Androsterone - Liquid Androsterone For Lab/R&D

[Steene]

I definitely experience this. I probably need to stay away from dojos. The estrogenic men sneer like mean-girls at me and resist fully when partnering. It's just absurd.

Yea one would think gyms and dojos would be predominantly visited by androgenic individuals, but too often the opposite is the fact. Estrogenic aggression seems more like a fear driven defence mechanism.

 

[haidut]

So progesterone is the single best thing to give to women after menopause? Pregnenolone should do its job in raising progesterone and some DHEA if I am not wrong.

Progesterone/DHEA or pregnenolone/DHEA would be what I would give since DHEA levels also strongly decline after the age of about 35. That is probably one reason low-dose DHEA supplementation has been found so beneficial for women trying to conceive. I think @tara and @Blossom both have some good experience to share from using low-dose DHEA, and I think also in combination with progesterone.
But if you have to only use one steroid and the woman is prone to very high aromatization then progesterone on its own is probably the best way to go.

 

[Blossom]

Progesterone/DHEA or pregnenolone/DHEA would be what I would give since DHEA levels also strongly decline after the age of about 35. That is probably one reason low-dose DHEA supplementation has been found so beneficial for women trying to conceive. I think @tara and @Blossom both have some good experience to share from using low-dose DHEA, and I think also in combination with progesterone.
But if you have to only use one steroid and the woman is prone to very high aromatization then progesterone on its own is probably the best way to go.

Yes, I've used dhea with progesterone and pregnenolone for menopause symptoms. I use it mostly vaginally although 2.5 mg dhea oral seems helpful. I'm 49.

 

[Dobbler]

Not really, T is not much different than E2 and converts into it easily (albeit less easily than DHEA). If anything, progesterone would be attracted to DHT and estrogen would be driven towards DHT but in an antagonistic and militant way. In William Blakes language, progesterone and DHT are opposites and are crucial for each other, while estrogen is a negation to both progesterone and DHT and clashes with them any chance it gets. I have seen the high-estrogen phenotype in both males and females and they both react violently to high-progesterone women as well as to high-DHT males.

What type of personality is high progesterone woman? I would assume the younger you are better the progesterone/estrogen ratio because it hasnt f*cked up too much yet. But the general estrogen load is so big nowadays from bad diet, cosmetics etc. that the ratio gets messed up pretty early.
This is very interesting about the personality types of different hormones, maybe you could make a post about it

 

[Cameron]

Do we know if Androsterone drops with age in males thus being part of a reason for estrogen increase and metabolic decrease?dht doesn't seem to decrease much with age and in some studies increase actually despite lower dhea and testosterone. What age would andro levels be highest puberty or post puberty? do we know enough about the 5ar pool in which these metabolites are best to supplement with?

 

[baccheion]

Not really, T is not much different than E2 and converts into it easily (albeit less easily than DHEA). If anything, progesterone would be attracted to DHT and estrogen would be driven towards DHT but in an antagonistic and militant way. In William Blakes language, progesterone and DHT are opposites and are crucial for each other, while estrogen is a negation to both progesterone and DHT and clashes with them any chance it gets. I have seen the high-estrogen phenotype in both males and females and they both react violently to high-progesterone women as well as to high-DHT males.

Interesting. Well then am I correct about estrogen's effect on physical development in women? That is, estrogen increases butt/thigh size and progesterone (+ estrogen) increases breast size? Also, female looks (top heavy, bottom heavy, etc) attract which male looks (DHT heavy, testosterone heavy, estrogen heavy, etc).

The Effect of Hormone Levels in WomenHot or Not: The Effect of Hormone Levels on Attraction

 

[Cameron]

Interesting. Well then am I correct about estrogen's effect on physical development in women? That is, estrogen increases butt/thigh size and progesterone (+ estrogen) increases breast size? Also, female looks (top heavy, bottom heavy, etc) attract which male looks (DHT heavy, testosterone heavy, estrogen heavy, etc).

Nothing sexier then big butt tight waist and big breast usually girls with that look have great skin too so I'm sure it's a good ratio of healthy androgens progesterone and normal youthful levels of estrogen.

 

[baccheion]

Nothing sexier then big butt tight waist and big breast usually girls with that look have great skin too so I'm sure it's a good ratio of healthy androgens progesterone and normal youthful levels of estrogen.

But which is associated with each feature? Butt is shaped by? Breasts are associated with? Etc.

 

[tara]

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[japanesedude]

The scent of attractiveness: levels of reproductive hormones explain individual differences in women's body odour.
The scent of attractiveness: levels of reproductive hormones explain individual differences in women's body odour. - PubMed - NCBI

Interestingly, women's body odour attractiveness was predicted by their oestradiol and progesterone levels: the higher a woman's levels of oestradiol and the lower her levels of progesterone, the more attractive her body odour was rated.

 

[vulture]

The scent of attractiveness: levels of reproductive hormones explain individual differences in women's body odour.
The scent of attractiveness: levels of reproductive hormones explain individual differences in women's body odour. - PubMed - NCBI

Interestingly, women's body odour attractiveness was predicted by their oestradiol and progesterone levels: the higher a woman's levels of oestradiol and the lower her levels of progesterone, the more attractive her body odour was rated.

I guess ladies here wouldn't smell well then

 

[jb116]

The scent of attractiveness: levels of reproductive hormones explain individual differences in women's body odour.
The scent of attractiveness: levels of reproductive hormones explain individual differences in women's body odour. - PubMed - NCBI

Interestingly, women's body odour attractiveness was predicted by their oestradiol and progesterone levels: the higher a woman's levels of oestradiol and the lower her levels of progesterone, the more attractive her body odour was rated.

