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I think this is crucially important and I'm glad you brought it up.
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I think this is crucially important and I'm glad you brought it up.
Hey, any experience with that?
Lizb
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Professor Buteyko said society would break down when the average CP (control pause) was 15 seconds. I believe it's currently 20 seconds.
Buteyko teachers actually say things like, 'low CO2 leads to stupidity'.
Physiological and environmental; working both ways.
I'm off to do some gardening.
Buteyko teachers actually say things like, 'low CO2 leads to stupidity'.
Physiological and environmental; working both ways.
I'm off to do some gardening.
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Yes, I think it's an extremely valuable activity, and everybody should set aside a certain amount of time each day for it. It's similar to meditation but is not quite the same thing.
What usually do is lie down with my eyes closed for about an hour, and simply pay attention to my thoughts. Usually they're in a state of chaos for the first while, jumping about from one thing to another, but eventually things calm down, and you're able to follow a train of thought or focus on something of your choosing. It's fascinating to watch the brain unwind in this way. I tend to do my clearest thinking in these quiet moments.
People probably did this all the time before TV, internet, etc. Quiet contemplation, no distractions. It's a cliche now, but the internet has rewired our brains so that contemplation like this becomes unfamiliar and weird, and the best way to actually see this is to switch everything off for a while and pay attention.
I feel you man! Lots of cool stuff happened when I forced myself go offline for half a year.
Did you find silence helps to generate joy without any stimulation? My suspicion that implementing very little digital stimulation actually would help a ton with conditions such as anhedonia.
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Yeah I think this kind of practice can be very valuable, but unfortunately not very common these days.
I remember in my teenage years I would constantly be seeking distractions e.g looking at my phone, gaming, youtube, music, weed, alcohol. If I was stuck somewhere without my phone or any other distraction, for instance waiting for a bus for just 20 minutes, I would pretty much "go out of my mind" as my mind would start churning and I was confronted with all these weird/scary/intrusive thoughts and feelings with no idea how to deal with them (except freaking out).
If someone finds they have a mind that's not shutting up and it's bothering them, I think a helpful perspective can be to view your thinking mind as being similar to your digestive process:
When you eat your digestive tract mechanically processes the food so that you can absorb the nutrients, and in a similar fashion your brain is always processing different stimuli and inputs, sensations, past memories, feelings, emotions = thoughts coming and going.
Problems start to arise when you feel threatened by 'bad thoughts' and try to make them go away or control them which only makes things worse - we can't control our thinking mind the same way we can't control peristalsis or the secretion of gastric juices.
When you begin to detach a bit from the 'thought rollercoaster' you discover that thinking is often very mechanical and repetitive, kind of like your brain regurgitating the same stuff over and over again i.e digesting it. With some practice it becomes easier to take a 'couldn't care less' attitude towards thoughts, and eventually you just get fed up and bored with them lol.
Most people seem to have lost the ability to analyse. They just accept what they are told. Wear a mask. Social distancing. Stay home-save lives! They don't question authority. They have fallen for the fear based authoritarianism that is now rampant. I hate to say it, but there is probably going to be an upswing in people returning to religion.
People who I have always considered intelligent, including people who are doctors, seem unable to analyse what is going on with this "pandemic"and just accept and believe what the MSM and politicans are feeding us.
People who I have always considered intelligent, including people who are doctors, seem unable to analyse what is going on with this "pandemic"and just accept and believe what the MSM and politicans are feeding us.
I have been digging into this topic ever since i found elementary school tests online from the last 100 years that i truly believe most people would fail myself included. I agree screens have made us dumber in the sense that screens are too attractive [fire] and too manipulated [propaganda] . It requires heroic effort to find any sense of normalcy and truth on a screen.
I have also noted some dramatic changes over my lifetime with general intelligence in an informal manner, just observing and interacting with the public.
At 54 yrs old i can say that when i was younger people seemed to have a higher general IQ or G, as it is called. This ability to put non correlated general information together, in the manner of deductive logic, is disappearing rapidly. This helps explain the Marxist Coup or uprising we are witnessing right now, useful idiots who failed the marshmallow test.
By digging into this subject i found these two hilarious and highly interesting evolutionary psychologists.
Edward Dutton and Michael Woodley and their book changed my life and really is the universal theory that tied up so many questions and observations i have held for years.
https://www.amazon.com/At-Our-Wits-End-Intelligent/dp/184540985X
TLDR: Black Plague culled of large segment of less intelligent folk followed hundreds of years of capital punishment which removed psychopaths [1-2% of pop] and only those with non mutant genes had offspring, many offspring, which led us to the pinnacle of innovation and a recent peak of invention and culture in general:circa 1850.
