Anyone Here Stopped Their Hairloss?

Discussion in 'Hair & Nails' started by helpmyhair, Aug 16, 2017.

  1. helpmyhair

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    Has anyone here actually been able to stop further hairloss? Have you drastically reduced your shedding?

    Please share with us what you did to stop it. Would help a lot of here who are struggling.
     
  2. pisser

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    Been suffering from hair loss since I was 21, I'm 27 now. Not bald, but losing hair around my crown makes me feel like it's too late.

    However, I stopped my shedding almost completely for over a year now, but my regimine involves a few minor (and more natural) 5aR inhibitors with a pretty restrictive diet. I recently (last week) started increasing my calcium intake while only ingesting saturated fats rather than PUFA, and keep my starch intake low. In summary: low fat (especially PUFAs), lower starches, higher sugar/fructose, higher calcium, and a decent intake of zinc/copper should be a good place to start in terms of diet. I eat mostly vegetarian but you don't have to.

    Find anti-inflammatory/anti-oxidant supplements or foods, they work well with k2 and aspirin. Taking enough vitamin k2, E, and D is a good start. I find that when people find these natural 5aR inhibiting supplements--even zinc, they tend to go overboard cause they think they won't be as bad as finasteride and it always ends up ******* up their health, or a waste of time and money. I took saw palmetto on top of what I'm already taking and within 4 days I felt weak. I work a labour job and I'm usually very energetic, but something felt wrong. I'm glad things reverted fast.

    From what I found on RP forums, people (including me) lean towards taking:
    Vitamin E
    Vitamin K2
    Vitamin D
    Vitamin A
    Vitamin K2
    A good zinc/copper ratio
    A good calcium/phosphate ratio
    Aspirin
    Caffeine

    What I personally include:
    curcumin (for inflammation)
    msm (hair skin nails support)
    biotin (hair skin nails support)
    taurine
    soy isoflavins (with natto which contains some k2 via mk-7 and mk-8)

    As for topical items, I use emu oil only once or twice a week because of how expensive it is. It does contain a decent amount of k2. Also, here's a neat study with emu oil and curcumin. Haven't tried it on my scalp cause yellow skin looks weird. Emu oil based nano-emulgel for topical delivery of curcumin. - PubMed - NCBI
     
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    Fabio was on the forum a while ago...

    look at him now :)
     
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    I'm curious about the soy isoflavones. Aren't they estrogenic?
     
  5. pisser

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    It can be at higher amounts. Fermented soybeans have high k2 and the isoflavins help with gut bacteria. Generally, eating more fiber tends to allows for more estrogen removal and the phytoestrogens don't hinder your body's ability to have normal androgen levels. Refined soy and estrogens in plastics are something to be worried about. Dairy (at higher amounts) can also be estrogenic if you don't include enough fiber in your diet or if you're always constipated.
     
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    Good, a new hair loss thread so I can interject some thoughts without getting drowned out :D

    I've lost a lot of hair in the past 5 years. I just think that hair loss is the result of some internal condition that deserves the body's attention more, such that the superficial and cosmetic aspects of our health gets sacrificed in order to increase our chances of survival. Just like how when it's cold, the blood flows to protect our internal organs, leaving our extremities with less circulation.

    This seems to be how Danny Roddy writes about solving MPB, with nutrition (food and supplements), such that the internals could be made better, so that the external can look better. With humans, healthy skin and hair is the best example of how health is manifested externally. In my hobby of raising koi, I see the same dynamics at work.

    What wins shows is genetics, body shape, a white and healthy skin background, and even and deep coloration of red and black, with a certain quality of lustre and sheen mixed in. When one knows to choose a koi with potential, he can develop that koi into a show champion, to which being named a Grand Champion is the highest honor in a koi show. The thing a hobbyist must know to do is to keep the pond water clean, while still being able to feed the koi enough quality food to grow. While this seems simple enough, many hobbyists can't do well enough to keep the pond water clean enough for the koi. Or they just feed too little just to keep the pond clean, sacrificing the nutrition aspect for water cleanliness, also sacrificing the proper development of the koi.