Question is, what was dominant and the levels of the mens' hormones judging odor attractiveness...?

 

[Cameron]

Maybe the men smelling we're estrogen dominat like most men are

 

[haidut]

The scent of attractiveness: levels of reproductive hormones explain individual differences in women's body odour.
The scent of attractiveness: levels of reproductive hormones explain individual differences in women's body odour. - PubMed - NCBI

Interestingly, women's body odour attractiveness was predicted by their oestradiol and progesterone levels: the higher a woman's levels of oestradiol and the lower her levels of progesterone, the more attractive her body odour was rated.

See what @Cameron said above. Also, blood estradiol and progesterone levels do not mean much. Often high blood estradiol means low tissue estradiol. I would like to see this test repeated but instead of estradiol they should measure prolactin. No need to measure progesterone either. Prolactin alone should be pretty telling. I can tell you already that this has already been tested a few times. The results were that women who have recently given birth and are lactating (so high prolactin, high estrogen and low progesterone) are NOT ranked as attractive-smelling by males. The males were not told the women have recently given birth, so it was entirely based on smell. However, pregnant women (high progesterone, low prolactin, low estrogen) are often ranked as very attractive looking AND smelling. There is an entire sub-industry in the adult movie business that does nothing but "preggo porn" for that very reason. Adult industry knows VERY well what people out there like

 

[haidut]

Interesting. Well then am I correct about estrogen's effect on physical development in women? That is, estrogen increases butt/thigh size and progesterone (+ estrogen) increases breast size? Also, female looks (top heavy, bottom heavy, etc) attract which male looks (DHT heavy, testosterone heavy, estrogen heavy, etc).

The Effect of Hormone Levels in WomenHot or Not: The Effect of Hormone Levels on Attraction

Thin waist and wide hips and thicc thighs are usually associated with higher progesterone. Estrogen is more involved in breast size. The hourglass shape is typically due to higher progestrone/estrogen ratio. Higher estrogen/progesterone ratio leads to central obesity in women (and men), which is the exact opposite of the hourglass shape. Estrogen dominance really does not lead to pleasing shapes in either sex. Facial and bodily deformities not due to trauma are known to be caused by high estrogen. Peat spoke about this too so if you search the forum you will find it.

 

[haidut]

What type of personality is high progesterone woman? I would assume the younger you are better the progesterone/estrogen ratio because it hasnt f*cked up too much yet. But the general estrogen load is so big nowadays from bad diet, cosmetics etc. that the ratio gets messed up pretty early.
This is very interesting about the personality types of different hormones, maybe you could make a post about it

Feminine, intelligent, sparkly eyes, creative, accepting, caring, empathetic, etc. Hard to miss, women like that radiate love

 

[Mauritio]

Feminine, intelligent, sparkly eyes, creative, accepting, caring, empathetic, etc. Hard to miss, women like that radiate love

Wow very accurate description. Esp. the sparkly eyes and love radiating.

 

[Cameron]

Feminine, intelligent, sparkly eyes, creative, accepting, caring, empathetic, etc. Hard to miss, women like that radiate love

I know a few girls like this I can tell you I can sense them even before I make contact with them and they have a unbelievable force of attraction to the point it is very hard to walk away from them cause you just want to keep getting to know them and impress them they also tend to shine more around androgenic confident men and become less personal and annoyed also way less random smiling around estrogenic soy boy types. I manage a gym and I've been able to see this social expirement for three years now. You can tell by a girls smile and eyes and even how close she is talking to you and a big one is random smiling and noticable eye shine Wich expresses youth health and interest

 

[Cameron]

These girls in particular I'm talking about are also sooooo beyond mature compared to the detached from reality types 10 15 years older then them wondering why there still single and alone at the bar

 

[baccheion]

Thin waist and wide hips and thicc thighs are usually associated with higher progesterone. Estrogen is more involved in breast size. The hourglass shape is typically due to higher progestrone/estrogen ratio. Higher estrogen/progesterone ratio leads to central obesity in women (and men), which is the exact opposite of the hourglass shape. Estrogen dominance really does not lead to pleasing shapes in either sex. Facial and bodily deformities not due to trauma are known to be caused by high estrogen. Peat spoke about this too so if you search the forum you will find it.

WTF? Where are you getting these ideas? Any sources?

Based on what I've read, estrogen is said to oppose water retention and fat deposition in the middle and pushes it toward the lower body. Progesterone pushes it toward breast tissue. Progesterone (+ estrogen) is associated with aethestic/facial attractiveness, a glow (switches bias from estradiol to estriol), a small butt, and fuller breasts.

Fat/water collecting around the middle is usually related to blood sugar, insulin, thyroid/cortisol/stress/estrogen-dominance, low estrogen, etc issues.

If certain stereotypes associated to ethnicities are true (ie, African-American and Mexican-American males liking curvier women and Caucasian males preferring petite Oriental-looking women), then "real men like curves." That is, one study showed Mexican-American males had the highest level of testosterone and DHT (and lowest levels of estradiol) followed by African-Americans and Caucasians. The figure idealized by Orientals is said to be strongly progesterone-biased down to the lighter skin.

Racial variation in sex steroid hormone concentration in black and white men: a meta-analysis

Serum estrogen, but not testosterone, levels differ between black and white men in a nationally representative sample of Americans. - PubMed - NCBI

https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/13685530903071802?journalCode=itam20