B. Coagulans decreases endotoxin , liver fibrosis and serotonin

[Perry Staltic]

No worries, at all. It was around a month or so ago.

And you're still having issues? How many days did you take it before stopping.

 

[charlie]

And you're still having issues? How many days did you take it before stopping.

Yes. I probably took it a week or so.

 

[Sam321]

Yeh I am not sure I will try another probiotic. lol


No worries, at all. It was around a month or so ago.

Fair enough.
Peat said in email to me once that the carrot salad and thyroid over time should resolve most candida issues.

I would imagine the same would be for SIBO.

 

[Perry Staltic]

Yes. I probably took it a week or so.

What were things like before taking it? Perfect? So so?

 

[charlie]

Fair enough.
Peat said in email to me once that the carrot salad and thyroid over time should resolve most candida issues.

I would imagine the same would be for SIBO.

Been doing carrot salads. I am finding this helps quite a bit: Amazon product ASIN B077YCHC7N

What were things like before taking it? Perfect? So so?

They were so so, that is why I was trying it.

 

[Perry Staltic]

They were so so, that is why I was trying it.

I don't know if it's real or not, but people who are heavy into probiotics for ME/CFS and autism talk about a die-off that produces bad symptoms from the good and bad bacteria warring. I wouldn't know how to judge such a thing.

 

[charlie]

I don't know if it's real or not, but people who are heavy into probiotics for ME/CFS and autism talk about a die-off that produces bad symptoms from the good and bad bacteria warring. I wouldn't know how to judge such a thing.

Yeh I considered that, but was not sure about pushing on.

 

[Sam321]

Been doing carrot salads. I am finding this helps quite a bit: Amazon product ASIN B077YCHC7N

They were so so, that is why I was trying it.

Taking phage

I don't know if it's real or not, but people who are heavy into probiotics for ME/CFS and autism talk about a die-off that produces bad symptoms from the good and bad bacteria warring. I wouldn't know how to judge such a thing.

I definitely felt something like that in my large intestine for a few days...

 

[charlie]

Taking phage

Did not do well with phages either.

 

[Perry Staltic]

Did not do well with phages either.

Do you know if you have problems with silicon dioxide?

 

[charlie]

Do you know if you have problems with silicon dioxide?

Not that I know of.

 

[Sam321]

Did not do well with phages either.

lol i accidentally posted the phage thing.
but yeah thats something too i suppose.

 

[Mauritio]

On the first 2 days I also definitely felt worse . I felt like I was getting sick and weirdly overstimulated and anxious . It felt like candida die off , also saw some strains in the toilet .
There's a lot of anecdotal evidence that it helps with candida, although I couldn't find any study on it .
I'm on day 5 of it and every day the detox symptoms are getting less .sleep was suffering before , today was the first night I slept really good again. I can only imagine that it's less bad for me because I've been taking caprylic acid for 3 months now ,which is also anti-fungal.
But if the die off lasted a week, I probably wouldnt have sticked with it either.

Edit: this study shows that a probiotic blend that contains B. Coagulans helps to disrupt biofilm in candida

In vitro effect of over-the-counter probiotics on the ability of Candida albicans to form biofilm on denture strips - PubMed

Commercially available probiotics that contain Lactobacilli species interfere with the in vitro ability of C. albicans to form biofilms on dentures. The mechanistic and clinical implications of our results need to be addressed by larger in vivo studies.

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

 

[Mauritio]

I looked for F. Prausnitzii as it's also increased by B. Coagulans. And it does have anti candida properties.

"
F. prausnitzii and its supernatant have inhibitory effects on CA. The direct effects are as follows: inhibiting CA growth and repro-
duction, inhibiting the expression of CA Hyphae-Specific Genes (BCR1, CDC24b, ECE1, HGC1, HWP1 and EFG1), reducing production
of hyphal phase CA, reducing the production of CA hydrolytic enzyme production capacities (Ep, Sap, and Ha). The indirect effect is by
stimulating the expression of NLRP6, ASC, IL-1β/IL-18, BD-2, BD-3 and the tight junction proteins occludin and ZO-1 in IEC to inhibition
the growth of CA."

(https://www.google.de/url?sa=t&sour...FjACegQIHxAC&usg=AOvVaw3nvBV4zPPfgcg6WyNXZN_2)

 

[Mauritio]

F. Prausnitzii increases muscle mass, insulin sensitivity and adiponectin . Decreases liver fat. It also enhances mitochondrial respiration. The full study is a great read!

