hoppimike said:Are any ok in Ray Peat's book? Kefir? Water kefir? Capsuled or liquid probiotics?
Yves said:Endotoxin by definition are from gram-negative bacteria. Most probiotics are gram-positive lactic acid bacteria, so they do not produce endotoxin. Many antibiotics like penicillin are actually more effective against gram-positive bacteria and would be counter productive in some circumstances in my opinion. I think Peat simplifies the gut flora question and is one short coming of his approach.
hoppimike - I would reccomend florastor (S. Boulardii). There are a number of studies that show it is as effective as antibiotics in getting rid of some parasitic organisms. It stimulates the gut to produce sIga antibodies, so ensure you are consuming adequate zinc and vitamin a. (eat liver), and rotate on/off. Otherwise most lactic acid bacteria (LAB) are probably OK as long as the source doesn't contain too much lactic acid. It is much more economical though to use pre-biotics to increase LAB. From my research Galactooligosaccharides are the safest; prebiotics like inulin and FOS are not selective enough and actually can feed pathogenic bacteria. I had good success with a product called Galactomune by klaire labs. It included beta glucan which has strong anti-cancer and anti-inflammatory effects on the body and stimulates the immune system. I think S. Boulardii + Galactomune and maybe a LAB probiotic is a decent approach if you have digestive problems that are resistant to diet-modification alone. Ideally you should get stool tests and more targeted antibiotics to treat any infection you may have. This was my focus for a while on my blog - recomposition.blogspot.com
Kris said:This thing that Narouz wrote about Peat eating antibiotics struck me. This is actually my experience. I did have to take many times antibiotics for different reasons, and each time I had radical improvement in my bowel movement! If antibiotics kill indiscriminately bad and good bacteria, how come they only improved my digestion? Perhaps there is some truth that having sterile intestines is much better for us!
narouz said:So, peatarian, when you write...
"Yes, Ray Peat is known to overly 'simplify' matters and ignore the broader context."
...at the top of your post,
(just so I'm clear),
you're actually disagreeing with that view, yes?
Yves said:I think Peat simplifies the gut flora question and is one short coming of his approach.