    If us humans were koi in a show, we can also judge humans based on body shape, a healthy skin (color of skin certainly not as one-sided as with koi), and a nice crop of hair. If a koi were grown with enough nutrition, in clean pond water, with enough sunlight and oxygen, in conducive temperatures, it would be living a life that is free of stress. It will have more than enough energy to take care of its internal health, and the surplus energy can be spent on making its skin a flawless white in the white areas, an evenly deep, saturated red across its red regions, and a solid black on its black patches - with the overall lustre and sheen giving another dimension of quality. A human with the minimum of internal stresses to deal with would also possess that surplus of energy, for use in improving his outward appearance, as expressed in skin and hair quality.

    I'm winning on koi shows, not to the Grand Champion level yet. But if my koi were any near my state, they wouldn't be winning anything. My hair is thinning around the front, while the sides are thick. I have very high blood pressure, at 180/120. If I can overcome the stresses that made my high blood pressure necessary for protecting my kidneys, my body could lower my blood pressure to normal. I believe at that point I will have that surplus energy, previously used to combat internal stresses, and that surplus can be used to restore my hair to be thick and healthy and lustrous again. Not only that, maybe my libido will improve. And perhaps, I will also have more luck with flattening out my keloidal scars.
     
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    I have, but it has required me to change my entire lifestyle which in hindsight seems it should have been obvious given the complexity of the condition.
    Danny Roddy's work was the gateway in general and certainly nutrition-wise, but for me it's also a matter of managing prolactin, cortisol, estrogen, and all the other hormones of the "sickness state" through tobacco cessation, alcohol cessation, mindfulness practice, focused breathing, pursuing positive outlooks/being gracious, engaging in creative endeavors, practicing good sleep hygiene.
    Though out this process I've definitely had a few setbacks, which served as a reminder this is in my control. Each time I thought I'd pinpointed a problem, I'd start with Ray, Danny, and haidut's work for some quick education then find time to research the topic myself.
    For instance, early this summer I decided to start smoking "natural" cigarettes again. Very quickly I found myself sinking into topor, being irritable, skin porous and prone to acne, hair greasy and thin. I recalled from an interview with Ray that serotonin (the hormone that seemed logically implicated in my torpor) was metabolized in the lungs, so I researched.
    The involvement of serotonin metabolism in cigarette smoke-induced oxidative stress in rat lung in vivo. - PubMed - NCBI
    A-ha! I quit smoking on the spot and never went back.
    Way back in November I was in the midst of my first period of success and allowed myself to get drunk with some friends. Woke up the next day depressed, anxious, unmotivated, timid. I knew my liver was was implicated and my hormones were off so I researched. I found a study (which I now can't locate) that studied college age men who binge-drank and found their estrogen spiked. There are numerous studies on humans and mice demonstrating the hormone-disrupting effects of alcohol.
    Effects of chronic ethanol intake on aromatization of androgens and concentration of estrogen and androgen receptors in rat liver. - PubMed - NCBI
    Again, this made it very easy for me to quit alcohol almost entirely.

    It's been a journey, but it is possible and it is worth it. Hair may be the galvanizing issue for you like it was me, but fixing your lifestyle will improve your libido, muscle mass, life outlook, curiosity, creativity, everything. You just have to find your own way of making it stick.
     
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    @DuggaDugga I stopped drinking for that reason exactly. Marajuana has estrogenic effects as well, sadly I rely on it to maintain focus.
     
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    With marijuana I've found it's a matter of the amount, the strain, my energetic state and, most importantly, the medium it's consumed. Smoking it sends me into an anxious state, vaporizing less so, and edibles I feel fantastic from as long as it's not too great in quantity. If I'm in a good energetic state, I very much enjoy marijuana. If I'm stressed or anxious, it exacerbates those feelings. Either way I like to keep my consumption low overall because most of the activities I engage in I do better when I'm sober.
     