"Adiponectin expression was increased in the visceral adipose tissue, and the subcutaneous and visceral adipose tissues were more insulin sensitive and less inflamed in F. prausnitzii-treated mice. Further, F. prausnitzii treatment increased muscle mass that may be linked to enhanced mitochondrial respiration, modified gut microbiota composition and improved intestinal integrity."

"Compared to the HFD control group, the F. prausnitzii-treated mice had higher expression levels of mitochondrial respiratory chain complex subunit ATP5A (P=0.047, Figure 5b), and a tendency for higher UQCRC2 and MTCO1 expression (P=0.05 for both, Figure 5b)..."

Faecalibacterium prausnitzii treatment improves hepatic health and reduces adipose tissue inflammation in high-fat fed mice - The ISME Journal

Faecalibacterium prausnitzii is considered as one of the most important bacterial indicators of a healthy gut. We studied the effects of oral F. prausnitzii treatment on high-fat fed mice. Compared to the high-fat control mice, F. prausnitzii-treated mice had lower hepatic fat content, aspartate...

www.nature.com

 

[Mauritio]

"...the functional link was established in vitro for salicylic acid. We show for the first time that F. prausnitzii is a highly active commensal bacterium involved in reduction of colitis through in vivo modulation of metabolites along the GIT and in the peripheral blood."

Identification of Metabolic Signatures Linked to Anti-Inflammatory Effects of Faecalibacterium prausnitzii

Faecalibacterium prausnitzii is an anti-inflammatory commensal bacterium identified on the basis of human clinical data. The mechanisms underlying its beneficial effects are still unknown. Gnotobiotic mice harboring F. prausnitzii (A2-165) and Escherichia coli (K-12 JM105) were subjected to...

mbio.asm.org

 

[Mauritio]

B. Coagulans helps with plant protein digestion, so it might help when you have to eat a salad or something like that.

"Thus, the enhanced protein digestion by BC30 showed a dual benefit: enhanced amino acid bioavailability from plant proteins in the upper GI tract, and a healthier environment in the colon."

Bacillus coagulans GBI-30, 6086 increases plant protein digestion in a dynamic, computer-controlled in vitro model of the small intestine (TIM-1) - PubMed

The aim of this study was to assess the potential of the probiotic Bacillus coagulans GBI-30, 6086 [GanedenBC³⁰] (BC30) to aid in protein digestion of alimentary plant proteins. To test this, three plant proteins, from pea, soy and rice, were digested in a validated in vitro model of...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Plus it helps in amino acid absorption from milk protein, which is especially interesting for the Peat community.

Bacillus coagulans GBI-30, 6086 improves amino acid absorption from milk protein - PubMed

In concert with previous in vitro evidence of improved protein digestion and amino acid appearance, these results reveal that adding BC30 to protein sources such as milk protein concentrate can improve AUC, C_Max, and faster T_Max. Follow-up research should examine...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

 

[Bart1]

On the first 2 days I also definitely felt worse . I felt like I was getting sick and weirdly overstimulated and anxious . It felt like candida die off , also saw some strains in the toilet .
There's a lot of anecdotal evidence that it helps with candida, although I couldn't find any study on it .
I'm on day 5 of it and every day the detox symptoms are getting less .sleep was suffering before , today was the first night I slept really good again. I can only imagine that it's less bad for me because I've been taking caprylic acid for 3 months now ,which is also anti-fungal.
But if the die off lasted a week, I probably wouldnt have sticked with it either.

Edit: this study shows that a probiotic blend that contains B. Coagulans helps to disrupt biofilm in candida

In vitro effect of over-the-counter probiotics on the ability of Candida albicans to form biofilm on denture strips - PubMed

Commercially available probiotics that contain Lactobacilli species interfere with the in vitro ability of C. albicans to form biofilms on dentures. The mechanistic and clinical implications of our results need to be addressed by larger in vivo studies.

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

which supplement do you use?

 

[Mauritio]

which supplement do you use?

Doctor's Best, Digestive Health, Probiotic with LactoSpore, 2 Billion CFU, Verdauungsförderndes Probiotikum mit LactoSpore, 2 Milliarden KBE, 260 vegetarische Kapseln the one from dr. Best

 

[Mauritio]

It might help with mercury detox/ protection from it.

Effect of Probiotic Bacillus Coagulans and Lactobacillus Plantarum on Alleviation of Mercury Toxicity in Rat - PubMed

The objective of this study was to evaluate the efficiency of probiotics (Lactobacillus plantarum and Bacillus coagulans) against mercury-induced toxicity using a rat model. Mercury (Hg) is a widespread heavy metal and was shown to be associated with various diseases. Forty-eight adult male...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov