cGMP in the Age-Associated Decline in Rat Testicular Steroidogenesis
The molecular mechanism of the aging-associated dysfunction of Leydig cells (LCs) is complex and poorly understood. In this study, we analyzed the contribution of nitric oxide (NO) and cGMP signaling to the age-dependent decline in LC function. Significant (>50%) decreases in serum, intratesticular, and LC androgens in aging rats (15–24 months) were accompanied by a proportional increase in NO production, an up-regulation of cGMP levels, and the expression of soluble guanylyl cyclase-1B and protein kinase G1 in LCs. In contrast, LC cAMP levels decreased with age, most likely reflecting the up-regulation of cAMP-specific phosphodiesterase expression. Moreover, the expression of genes encoding enzymes responsible for cholesterol transport and its conversion to T were reduced. Exposing LCs from aged animals to NO further increased cGMP levels and decreased cAMP and androgen production, whereas the addition of cell-permeable 8-bromoguanosine-cGMP alone had the opposite effect. In vivo inhibition of cGMP-specific phosphodiesterase-5 for 3 and 6 months in aged rats led to a partial restoration of androgens, NO, and cyclic nucleotide levels, as well as the expression of steroidogenic and NO/cGMP signaling genes. These results indicate that a progressive increase in NO production contributes to the age-dependent decrease in steroidogenesis in a cGMP-independent manner, whereas the sustained elevation in cGMP levels significantly slows the decline in LC function.

You can see how PDE5 inhibitors might be beneficial for a short time, but there are the offsetting damage that they do
 
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ultrasonic can fix Peyronies faster than anything else. You can buy the machines on eBay for US$160. Medical doctors use "gainswave" which costs a lot and probably isn't as safe as what you can do at home. At home you can gently break up the internal penile plaques, along with taking proteolytic enzymes orally for 3 or 4 months.

Source please for Ultrasonic benefits? The maker of Xiaflex (A very poor 'Gold' standard treatment) would probably be interested? I do follow your posts but let's not give 'false' hope to PD sufferers.
 
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If pain is an issue Acetyl L-Carnitine helps, (ALC) get it with Alpha Lipoic Acid (ALA) included in the supplement, 1000mg x 2 day.

Become a member of Peyronies Society Forums - Index as it is a mine of information, my membership name is paolo :):
You must (for your mental health) compartmentalize your time there as you can quickly become obsessed and get dragged down a Rabbit hole of despair, not joking!
I quite literally woke up one morning with this s**t! and knew straightaway what it was.
It appears Peyronie's has an auto-immune aspect to it also.

If you go down the VED route consider the SOMA Correct (it has 3 cylinders) and use a cheap medical lubricant, also read Vacuum Erection Devices (VEDs) for Peyronie's Disease - PDS - Peyronies Society Forums
https://www.mypelvichealth.co.uk/me...nual-2013-with-peyronies-instructions-web.pdf

I have communicated often with a member called 'monty' on the PDS site, he is a nice guy and you may want to consider contacting him sometime in the future. There is also a member called NeoV who has some info here https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCjX1naIryWc6pennKOHWbgg
This guy is just a great person in general and I am sure you will get some insight from him.

I have used manual traction by hand carefully to (almost) completely remove my curvature, but let me just caution you here, this is a marathon and not a sprint. Ironically Peyronie's brought me here to Ray Peat Forum and better healthier nutrition has helped enormously. I have never used Pentox as I was/am keeping things natural so to speak.

Peyronie's is a real morale killer, just know that it is 'estimated' that 10% of guys have Peyronie's, it (sadly) is never going to get talked about openly as most guys (not me) feel ashamed of it.
The really sad thing is at this time nothing is a 'cure' as Peyronie's can have multiple symptoms, fibrosis, rosary bead type nodule/s, flat plaque, majority of Peyronie's affects dorsal (top) of the penis.

I wish you all the very best in dealing with this and hope you can get some relief, for me it was pain management that lifted a huge dragging mental pressure, noting the pain 'phase' can last up to 10-12 months.

If you want to message me through the PDS site feel free to do so and take care buddy :angelic:


Hey mate!

I totally know what you mean with the pey forum, i've been on there for a few months and it can leave you feeling terrified!

Yeah i'm hoping to get on the VED asap, i'm just worried, i see a lot of guys on the forum actually make things worse so i'm really on the fence with it :/

My urologist has warned me against Traction for the time being and stick to what he prescribes (I really have barely any curvature when erect) ..

I'm not too keen on pentox either but it seems that it's pretty low risk, i've been really trying to find negatives on it and the only thing that i can find is that it can lower the immune system, and thats not guaranteed. Do you have any reason you are against it specifically? and also, some have said it's very similar to caffeine so would taking lots of coffee be similar??

Thanks for the response matey!
 
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Well, like I mentioned, the nighttime tumulescense is what will stretch and heal the tissue. A healthy male has several erections over night while sleeping and that’s the time when the body is repairing. Cialis before bed or 2.5mg EOD will guarantee nighttime erections. Used with HGH, you can actually increase the size.

