Androsterone May Be The Main Source Of DHT, Drives Fetal Masculinization

[Perseus]

Low libido seems to be a common report here. Either too high of anti aromatize or something else is happening is the pathway

Yes, I also get lower libido with only 1 or 2 mg a day, but it is something that I appreciate as I am practising NoFap. I read on this forum that a raging libido and an uncontrollable urge to fap is a sign of high oestrogen, so I see this as a good sign.

Androsterone is honestly amazing. I wanted to take a day off pansterone and androsterone yesterday, and in the afternoon I felt like ***t: very depressed and lethargic. I took 1 mg of androsterone and almost immediately felt much better.

 

[vulture]

I knew this question will come up
Well, the only studies we have so far in humans are with DHT given to people with underdeveloped penises. For those people there is clear evidence that androgens like DHT will increase penis length in the vast majority of patients.
Can it do the same in men with "normal" penises? I don't know but older studies in rats showed that androsterone does increase penis length when given to adult animals, and those animals had "normal" penises to start with.

Do you have the link to such studies?

 

[Cameron]

Yes, I also get lower libido with only 1 or 2 mg a day, but it is something that I appreciate as I am practising NoFap. I read on this forum that a raging libido and an uncontrollable urge to fap is a sign of high oestrogen, so I see this as a good sign.

Androsterone is honestly amazing. I wanted to take a day off pansterone and androsterone yesterday, and in the afternoon I felt like ***t: very depressed and lethargic. I took 1 mg of androsterone and almost immediately felt much better.

Raging libido is high estrogen many times but completely loosing it is just as bad in terms of metabolic issue or hormonal imbalance or crashed e2 but yeah no fap for sure has some interesting benefits I've noticed especially after 4-5 days then having real sex and avoiding zinc magnesium deficiency

 

[Perseus]

Raging libido is high estrogen many times but completely loosing it is just as bad in terms of metabolic issue or hormonal imbalance or crashed e2 but yeah no fap for sure has some interesting benefits I've noticed especially after 4-5 days then having real sex and avoiding zinc magnesium deficiency

I haven't completely lost my libido, that would be worrying. When it is time to get aroused, my erections are very good but other than that, thoughts of sex don't really bother me much anymore. They sometimes come and go but it's more like a "hmm that's an interesting thought" rather than "holy ***t I really want to rub one out so I can concentrate on other things again." Basically a huge increase in control of the libido rather than a loss of libido per se.

If I watch porn, I get hard, but I am much better able to control myself and not fap - whereas before androsterone, watching porn was basically a guaranteed fap. I feel like I have this feeling that masturbation isn't quite as satisfying, and my thoughts are directed more towards real women than towards pixels.

I am also much less likely to watch porn now that I am on androsterone: I started my androsterone use on Feb 9, and since then porn has only been watched on 4 days, which is quite good in my opinion. It is to be noted however that those 4 days were all very unproductive as many hours were wasted since I did not let myself get a release. I really ought to cut it out completely!

I don't know if I'm imagining things, but my sense of smell might have increased? This might sound creepy... but I notice the smell of women more than I used to, and when I am near a woman who has a pleasant smell, I get very slightly aroused (not hard, but increased blood flow). I get the same effect sometimes when an attractive girl talks to me.

I also used to have a problem with nocturnal emissions before androsterone. Even if I practised NoFap, the constant raging libido would get me to have wet dreams after only a few days of abstination. After a wet dream, my libido would get even higher ("chaser effect" in NoFap terms) making the practice increasingly more difficult.

Since my androsterone use, only a single nocturnal emission has occurred, a few days ago. I suspect that this wouldn't have happened at all had I not had those 4 unproductive porn binging days.

Basically, I love androsterone. It makes me feel in control.

 

[Cameron]

Does anyone know if Ray has updated opinions of androsterone haven't heard him touch much on it out of couriosity

 

[theLaw]

I don't know if I'm imagining things, but my sense of smell might have increased? This might sound creepy... but I notice the smell of women more than I used to

I think increased sensitivity to smell is from lower estrogen.

I've noticed negative odors from some women, and asked Haidut about it, because I thought that it might be estrogen, but he claimed it was probably prolactin.

On a side note, I smell it most heavily from Indians (male and female), so I wonder if they have some high-pufa food that causes this. I also notice it from older people, and the obese. It's especially strong from those who are clearly under stress.

 

[Broken man]

I haven't completely lost my libido, that would be worrying. When it is time to get aroused, my erections are very good but other than that, thoughts of sex don't really bother me much anymore. They sometimes come and go but it's more like a "hmm that's an interesting thought" rather than "holy ***t I really want to rub one out so I can concentrate on other things again." Basically a huge increase in control of the libido rather than a loss of libido per se.

If I watch porn, I get hard, but I am much better able to control myself and not fap - whereas before androsterone, watching porn was basically a guaranteed fap. I feel like I have this feeling that masturbation isn't quite as satisfying, and my thoughts are directed more towards real women than towards pixels.

