Anyone Using T + Peating Or AAS + Peating?

[olive]

Dropping some knowledge bombs:

Avoid compounds that mess with collagen formation. Ie pretty much all of them except nandrolone, anavar, equipoise, primo.

Avoid AI if possible by running low aromatising compounds. They aren’t healthy and it’s too easy to crash your estrogen.

Take TUDCA/UDCA anytime you are taking liver toxic steroids. Injecting is better than oral as you skip first pass liver metabolism.

If you are injecting aromatising compounds IE testosterone - it is better to inject subq than IM.

Don’t take nolvadex. If you develop gyno use raloxifene instead.

Don’t use clomid or HCG to PCT. Instead use triptorelin.

 

[mujuro]

I take nandrolone as HRT. 500mg/week. It aromatises at a rate of ~20% compared to testosterone. No issues, no need to take an aromatise inhibitor at this dose.

I don’t think running cycles is a good idea. Either do low sporadic dosing to prevent shutdown or perma blast and cruise. The post cycle therapy drugs are horrendous on your health.

I’ve experimented with AAS for years, I’ve tried just about everything. Pulse short esters/orals solo or hop on for ever.

Does your hematocrit get high?

 

[olive]

Does your hematocrit get high?

Yes. Remedied with frequent blood letting, aspirin, orange juice and garlic.

Also avoiding dietary iron where possible.

The real problem with nandrolone is its dopaminergic properties that I’m yet to work out a solution for.

 

[Sourdoughbanana]

I posted this topic on Reddit after a 6 weeks Tbol+Clomid cycle. I think I used Aromasin twice in 6 weeks. You can see progress pictures. Peating made me keep all my pretty mid length hair, no acne, no puffy nips. A bit of water retention which is due to the 3b-HSD inhibition IMHO. This is Tbol not Anadrol or Dianabol, but still. It's nice to see pure anabolic gains.

6 week cycle of Tbol + Clomid, no Test base, with bloods : PEDs

A few comments here on top of the ones over there:
- Clomid wasn't needed (who knew?). DHEA+AI probably better as said above. It did maintain LH+FSH but if you stick to a 4 week Turinabol cycle you won't crash them anyway.
- Clomid at such minimalistic doses lead to no sides. Still not something you want to be on forever. I'm interested in Enclomiphene.
- Didn't see more gains after week 5. More like, more sides
- Tbol is absolutely great
- I thoroughly recommend reading @olive comments a few more times and go by what is said in here. Go short and quit fast, or inject for life.

I'm only 30 but when I'm 40+, I don't see a reason not going the Nandrolone route. Too bad it's damaging the vascular endothelium, but being bald and weak damages the brain.

As of now I'm tapering off Clomid, sticking to DHEA+Proviron as I said in another topic. Both 50mg per week.

 

[olive]

I posted this topic on Reddit after a 6 weeks Tbol+Clomid cycle. I think I used Aromasin twice in 6 weeks. You can see progress pictures. Peating made me keep all my pretty mid length hair, no acne, no puffy nips. A bit of water retention which is due to the 3b-HSD inhibition IMHO. This is Tbol not Anadrol or Dianabol, but still. It's nice to see pure anabolic gains.

6 week cycle of Tbol + Clomid, no Test base, with bloods : PEDs

A few comments here on top of the ones over there:
- Clomid wasn't needed (who knew?). DHEA+AI probably better as said above. It did maintain LH+FSH but if you stick to a 4 week Turinabol cycle you won't crash them anyway.
- Clomid at such minimalistic doses lead to no sides. Still not something you want to be on forever. I'm interested in Enclomiphene.
- Didn't see more gains after week 5. More like, more sides
- Tbol is absolutely great
- I thoroughly recommend reading @olive comments a few more times and go by what is said in here. Go short and quit fast, or inject for life.