You won’t become reliant on that dose cialis and once the tissue heals, it should stay. As you said, if it’s peyronies from an injury, it should eventually heal as all tissue, especially penile tissue’s unique ability to stretch and heal, should be better. If you have some type of auto immune issue that’s causing issues from the inside, that’s a separate issue but could still be addressed and improved without being reliant on cialis but maybe some anti inflammatory like previously suggested.

these are just suggestions on how I would tackle it. I had an hour glass shape due to PFS issues from finasteride that I healed but was hormonal related. I still tried most of what I described. I can say it didn’t hurt but the only thing that finally helped me was a hormonal cycle but this isn’t suggested to you as you mentioned those levels were in line


Oh interesting! The thing i worry about is Priapism, you know, the dreaded long erection which left too long can leave you with no **** basically, What if i was to have that erection at night and not know i was having it type of thing, is that a risk?

Thanks again for your helpful response!
 

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Invest in a Penomet water pump. Use 10 minutes a day. Phallosan is the best extender you can buy if you need to get some length back.
 
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Hey mate!

I totally know what you mean with the pey forum, i've been on there for a few months and it can leave you feeling terrified!

Yeah i'm hoping to get on the VED asap, i'm just worried, i see a lot of guys on the forum actually make things worse so i'm really on the fence with it :/

My urologist has warned me against Traction for the time being and stick to what he prescribes (I really have barely any curvature when erect) ..

I'm not too keen on pentox either but it seems that it's pretty low risk, i've been really trying to find negatives on it and the only thing that i can find is that it can lower the immune system, and thats not guaranteed. Do you have any reason you are against it specifically? and also, some have said it's very similar to caffeine so would taking lots of coffee be similar??

Thanks for the response matey!
Hey there, Pentoxifylline is primarily for poor blood flow in the arms and legs, it is used in Peyronie's as an off-label treatment, now think about that. Why would it be off-label, well because if it was the 'cure' for Peyronie's thousands and thousand of men would be cured. I have no medical background so it is entirely up to you to use it, or not. Be aware that it can cause dizziness and digestive issues (a lot of medications do). If it did have a remarkable 'effect' I would be all over it lol :):

Just way up the potential risk versus benefit before taking it for a prolonged time. IMO a basic blood thinner like Aspirin would have possible benefit (I use 'baby' aspirin 80mg) a few times a day, but please try not to mix medications as I am sure you are aware that many interactions can occur doing so.

If you go down the VED route I would urge you to do it little but often, what do I mean? Well as I mentioned previously member 'monty' on the PDS forum, by his own admission will tell you that it can become an habitual thing, and you may perceive a quick improvement as a meaning that more is 'better', right! IMO this is the fundamental mistake, impatience has consequences, right.

The SOMA Correct device is expensive, monty got a prescription or Rx for his so that might be worth discussing with your GP :smug:
It is however really the only device specifically for Peyronie's, all other pumps are for guys who, erm, have an unhealthy obsession with their d**ks lol.

The PDS forum is good but if a guy sees 'real' improvement they (rarely) update the forum about their success, that can leave you assuming regular posters are at their whit's end, I check in there myself about twice a week, no more, by the way what is your member name, if you don't mind as I would like to read your profile.

If you barely have any curvature then that is a blessing as I think guys with congenital curvature (like me) are at a 'higher' risk of Peyronie's, I wouldn't change my upward curve though as I find it works just fine ;)

By the way did your Urologist prescribe Pentox?, just curious.
A lot of companies are making good money off Peyronie's without curing it, that's depressing, there is a lot of 'snake-oil' out there so use your purchasing power wisely (do your research).
You will find that guys with Peyronie's are far more healthy lifestyle wise after the event, an unfortunate bonus if you will.

Few of the major competitors currently working in the global Peyronie’s disease treatment market are Endo Pharmaceuticals Inc, Midatech Pharma PLC, Teva Pharmaceutical Industries Ltd, Mylan N.V., Mayne Pharma Group Limited, Zydus Cadila, Sun Pharmaceutical Industries Ltd, Glenmark Pharmaceuticals Ltd, Amneal Pharmaceuticals LLC, Pfizer Inc and others.

Thanks for your reply and keep well :D
 
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Hey there, Pentoxifylline is primarily for poor blood flow in the arms and legs, it is used in Peyronie's as an off-label treatment, now think about that. Why would it be off-label, well because if it was the 'cure' for Peyronie's thousands and thousand of men would be cured. I have no medical background so it is entirely up to you to use it, or not. Be aware that it can cause dizziness and digestive issues (a lot of medications do). If it did have a remarkable 'effect' I would be all over it lol :):

Just way up the potential risk versus benefit before taking it for a prolonged time. IMO a basic blood thinner like Aspirin would have possible benefit (I use 'baby' aspirin 80mg) a few times a day, but please try not to mix medications as I am sure you are aware that many interactions can occur doing so.

If you go down the VED route I would urge you to do it little but often, what do I mean? Well as I mentioned previously member 'monty' on the PDS forum, by his own admission will tell you that it can become an habitual thing, and you may perceive a quick improvement as a meaning that more is 'better', right! IMO this is the fundamental mistake, impatience has consequences, right.