Since then we have lost 1 point IQ per decade, so over 15 points IQ lost or a standard deviation. This loss is slow and hard to see and general IQ has been most impacted.
I am not doing their research any justice with an incomplete synopsis and i would suggest looking up their excellent book or Youtube channel.
Dr. Edward Dutton: The Jolly Heretic
At this point the generally Marxist school system in the West would disallow understanding their work and i would expect their work to be memory holed at some point but they are lovely funny fellows whom i do not detect any "isms" that the intolerant left would likely perceive. Pity that most people today did not grow up on farms so they cannot understand breeding of animals and plants. There are tremendous lessons to be learned from plant and animal breeding and observation and this background has led to my questioning many modern social science viewpoints.
The Greeks almost hit an Industrial Age thousands of years ago...we go in and out of these Ages according to circumstances both in and out our control.
This is not politically correct to study nor discuss in the West and hence that is why i believe it is accelerating and by the end of the century there will be walled cities with people who add value to others surrounded by vast expanses of socialist mutants...great dystopian movie plot huh?
I have also noted some dramatic changes over my lifetime with general intelligence in an informal manner, just observing and interacting with the public.
At 54 yrs old i can say that when i was younger people seemed to have a higher general IQ or G, as it is called. This ability to put non correlated general information together, in the manner of deductive logic, is disappearing rapidly. This helps explain the Marxist Coup or uprising we are witnessing right now, useful idiots who failed the marshmallow test.
By digging into this subject i found these two hilarious and highly interesting evolutionary psychologists.
Edward Dutton and Michael Woodley and their book changed my life and really is the universal theory that tied up so many questions and observations i have held for years.
https://www.amazon.com/At-Our-Wits-End-Intelligent/dp/184540985X
TLDR: Black Plague culled of large segment of less intelligent folk followed hundreds of years of capital punishment which removed psychopaths [1-2% of pop] and only those with non mutant genes had offspring, many offspring, which led us to the pinnacle of innovation and a recent peak of invention and culture in general:circa 1850.
Since then we have lost 1 point IQ per decade, so over 15 points IQ lost or a standard deviation. This loss is slow and hard to see and general IQ has been most impacted.
I am not doing their research any justice with an incomplete synopsis and i would suggest looking up their excellent book or Youtube channel.
Dr. Edward Dutton: The Jolly Heretic
At this point the generally Marxist school system in the West would disallow understanding their work and i would expect their work to be memory holed at some point but they are lovely funny fellows whom i do not detect any "isms" that the intolerant left would likely perceive. Pity that most people today did not grow up on farms so they cannot understand breeding of animals and plants. There are tremendous lessons to be learned from plant and animal breeding and observation and this background has led to my questioning many modern social science viewpoints.
The Greeks almost hit an Industrial Age thousands of years ago...we go in and out of these Ages according to circumstances both in and out our control.
This is not politically correct to study nor discuss in the West and hence that is why i believe it is accelerating and by the end of the century there will be walled cities with people who add value to others surrounded by vast expanses of socialist mutants...great dystopian movie plot huh?
To add to above the Drs mentioned postulate that childhood deaths, pre modern lifesaving medicines signified a high mutation load.
For example, as most of you know many children died in the first years of life traditionally from childhood diseases. The children were culled by nature so to speak due to having a poor immune system. However the immune defects signify brain defects.
So the net result of this high infant and childhood mortality rate being brought down to near zero has resulted in a massive uptick in mutation loads across our population.
Most of us are mutants at this point because unlike all other living things on this planet we save every life.
Then there is the issue of who is actually having replacement levels of children, combined with high mutation levels in all humans you can guess where this headed.
For example, as most of you know many children died in the first years of life traditionally from childhood diseases. The children were culled by nature so to speak due to having a poor immune system. However the immune defects signify brain defects.
So the net result of this high infant and childhood mortality rate being brought down to near zero has resulted in a massive uptick in mutation loads across our population.
Most of us are mutants at this point because unlike all other living things on this planet we save every life.
Then there is the issue of who is actually having replacement levels of children, combined with high mutation levels in all humans you can guess where this headed.
Of course were getting stupider- our attention spans are shrinking thanks to modern technology, giving and conditioning us for instant gratification where we once, at a time. struggling for a thought, hatching a new idea, critical thinking were normal tasks at hand.
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