I'm only 30 but when I'm 40+, I don't see a reason not going the Nandrolone route. Too bad it's damaging the vascular endothelium, but being bald and weak damages the brain.

As of now I'm tapering off Clomid, sticking to DHEA+Proviron as I said in another topic. Both 50mg per week.

Good advice.

Re: nandrolone - the damage may be mitigated with vitamin K.

 

[vulture]

I posted this topic on Reddit after a 6 weeks Tbol+Clomid cycle. I think I used Aromasin twice in 6 weeks. You can see progress pictures. Peating made me keep all my pretty mid length hair, no acne, no puffy nips. A bit of water retention which is due to the 3b-HSD inhibition IMHO. This is Tbol not Anadrol or Dianabol, but still. It's nice to see pure anabolic gains.

6 week cycle of Tbol + Clomid, no Test base, with bloods : PEDs

A few comments here on top of the ones over there:
- Clomid wasn't needed (who knew?). DHEA+AI probably better as said above. It did maintain LH+FSH but if you stick to a 4 week Turinabol cycle you won't crash them anyway.
- Clomid at such minimalistic doses lead to no sides. Still not something you want to be on forever. I'm interested in Enclomiphene.
- Didn't see more gains after week 5. More like, more sides
- Tbol is absolutely great
- I thoroughly recommend reading @olive comments a few more times and go by what is said in here. Go short and quit fast, or inject for life.

I'm only 30 but when I'm 40+, I don't see a reason not going the Nandrolone route. Too bad it's damaging the vascular endothelium, but being bald and weak damages the brain.

As of now I'm tapering off Clomid, sticking to DHEA+Proviron as I said in another topic. Both 50mg per week.

You looked pretty strong before cycle and gains are obvious, 10 lb of pure muscle.
But your T was totally crashed. How’s your recovery? How is it after few months?
What about microdosing HcG to keep T higher during cycle? Did you read the study where they use AAS along with low dose HcG to asses how it influences T production?
Would it be useful to go on a 1 month Tbol, HcG in low dosages to keep T up and using exemestane low dose? Being historically low T before Peating, getting supressed is a serious conocern for me haha

 

[Sourdoughbanana]

10lbs of pure glycogen you mean. You don’t build more than a pound or 2 of pure muscle per year, after 6+ years of lifting.

Didn’t feel a difference the whole cycle. Not kidding. Got bloods done yesterday but I don’t really care... I felt great the whole time.

I don’t think HCG would’ve worked for the same reason Clomid didn’t work. I explain why in the comments over there (the short loop theory they found in the Halotestin study).

One month of tbol and going back to whatever regimen works for you that will all be seamless. Maybe add DHEA+AI.

 

[Muckl3]

I take nandrolone as HRT. 500mg/week. It aromatises at a rate of ~20% compared to testosterone. No issues, no need to take an aromatise inhibitor at this dose.

I don’t think running cycles is a good idea. Either do low sporadic dosing to prevent shutdown or perma blast and cruise. The post cycle therapy drugs are horrendous on your health.

I’ve experimented with AAS for years, I’ve tried just about everything. Pulse short esters/orals solo or hop on for ever.

No issues with prolactin? It’s known for this and creating deca ****. I will say the norm of high test high deca has changed now as it was realised it was the tests estrogen conv being to high with deca, most people don’t have issues when they run low test higher deca/npp and there is nand only cycles I’ve seen but not many.

You know your own body man so have at it, it’s not a dig just curious as it’s a big interest for me. me personally I’d rather run test at 200mg and npp at 150mg a week, you get collagen synth, lubed joints and so on with this low dose and no Estro issues with the test. My go to trt”ish runs are test 300, primo 300 feels awesome

 

[Muckl3]

Dropping some knowledge bombs:

Avoid compounds that mess with collagen formation. Ie pretty much all of them except nandrolone, anavar, equipoise, primo.

Avoid AI if possible by running low aromatising compounds. They aren’t healthy and it’s too easy to crash your estrogen.