The SOMA Correct device is expensive, monty got a prescription or Rx for his so that might be worth discussing with your GP :smug:
It is however really the only device specifically for Peyronie's, all other pumps are for guys who, erm, have an unhealthy obsession with their d**ks lol.

The PDS forum is good but if a guy sees 'real' improvement they (rarely) update the forum about their success, that can leave you assuming regular posters are at their whit's end, I check in there myself about twice a week, no more, by the way what is your member name, if you don't mind as I would like to read your profile.

If you barely have any curvature then that is a blessing as I think guys with congenital curvature (like me) are at a 'higher' risk of Peyronie's, I wouldn't change my upward curve though as I find it works just fine ;)

By the way did your Urologist prescribe Pentox?, just curious.
A lot of companies are making good money off Peyronie's without curing it, that's depressing, there is a lot of 'snake-oil' out there so use your purchasing power wisely (do your research).
You will find that guys with Peyronie's are far more healthy lifestyle wise after the event, an unfortunate bonus if you will.

Few of the major competitors currently working in the global Peyronie’s disease treatment market are Endo Pharmaceuticals Inc, Midatech Pharma PLC, Teva Pharmaceutical Industries Ltd, Mylan N.V., Mayne Pharma Group Limited, Zydus Cadila, Sun Pharmaceutical Industries Ltd, Glenmark Pharmaceuticals Ltd, Amneal Pharmaceuticals LLC, Pfizer Inc and others.

Thanks for your reply and keep well :D


Yes very true about the Pentox, I think someone put together a document of peoples comments on it and i think it came to about 62% positive from it, others either had no difference or worsened (maybe, or would have got worse without it anyway), I don't think there's any mechanism to make things worse from taking it? I mean i may just try it for a few months, surprisingly Ray Peat actually says it's safe (which i was sooo shocked at), As you probably know, it's very similar to caffeine, Do you think starting to drink coffee could help?

Yes very true about people not posting success. I think most (Like myself) would like to never ever have to go back to that site if they can, and my member name is heythereyou123456, this is my history post: My history: - Peyronies Society Forums

Yes honestly the only time i notice curvature is during semi erection, It's honestly practically straight when erect, just a slight congenitial curvature which gives me no issues!

Yes, urologist did prescribe me pentox, Cialis, l-arginine and to use the VED.

Ahh right very interesting!

And thanks a lot for your helpful replies!
 
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Do you think starting to drink coffee could help?

And thanks a lot for your helpful replies!
I will take a look at your profile, meanwhile coffee is very good, not least for polyphenols. Have you never been a coffee drinker?
Coffee has more antioxidants than green or black tea, try for 2-3 cups a day IMO.
Take care.
 
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I will take a look at your profile, meanwhile coffee is very good, not least for polyphenols. Have you never been a coffee drinker?
Coffee has more antioxidants than green or black tea, try for 2-3 cups a day IMO.
Take care.

Never ever drank Coffee! But just ordered some now haha
 

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Good replies by others, but let me approach it from a root causes perspective. The root cause is fascial tension/imbalance, caused by injury or chronically deteriorated posture. This causes fascial adhesions to form as the sliding of fascia layers against each other under high tension causes mechanical damage. Fibrosis, calcification are "co-morbid" findings.

In addition to what RP says to treat this (block serotonin, estrogen, increase vitamin d, calcium etc....) A K2 supplement topically should be extremely effective. Thorne has one with ridiculous potency, rub in one drop around the area and take one drop internally. But it costs over 100 dollars per bottle. Thorne Research, Vitamin K2, 1 fl oz (30 ml) | eBay

And even then, supplements are what you consume to make healing possible, but i believe "yoga", postural exercises, rolling the pelvis, back, neck etc. where the damage is are what can cure it for good.
 
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Good replies by others, but let me approach it from a root causes perspective. The root cause is fascial tension/imbalance, caused by injury or chronically deteriorated posture. This causes fascial adhesions to form as the sliding of fascia layers against each other under high tension causes mechanical damage. Fibrosis, calcification are "co-morbid" findings.

In addition to what RP says to treat this (block serotonin, estrogen, increase vitamin d, calcium etc....) A K2 supplement topically should be extremely effective. Thorne has one with ridiculous potency, rub in one drop around the area and take one drop internally. But it costs over 100 dollars per bottle. Thorne Research, Vitamin K2, 1 fl oz (30 ml) | eBay

And even then, supplements are what you consume to make healing possible, but i believe "yoga", postural exercises, rolling the pelvis, back, neck etc. where the damage is are what can cure it for good.

very interesting! I’ve actually got a plan in place daily which I thought would help with an imbalanced pelvic floor:
-Hindi squat 5-10 mins x3 a day.
-Happy baby yoga pose.
-Keeping good posture during the day.
-Trying to do reverse kegels. Etc etc
-Tennis ball rolled on perenium.

do you have any other suggestions for yoga stuff and how to implement them?


Ooo I do actually have the throne vitamin k2 (mk4) is it safe to take 1 drop daily? It would equate to 1000mg of k2 which is quite a lot, (even though though the bottle says to take 15 drops a day).
 

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