Australian Alcohol Culture And Immigrants

Discussion in 'Meditation, Mindfullness, Religion, Spirituality' started by Herbie, Aug 23, 2018.

  1. Herbie

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    I immigrated to a different state, doing an immigrant job, mixing with immigrants of Muslim and Sikh religion and these people are very good people despite what white Australians say, I don't understand all the racism.

    I found out from talking to Muslim snd Sikh people is that they do not drink alcohol and I think this is part of why people are prejudice towards them, Australians like alcohol and almost all socialising involves it. I know this because I do not indulge in alcohol.

    I have been wanting to read the new testament bible, the koran and the Sikh holy book at the same time so I can understand the nuance and context of the religions and so when people bring the subject up I can discern things fairly, I am not religious but I appreciate the wisdom and way of being a good person that religious texts teach and feel if people want to practice their faith in peace, this is ok.
     
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    It's nice to meet people from other backgrounds. We learn a lot from each other. We realize they are just like in more ways than we thought. There are more things that we share in common. Religion is a wrapper for spirituality, but often mischaracterized by extreme expressions of fear and misunderstanding by but a small minority on each side. The majority just get sucked in by the bellicosity of the paranoid in their midst.
     
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    @Benyamin Bulluc
    I share similar sentiments. Without alcohol (or interest in professional sports), it can be incredibly difficult to connect with most people.
    I feel alienated from many of my peers, even old college buddies, when they find out I gave up alcohol. Especially when they find out it wasn't any sort of struggle for me to give it up.

    I think it's important for me to make it clear that I don't look down on anyone for imbibing. Maybe that's one of the reasons they're suspicious of people who avoid it for religious reasons- fear of being judged.
     
  4. Wichway?

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    How are they good people? In what way?

    I don't think this has anything to do with white Australian's dislike of them at all.

    If you believe that in this point in time on the planet that Islam is the religion of peace, then you are ignoring some rather key facts. Many of the people that currently practice Islam have nothing but hatred for the West and Western people. Some of these people even migrate to Western countries, despite their disdain for Western people.
     
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    I think sikhs are welcomed almost anywhere where as muslims are not. Because of the stereotypical behaviour of said populations. Alcohol prohibition in their culture is exactly as insane as drug prohibition in our culture. Do whatever the f you want with yourself but drop dead once you start forcing your will upon others.
     
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    I'm not attacking all Australians when I say this, as there are obviously racist people in every country, but I was surprised at the level of racism I witnessed when I lived in Australia. I'm not sure why. You'd expect it more from people living in the countryside, but even the big cities, like Melbourne and Sydney, both of which are very multicultural, I saw plenty of racism. It's a shame, because it is an amazing country.
     
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    Why are these people immigrating to countries with "all the racism" aimed against them?
     
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    I am sure most muslims and Sikhs are pleasant, nice people, especially the immigrants (they have much to lose by misbehaving). However this isn't saying much about the religion as a whole. When talking religion and politics we are having a discussion about ideology, patterns, and numbers. Not really the anecdotes or the individual people.

     
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    The history is not so old.
    Both the end of the 'White Australia' policy, and the end of active massacres as part of the attempted genocide of indigenous people are within the life of a significant part of the current Australian population. I think it takes both concerted effort and time for a society to really change and recover from such history. I also think we white people in whichever country might get used to the flavour of the racism we see every day - the water we swim in - and be more alert to it when it looks a little different in a different country. Australia isn't unique. We all have work to do and much to gain.

    There are plenty of reasons why people migrate. Some of them have been exacerbated by generations of racism, colonial domination and extraction, conflicts, natural and unnatural stresses in the original home environments of the global majority.

    Racism makes the whole world harder to live in for most people. Economics, violence, environmental stress.

    Sadly, a bit of deadly racism hopped over the ditch (from OZ to NZ) and caused much grief today. If any of you are in Otautahi, hope you are well and thinking of you.
    (40 dead in a couple of terrorist attacks during prayers in two Mosques in Christchurch today, apparently most of them killed by a white Australian.)
     
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    Dear Tara
    I know it is also in the town you reside.
    My thoughts are with you.
    :grouphug
     
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    Australia has some of the worse media concentration laws in the world. The 'news' comes primarily from two or three media barons who run 24/7 terror campaigns against immigrants and refugees. Immigration and race have always been the biggest election issues.

    Historically, whitey the Aussie has been all too aware that the island he was living on was surrounded by other, bigger islands full of non-whites.
     
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    What is the obsession with calling white people racist? It’s all people ever say these days. I have witnessed racist behaviour from different races, equally. The irony is, singling out white people, is racist.
     
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    To add to to this, Migrants are a very 'visible/audible' scapegoat. The average person is usually illiterate or apathetic in an economical/political sense and unlikely to fully comprehend the numerous reasons behind their hardship. Particularly as those reasons rarely have a straightforward solution.

    The people I've met who were 'anti-immigrant' tended to share the following:
    • They were convinced there was a scarcity of resources (money, space, food, energy etc.)
    • They had low wages or experienced wage stagnation
    • Had a fixation with street crime, terrorism and paedophiles.
    • They had a poor opinion of the Political/Media classes but trusted 'their side' implicitly
    • Took an authoritarian stance on issues and venerated authorities such as the Police, Doctors, the Army (i.e. authorities who are seen as 'doing something')
    • Had a 'crabs in a bucket' mentality
    • Little to no interest in Creative activities
    I think a lot of people on this forum would describe them as 'Seretogenic'. My interactions with this people have reinforced my belief that a lot of the fear and scarcity in society (whether real or invented) is there to make us more compliant to the numerous power structures that govern society. Sadly, this seems to come at the cost of our Altruism and Creativity
     
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    In the case of Australia, most of the racism has come from white people.


    The more generalized, hyperbolic and silly accusations of racism towards white people comes from the I'm Way Better Than You Crew and those with dad issues who give it away with their 'old straight white male' slur.
     
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    Why do you think it is acceptable to throw around accusations like that? You’re just race baiting.
     
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    what on earth are you referring to
     
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    Isn’t funny.
     
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    Sorry but this seems like a bit of a cop out, designed to shut down any discussion of racism. We need to be able to talk about certain races being more racist than others if its true (and I dont believe its just white people who are to blame at all, but when theres a history of it its not a case of "singling them out"). A few years back the identity politics pre Trump were raging quite hard, but İ think people have gotten the message and are broadly against identity politics now. Hell, just look at how people have voted. IMO if anyone is still preaching about anti White racism in todays climate of Trump, Brexit etc, theyve been watching too many videos of certain YouTube content creators and gone down a rabbit hole.

    That being said, that comedian in the video - his ideas were rather silly. I know its just comedy, but those arguments are given all the time and its a huge misreading of history. White people didnt colonise the world because they were more violent, malicious or evil intented than other races - they colonised the world because they could, and they wanted the power and resources, so they did. Other races were just as violent and would have done the same if they could.

    You couldnt go back in time and convince the leaders of Africa and Asia to enslave white people, because they didnt have the power to. And if they did, you can bet they would have. Just look at what happened in Japan - as soon as they incorporated what they called "Western advances" and modernised their economy and military, they started enslaving and dominating their neighbours faster than anyone would have believed possible.
     
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    I regret engaging in this pathetic thread.
     
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