Take TUDCA/UDCA anytime you are taking liver toxic steroids. Injecting is better than oral as you skip first pass liver metabolism.

If you are injecting aromatising compounds IE testosterone - it is better to inject subq than IM.

Don’t take nolvadex. If you develop gyno use raloxifene instead.

Don’t use clomid or HCG to PCT. Instead use triptorelin.

Awesome post
Trip interests me even though I won’t ever need it but like to research these things. Looked into it, they need to do some more studies on this though but it looks promising.

Completely agree on no ai, they are shitty drugs in so many ways.

I will need to look into raloxifene more, never researched it much.

I don’t know if you agree but I’d add if using orals to use taurine at 5g or more as it does help with the pumps.

 

[olive]

No issues with prolactin? It’s known for this and creating deca ****. I will say the norm of high test high deca has changed now as it was realised it was the tests estrogen conv being to high with deca, most people don’t have issues when they run low test higher deca/npp and there is nand only cycles I’ve seen but not many.

You know your own body man so have at it, it’s not a dig just curious as it’s a big interest for me. me personally I’d rather run test at 200mg and npp at 150mg a week, you get collagen synth, lubed joints and so on with this low dose and no Estro issues with the test. My go to trt”ish runs are test 300, primo 300 feels awesome

Nandrolone solo doesn’t increase prolactin. The mantra in the bodybuilding world is that nandrolone is bad because it raises prolactin however that has never been shown in a medical setting. In fact I found a study that showed a decrease in prolactin from Nandrolone. I can tell you anecdotally from my blood work that my prolactin did not change when switching from TRT to nandrolone solo.

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“Serum prolactin level was markedly elevated during the control period. It fell during the administration of ND and increased with the use of TE.”

 

[olive]

Awesome post
Trip interests me even though I won’t ever need it but like to research these things. Looked into it, they need to do some more studies on this though but it looks promising.

Completely agree on no ai, they are shitty drugs in so many ways.

I will need to look into raloxifene more, never researched it much.

I don’t know if you agree but I’d add if using orals to use taurine at 5g or more as it does help with the pumps.

Taurine is a god send, no doubt.

 

[BGZ]

Hi

AFAIK one of the main problems with using exogenous T is supression along with aromatization of T, and Peating is supposed to reduce aromatization. Question is basically:

Has anyone tried using important Testosterone or AAS usage while Peating and using some Aromatase Inhibitor foods/substances like mushrooms and MB? What's your experience on this subject?

I'm thinking about how useful could it be boosting my muscle gain with some short Testosterone cycle, aromatase inhibitors and a proviron+MB+mushrooms+zinc+vitamin E to keep aromatization low.

I’ve used steroids on and off for 20 years.
I rely on cialis/Viagra for sex even though i have 500 T natural production.
Sex drive is on the low end of the spectrum.
38 years old, look fit but feel worse than I look.
My view on it, dont mess with your hormones because somwhere along the line you will have to pay.

 

[Lowdose69]

I take nandrolone as HRT. 500mg/week. It aromatises at a rate of ~20% compared to testosterone. No issues, no need to take an aromatise inhibitor at this dose.

I've done this also for over a year, but suddenly developed hypoglycemia so bad that I would pass out occasionally and shake all the time. I couldn't workout without candy in my mouth. I would drink a quart of OJ and my BS would still be around 80.

I read something on webmd about tissue needing testosterone to use insulin properly. I started 100mg test every 5/6 days (and dropped nandrolone) and am totally cured. I felt better within 2 days.

While I was on nandro only my bloodwork showed near zero total test but I felt amazing and had great libido. I'm 41 now so maybe I need to keep some test in the rotation for metabolic function.

 

[Herbie]

Which country is the nandrolone from? I knew a guy who used small dosages and said it was good.

 

[Lowdose69]

Which country is the nandrolone from? I knew a guy who used small dosages and said it was good.

