Back to low temps and tiredness :(

bluewren

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Hi from Australia. I'm fairly new to this forum; for the last 12 months have been working on my diet and using supplements to rev up my metabolism. In 12 months my temp has gone from 35.4 C to 36.5 C, and I felt better.
Back then, my TSH was .96 (.4 to 4.0), Free T4 14.4 (9 to 19). Cholesterol was 6.8 (3.9 to 5.5) Iron 36.5 (5 to 30) and Ferritin 89 (30 to 300)

Now, after a huge diet change from Paleo to one more in keeping with this forum; (milk, cheese, eggs, sugar, liver, gelatin, o/j, carrot salad), and using Cytomel (one tablet daily divided into 6ths) and Cynoplus (1/4th tablet morning and night), I find my blood results not so good, and I am cold again, and so tired! And overweight!

August 2014
Cholesterol 5.8 (good), TSH 0.01 (good), free T4 8.6 (low) Free T3 6.5 ( high) RT3 152 (range 140 to 540) Iron 26.2 (good), Ferritin 21 (low).

My query is, do I cut back on the Cytomel, and slightly increase the Cynoplus, whilst continuing to note temp and pulse? Any thoughts and suggestions gratefully received!
 

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The way i understand RP views, you numbers are quite good.
RP recommends total T3 and total T4 measurements.
Ideally total T3 should be higher than normal range and T4 should
at the lower or middle of normal. Most studies are done using total T3 and T4.
It is easier to interpret results when you measure total instead of free.
Though, in most cases free hormone reflects total hormone, but not always.

RP recommends transferrin saturation index to measure iron storage.
You did only blood iron and ferritin. You can have high iron index with
low ferritin. Ferritin gets high during inflammation. Your lower ferritin can
be interpreted as improvement.

Your temperature and tiredness possibly arises from lower intake of
sugar and nutrients. Increased thyroid function increases nutrients requirements.
You can check your nutrient intake using cronometer.com and your can post it here.
I have noticed when i increase my thyroid dose i feel warm in the beginning but
cold and tired the next day. I am consciously keeping it slightly lower so that
i do not have to eat all the time. Thyroid can not work properly if there
are excess estrogen, cortisol and free fatty acids. Diet is the most important
part of healthy thyroid function. Inability to store glycogen can be a big problem.
Endotoxin from gut can increase stress hormones including cortisol,
serotonin, estrogen and inability to store glycogen. Daily raw carrot salad
or cooked bamboo shoot is essential. You can also try cascara or activated
charcoal. RP also uses very low dose antibiotics ('30-50 mg)
Tetracycline and Minocyline for a short period of time.

Edit: You did not give the reference range. I had to check online.
Your free T4 is below normal. So it would be reasonable to add some
T4 to bring it up. You have to go by how it feels, if T4 is not coverted
to T3 it might not feel so good. It takes about 2-3 weeks for T4 to build up.
You may need to increase T4 dose slowly.

I noticed you are eating carrot salad.
From my experience, i get good result from certain kind of
carrots, the natural organic one with dirt and stuff. Very clean shiny
super market stuff does not help much. I think they possibility do some
kind of processing that lowers carrots antibiotic effect. You can try
cooked bamboo shoot. RP recommends shredding the bamboo shoot,
so it does not require much chewing. I get better result from bamboo
shoot than carrot. But i avoid bamboo shoot , because it gives me
mild stomach upset after 2-3 days. I only used caned shoot.
 
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bluewren

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Thanks Mittir,

I did have Transferrin checked: 2.4 g/L (2.0 to 3.2 range)
Saturation 49% (10 to 45 % range)
My GP advised me to stop donating blood..funny, as I was doing that because of high iron!

I will continue to eat good nutrient dense food and sugar, raise my T4 a little, and introduce cooked bamboo shoots
and AC. Thanks for your reply!
 

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RP mentioned that Transferrin saturation index below 25 is protective
against cancer. I am trying to lower my index below 25 by following
a low iron diet. Excess iron causes variety of stress response and is
associated with many diseases like diabetes , alzheimer etc
We really do not need to store this much iron. There is iron
in almost every food and body is very good at increasing iron
absorption when iron is low.
 
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Any clues?

Another question in relation to my lowered temps, and tiredness.....

my wrists have become painful, first one, then the other. It feels like a sprain, (but isn't) accompanied by loss of strength. It is hard to turn off taps hard, for example. This is a brand new phenomena for me! I have no idea why this is happening.

Has anyone experienced this?
 

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Re: Any clues?

bluewren said:
...in relation to my lowered temps, and tiredness.....
my wrists have become painful, first one, then the other. It feels like a sprain, (but isn't) accompanied by loss of strength. It is hard to turn off taps hard, for example....

IMNHO, with impaired metabolism, there are often less resilient tissue states, such as in the tendons and ligaments (connective tissue). (Muscles and peripheral nerves may also be affected-another story for another day.) Difficulties on both sides, and not due to an acute injury, are more suggestive of this difficulty.

I have certainly had bouts of "mysterious" ligament and tendon pain (different limbs in different situations) when an external source depleted metabolism despite consistent metabolic support in other ways. They resolved promptly when I was able to boost things generally. (I am NOT saying that there are only general vulnerabilities, or that they all respond quickly to Peat-y supports. My experience is that sometimes Peat-y supports relieve "tendinosis"/"chronic sprain" things that elude routine health care treatments.

WADR, it is not clear from the thread what factors of metabolism are at the forefront.

In Australia, it is the transition from winter to spring. The prolonged darkness of winter is the most difficult time for boosting metabolism, so increasing daylight by itself will improve things.

Is your gender female? Have there been remote or recent symptoms or signs of high estrogen? Has there been a lot of exhaustive ("aerobic") exercise recently or remotely? When you are cold, are there other difficulties? Is sleep adequate, accessible, and restorative?

For the wrists, sometimes topical vitamin E serves as a local metabolic boost and analgesic salve. (I postpone at the moment other agents dissolved in oils/vitamin E. You might apply it to one side and compare with the other. For recent fatigue-if prominently problematic, you might add a bit of thiamine (say, 100 to 250 mg once or twice daily) as a short term experiment.
 

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From my experience i can tell it is related to low thyroid and or increased
endotoxin. If you have high PTH due to low vitamin D and calcium intake
that can contribute too. Calcium to phosphorus ratio 1:1 or higher should
be helpful. Have you measured your PTH and TSH lately?
RP has mentioned the reason fasting alleviate joint pain is due to
low endotoxin and serotonin production. I would check all the foods
and supplement i am taking for possible gut irritants. If you post your
daily food and supplements and a cronometer chart it would be easier
to see where is the possible problem.

Edit: RP does not recommend long fasting as it can lower liver
function and metabolism. He thinks proper diet can lower endotoxins
and serotonin.
 

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