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    I am a daily consumer of marijuana and have found what works for me. I never actually smoke it, rather I extract the oil naturally with heat and pressure from the buds. This gives you just the stuff that gets you high, removing the flower waste. I then dab that oil in a bong, measuring the temperature before I do so because I'm looking only for vapour, rather than burning the oil. What is great about this is that it only takes one hit to get high and your throat and lungs don't hurt. It always feels fairly clean as I don't get the typical "burning out" feeling after. To make sure I don't experience anxiety, I only use indica strains which is more relaxing. As well it induces a lot of creative.. so I see it as a plus.

    As for the hairloss thing, I've been focusing on fixing my stomach health. Raw carrots, a good probiotic, and easy to digest foods is always making a world of a difference in my scalp inflammation. I'm starting to think that the main goal is preventing the scalp itch to cease further loss.
     
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    Search Danny Roddy on youtube. He has a series called "the hairloss myth" and it's really good. He goes through supplementation and nutrition if that's the only thing you're interested in, but understanding the potential causes of mpb will help you save a lot of time. It's a long watch but it's empowering.

    Improving gut health can help, and I don't know how bad your hair is, but something simple as taking low to medium doses of aspirin + k2 while ingesting more caffeine can make a difference overtime.
     
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    Also masturbation increases prolacitn and causes hairloss. Anyone ahve any ideas on how one can stop masturbating?
     
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    Suppress your cortisol with progesterone. Prolactin does cause hairloss, but its secretion from repeated orgasms serve as an adaptive response to abate excessive stress.

    Correlation -/- causation with masturbation and hair loss.
     
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    Progesterone seems to lower my libido and make me sleepy, although it does promote a sense of euphoria. I'm looking for a more pragmatic approach- such as taking a shower and installing a pornography blocker. I cant seem to last more than a few days without looking at internet pornography and giving in to the urges.
     
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    Are you taking thyroid at the moment?
     
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    No I don't really feel the need to. With caffiene, niacinimide, 5dhp glycine, and keeping the milk and sugar coming in my pulse is always>80 usually closer to 90...

    I think maintaining a strong metabolism is giving me stronger libido. Yesterday I viewed pron in the morning. I viewed it and finished 3 more times that day, and each time was good. Ugh I need to stop fapping but part of it is that my metabolism is boosting it too well.
     
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    I've watched all of Danny's videos as well as did email consulting with him. Doing everything he suggests does lower inflammation a bit, but hasn't been enough to stop my hairloss. I'm working to improve gut health and have noticed when my stomach feels good, my scalp inflammation goes away for the most part. As for my hair, I feel its on the brink of becoming obvious that i'm losing. As of right now, when styled properly, it looks like i have a decent head of hair. Aspirin helps a bit, though sometimes when my scalp is really inflammed, it doesn't do much. I take one or two regular strength 325mg aspirin per day. K2 I'm taking 3 - 5 mg orally.. Danny has mentioned these fat soluble vitamins gave him bad stomach pains, and with my stomach bad, i'm trying to go easy on the K2. Any advice?
     
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    Magnesium citrate in high doses (1000-2000mg) for a while will remove calcium from your scalp, allowing circulation again. Do this along with putting your head in a bowl full of apple cider vinegar and sleeping with it still in your hair. Flowers of sulfur taken internally can also decalcify.

    Cardio (20-25 mins every day) followed by muscle training (especially squats), this will raise your IGFBP3 (low in male pattern hairloss and prostate cancer) and testosterone. Testosterone is your friend, people with low test and/or very high estrogen lose hair. Never push yourself through cardio or training when it's suffering, progressively increase intensity and loads through time but always do your training in a manner that doesn't leave you stressed and out of energy after. Don't overlook this one, it will greatly help.