In the US you can get it by prescription from a compounding pharmacy. The dose will be low though.

 

[Herbie]

In the US you can get it by prescription from a compounding pharmacy. The dose will be low though.

That’s cool

 

[Sourdoughbanana]

just so you guys know and @vulture as well, my recovery following the experiment with Tbol AND Clomid for 6 weeks is stellar. On cycle I had LH&FSH in range but T dipped to 100 ng/dL.

3 weeks later adding Proviron in on top of Clomid, both 25mg e5d, total T is 450 ng/dL and everything else is mid-range. Going to stop Clomid and stick to DHEA+Proviron. Vitamin D 93 ng/mL aha, a very sunny summer maxed me out!

So nothing new I guess, Proviron isn't suppressive at all, it feels great, and should be added to PCTs IMHO.

 

[vulture]

just so you guys know and @vulture as well, my recovery following the experiment with Tbol AND Clomid for 6 weeks is stellar. On cycle I had LH&FSH in range but T dipped to 100 ng/dL.

3 weeks later adding Proviron in on top of Clomid, both 25mg e5d, total T is 450 ng/dL and everything else is mid-range. Going to stop Clomid and stick to DHEA+Proviron. Vitamin D 93 ng/mL aha, a very sunny summer maxed me out!

So nothing new I guess, Proviron isn't suppressive at all, it feels great, and should be added to PCTs IMHO.

I did a smal experiment on it, no supression but even 10% total T increase and also total cholesterol.
AFAIK clomid is estrogen, wouldn’t it be harmful? Do you think it’s necessary?

 

[RisingSun]

Hi

AFAIK one of the main problems with using exogenous T is supression along with aromatization of T, and Peating is supposed to reduce aromatization. Question is basically:

Has anyone tried using important Testosterone or AAS usage while Peating and using some Aromatase Inhibitor foods/substances like mushrooms and MB? What's your experience on this subject?

I'm thinking about how useful could it be boosting my muscle gain with some short Testosterone cycle, aromatase inhibitors and a proviron+MB+mushrooms+zinc+vitamin E to keep aromatization low.

We've gone over this repeatedly in previous discussions.

You need to jump on test and proviron, your pictures show you are androgynous and need masculinization.

How are you still not on the juice after all this time?

 

[RisingSun]

I posted this topic on Reddit after a 6 weeks Tbol+Clomid cycle. I think I used Aromasin twice in 6 weeks. You can see progress pictures. Peating made me keep all my pretty mid length hair, no acne, no puffy nips. A bit of water retention which is due to the 3b-HSD inhibition IMHO. This is Tbol not Anadrol or Dianabol, but still. It's nice to see pure anabolic gains.

6 week cycle of Tbol + Clomid, no Test base, with bloods : PEDs

A few comments here on top of the ones over there:
- Clomid wasn't needed (who knew?). DHEA+AI probably better as said above. It did maintain LH+FSH but if you stick to a 4 week Turinabol cycle you won't crash them anyway.
- Clomid at such minimalistic doses lead to no sides. Still not something you want to be on forever. I'm interested in Enclomiphene.
- Didn't see more gains after week 5. More like, more sides
- Tbol is absolutely great
- I thoroughly recommend reading @olive comments a few more times and go by what is said in here. Go short and quit fast, or inject for life.

I'm only 30 but when I'm 40+, I don't see a reason not going the Nandrolone route. Too bad it's damaging the vascular endothelium, but being bald and weak damages the brain.

As of now I'm tapering off Clomid, sticking to DHEA+Proviron as I said in another topic. Both 50mg per week.

Of course it does. It's just too subtle for you to notice yet and will stick with you for a few years as the estrogenic agonists will get buried in your fat tissues.

Think mood swings, jealousy (I hope you are single), feminization of the brain and of body tissues, difficulty to make decisions, lack of assertiveness.