I am also much less likely to watch porn now that I am on androsterone: I started my androsterone use on Feb 9, and since then porn has only been watched on 4 days, which is quite good in my opinion. It is to be noted however that those 4 days were all very unproductive as many hours were wasted since I did not let myself get a release. I really ought to cut it out completely!

I don't know if I'm imagining things, but my sense of smell might have increased? This might sound creepy... but I notice the smell of women more than I used to, and when I am near a woman who has a pleasant smell, I get very slightly aroused (not hard, but increased blood flow). I get the same effect sometimes when an attractive girl talks to me.

I also used to have a problem with nocturnal emissions before androsterone. Even if I practised NoFap, the constant raging libido would get me to have wet dreams after only a few days of abstination. After a wet dream, my libido would get even higher ("chaser effect" in NoFap terms) making the practice increasingly more difficult.

Since my androsterone use, only a single nocturnal emission has occurred, a few days ago. I suspect that this wouldn't have happened at all had I not had those 4 unproductive porn binging days.

Basically, I love androsterone. It makes me feel in control.

Perfectly written. I feel it same. Also, with androsterone, I am like romantic,patient lover and can make my girl alot of times and the sex duration is very long. Its interesting, but I can use only very low dose.

 

[Broken man]

Does anyone know if Ray has updated opinions of androsterone haven't heard him touch much on it out of couriosity

There is a thread about it.

 

[Broken man]

I would like to ask a question, Is IT wise to use steroids when person has low ATP levels?

 

[miki14]

I would like to ask a question, Is IT wise to use steroids when person has low ATP levels?

Steroids like dhea and T upregulate enzymes (phosphorefructokinase & hexokinase) responsable for the glucose pathway. Low doses of steroids might increase ATP production. Is it wise though? You might want to pave the way first with some thyroid and lowering estrogen (with vitamin E, pregnenolone or progesterone). Remove stress & allergens, add some red light and then try a little bit of dhea.

 

[ecstatichamster]

My T is normally around 900. I am working on lowering estrogen. Androsterone in the past really tanked my libido and ruined my erections.

I seem to do best with 5mg or so of DHEA (usually orally) and 100mg of pregnenolone (Life Extension, orally), and 5mg - 10mg of progesterone topically. This keeps libido high, erections really good, and it seems to control estrogen although it’s difficult to tell.

Androsterone? No way.

 

[Cameron]

My T is normally around 900. I am working on lowering estrogen. Androsterone in the past really tanked my libido and ruined my erections.

I seem to do best with 5mg or so of DHEA (usually orally) and 100mg of pregnenolone (Life Extension, orally), and 5mg - 10mg of progesterone topically. This keeps libido high, erections really good, and it seems to control estrogen although it’s difficult to tell.

Androsterone? No way.

Did you have blood work while using andro and how much did you try taking I always hoped these 5ar steroids would do well but in practice can be very hit or miss

 

[haidut]

Do you have the link to such studies?

I think I sent them to @Wagner83 some time ago and he also found some of his own. I am travelling so can't search much right now so hopefully he can chime in.

 

[haidut]

Cool. Whats a good dose for both pansterone and androsterone for topical penile application?

I don't know as it has not been tried on humans yet. But people reported increased flacid length from even 5 drops oral Pansterone. The animal studies with androsterone used HED of about 0.15mg/kg daily. If it is rubbed directly on the penis even 1mg-2mg may be enough as those 0.15mg/kg daily spread over the entire body and likely only a tiny fraction reached the penis and still had an effect.

 

[Momado965]

I don't know as it has not been tried on humans yet. But people reported increased flacid length from even 5 drops oral Pansterone. The animal studies with androsterone used HED of about 0.15mg/kg daily. If it is rubbed directly on the penis even 1mg-2mg may be enough as those 0.15mg/kg daily spread over the entire body and likely only a tiny fraction reached the penis and still had an effect.

Will try and report back. Any ideas on how long for effects to occur?

 

[Jing]

I don't know as it has not been tried on humans yet. But people reported increased flacid length from even 5 drops oral Pansterone. The animal studies with androsterone used HED of about 0.15mg/kg daily. If it is rubbed directly on the penis even 1mg-2mg may be enough as those 0.15mg/kg daily spread over the entire body and likely only a tiny fraction reached the penis and still had an effect.

Does it need to be done daily?

 

[ecstatichamster]

Did you have blood work while using andro and how much did you try taking I always hoped these 5ar steroids would do well but in practice can be very hit or miss

Different amounts even very small. No blood work. Just couldn’t get erections etc.

 

[Zigzag]

I had to discontinue it. 1mg daily was too much. Libido crashed completely.

 

[haidut]

Does it need to be done daily?

The studies did a daily adminsitration so I would do the same if trying to replicate the study design.

 

[haidut]

Will try and report back. Any ideas on how long for effects to occur?

The human studies with DHT for micropenis usually lasted 2-3 months with statistically significant increases visible already after the first month. The animal studies with androsterone were much shorter, usually 14-42 days.