    Taurine (sometimes 1000mg, generally 200mg every meal), vitamin E (without soy or flax, never take any supps containing those contrarily to what "pisser" wrote earlier, very estrogenic). Vitamin A (raises IGFBP3), very important. Vitamin K2. Magnesium, you can switch to a safer type for bones after, like Magnesium gluconate. Selenium (also raises IGFBP3) but just eat broccolis often, they also block estrogen. No need to supplement progesterone ever, it has a feminizing effect and you don't need to be a castrate to retain your hair. Chill on the caffeine, doesn't help with hair (at least taken internally) and can only hinder if it stresses you. Vitamin B6 p5p (50mg a day), also raises IGFBP3. Type "pubmed igfbp3" + all the things I mention, you'll find results on google. Saturated fats (coconut oil) + no unsaturated fats. Saturated increases tumor-suppressor p53, which activates IGFBP3, unsaturated fats do the opposite. Biotin 500mcg a day. Blood giving, iron decreases igfbp3.

    Bicarbonate sodium taken 45 minutes after every meal, will kill off bacteria and raise your Co2 stores. Again CO2 increases IGFBP3 and controls mast cells, which activate calcium signaling. Excess of calcium signaling is the major player in hair loss, that is why magnesium in high doses is very efficicent but also everything that calms and keep calcium in cells. Estrogen and histamine excite cells to trigger calcium signaling. Also, I'd drop the raw carrot, was a waste of time for me and some studies even show it increasing bacterias proved by hydrogen breath test.
     
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    @sladerunner69 Haha, I had the exact same problem and thought of the same solution, the porn blocker. I had to learn how to blacklist certain domains manually, by editing a few files in my "WINDOWS" folder and making certain files uneditable and password-protected, and that helped until I reformatted my computer and reverted everything. I basically did nofap for a year and a half and it definitely helped, but didn't completely stop any hairloss and when I returned to masturbating, I realized how harsh I was being to my own body in the past. As a result, though, I could last two weeks without touching myself. If you wish to pursue this, and have worries about failing, just know it gets easier and your desire for sex reduces to a normal level, which is very freeing cause you're not as much of a slave to your own urges.

    There's a flucuation in hormones in the body after orgasm and ejaculation. Ejaculation makes you lose zinc, which can help keep your testosterone to estrogen ratio at a normal level.

    @helpmyhair In my experience, stomach problems have less to do with k2 and more to do with aspirin. You could lower your dose and eventually build your tolerance.

    How does this work exactly?
     
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    Citric acid leeches calcium from bones and tissues. We're talking about reversing a calcified scalp (calcified sebum and collagen), so a drastic measure is needed in this case. I can attest that it made my feet bones feel weak for a time (although I was also estrogenic at the time). Magnesium in general simply restricts excess calcium signaling, basically preventing further hairline regression. Got this from a guide (ultimate hair loss protocol on google; has a bunch of toxic supps in it though like high dose omega 3) and I think this specific form of Magnesium is needed at first, but flowers of sulphur may do the job and be safer (some testimonals from guys using high dose msm partly reversed hair loss).

    Try Carlson K2 5mg, you can split it in small doses and it has no soy, so you can keep your testosterone and your hair.

    BTW, ironically forgot my favorite supp : Zinc picolinate. Steers pretty much every parameters of male hair loss toward protection and growth. Just as zinc is low and copper is high in prostate cancer (estrogenic cancer by nature), they oppose each other. Anti-aromatase, restricts calcium signaling, anti-bacterial (so it lowers histamine), promotes good immunity, increases testosterone. 50mg for a while and then you'll be alright. Some people may use molybdenum to chelate excess copper, but at the same time copper is needed for good hair quality, so you'll need it down the line.

    This is one of the study that links low IGFBP3 and high IGF-1 with male pattern balding, there's also one by McGill with young people but I don't find it right now. That's how I got all the supps I recommend because they are linked with higher IGFBP3 (and even cardio followed by muscle training is).
    Vertex balding, plasma insulin-like growth factor 1, and insulin-like growth factor binding protein 3. - PubMed - NCBI
     
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