Androsterone - Liquid Androsterone For Lab/R&D

[haidut]

Update: first few days applied to my rat

Dose:

Day #1: 1 drop on abdomen + 4 drops Pansterone (abdomen)

Day #2: 1 drop on abdomen + 2 drops Pansterone (abdomen) am/ same for pm

Day #3: 4 drop on abdomen + 4 drops Pansterone (abdomen)/pm

Day #4: 4 drop on abdomen + 4 drops Pansterone (abdomen) am/4 drops Pansterone (abdomen) pm

Effects:

+much higher libido
+increased temps (went to 99 for the first time in over a year)
+much higher erection quality (near viagra levels an hour after application)
+increased metabolism - keeping this thing fed takes some work
+better muscle tone
+much more calm, and blood sugar more stable (seems like thyroid)
+larger flaccid hang
+waking in the night due to higher libido
+drinking at least a half gallon of homemade chocolate milk each day easily with zero digestive issues

-Pansterone without Androsterone increases libido some, but no erection quality increase - adding rone feels like a completely different animal
-disturbed sleep, which appears to be from lowering cortisol too much, but feels very different than caffeine, niacinamide overdose, or stearic acid
-nightmares
-tried taurine, aspirin, milk + sugar, and glycine during the night, but glycine is the only thing that helped to get back to sleep

At 4 drops rone + pansterone, rat really feels a huge kick in sex drive, but the sleep issues are a problem. Perhaps rat just needs to feed this more, so I'll need to do more testing.

Now I wonder how much rone my rat's body was producing on it's own, which seems like very little.

Any ideas on this @haidut?

BTW: Andosterone + Pansterone applied near the rat's penis is the most powerful supplement that I've taken from Idealabs by far.

Wow, this is pretty impressive! I have similar effects when combining androsterone + Pansterone, but in my case the andro dose has to be kept below the pansterone dose or at most equal to it to avoid the sleep disturbances you noticed. Androsterone is a GABA agonist and increases noradrenaline turnover, and either one of these can interfere with sleep. But so far when using andro in doses below 5mg even an hour before bed does not disturb sleep as long as it is taken with the 5mg pansterone. I think the pregnenolone/DHEA negate the effects of andro on noradrenaline, and this prevents the sleep disturbance.

 

[haidut]

I had some heart related side effects (angina/something that felt like a small heart attack) which I might attribute to the Androsterone, as I started googling and saw that AIs are often linked to cardiovascular risk and complications.. Could my symptoms be linked to the Androsterone Haidut?

Gonna replace my Androsterone with TocoVit drops for now for the AI effect.

Does Androsterone (this product) have the same dangerous side effects like raising cholesterol as the synthetic 1-Androsterone does?

I would certainly not use it if you feel like it gives you chest symptoms. Androsterone was used as a prescription drug back in the 50s and 60s of the past century to lower cholesterol. So, I highly doubt it is raising it. Search the forum for "androsterone cholesterol".

 

[haidut]

Finally got time to report.
So started Mr Rat on Tyromax 1 drop BD, Androsterone 1 drop daily, 1mg Methylene blue daily, 2 drops Magnoil BD
two weeks ago. Well the rat's strength is the highest it has been for many rat years. Bodyfat has dropped 1-2%. Muscles are fuller. Yes the rat is happy with the progress.

Nice, thanks for the feedback! Any pheromone effects? Do women seem more/less interested, and men more/less irritable around you?

 

[haidut]

Is this Androsterone the same as 4-androsterone?

No it is not. All of these steroids are actually isomers of DHEA. The DHEA can be called 5-isoandrosterone, so the 4-androsterone, 2-androsterone, and 1-androsterone are various of it. None of them are comparable to the real androsterone, which is a fully saturated steroids with the chemical name 3a,5a-androstane-3-ol-17-one.

 

[Waynish]

Nice, thanks for the feedback! Any pheromone effects? Do women seem more/less interested, and men more/less irritable around you?

I've definitely thought I noticed androsterone seemingly increase women's stress around me (ones I was already sleeping with).

 

[haidut]

I've definitely thought I noticed androsterone seemingly increase women's stress around me (ones I was already sleeping with).

Good to know, thanks. Interestingly, a study on the pheromone effects of androsterone also found that it made women more nervous and less secure in themselves when around the person wearing an androsterone ointment.

 

[Braveheart]

Finally got time to report.
So started Mr Rat on Tyromax 1 drop BD, Androsterone 1 drop daily, 1mg Methylene blue daily, 2 drops Magnoil BD
two weeks ago. Well the rat's strength is the highest it has been for many rat years. Bodyfat has dropped 1-2%. Muscles are fuller. Yes the rat is happy with the progress.

sorry...BD means?

 

[Braveheart]

Good to know, thanks. Interestingly, a study on the pheromone effects of androsterone also found that it made women more nervous and less secure in themselves when around the person wearing an androsterone ointment.

Well, I want them to feel confident and secure....not good...use Andro, and verdict still out on how women are reacting...mostly the younger ones I'm watching...so far, positive...lot of other things in play...cultural, age etc...interesting

 

[Waynish]

Good to know, thanks. Interestingly, a study on the pheromone effects of androsterone also found that it made women more nervous and less secure in themselves when around the person wearing an androsterone ointment.

Yes that's definitely a description of what I observed :)

 

[haidut]

Well, I want them to feel confident and secure....not good...use Andro, and verdict still out on how women are reacting...mostly the younger ones I'm watching...so far, positive...lot of other things in play...cultural, age etc...interesting

I should have said that the study only found this effect when women were around men they did NOT like. So, the androsterone made the disliked male seem dangerous/aggressive, while it made women like even more the males they liked without androsterone. So, androsterone is more of a potentiator of already existing dynamics, it seems, but not a inducer of anything by itself.

 

[Waynish]

I should have said that the study only found this effect when women were around men they did NOT like. So, the androsterone made the disliked male seem dangerous/aggressive, while it made women like even more the males they liked without androsterone. So, androsterone is more of a potentiator of already existing dynamics, it seems, but not a inducer of anything by itself.

I wouldn't frame it with respect to the male at all. These hormones are going into the woman and affecting her just anything else, but more potent - as they're evaporating off your skin if you're using them transdermally... And if you rubbed them in with your hand and then touched her, then she may have emotional effects that she's surprised by (which is probably fuel to an emotional fire if they're already estrogenic). Overall, I'd say the potential negative effects are more a factor of the health of the woman.

 

[Wagner83]

Ray said it can cause estrogens surges in the people who smell it, we all remember (mail advice depository thread) that lady borrowing his shirt .

 

[TreasureVibe]

I would certainly not use it if you feel like it gives you chest symptoms. Androsterone was used as a prescription drug back in the 50s and 60s of the past century to lower cholesterol. So, I highly doubt it is raising it. Search the forum for "androsterone cholesterol".

So I am the living proof that lowering cholesterol instead of high cholesterol causes heart disease. LOL jk. But yeah thnx for replying, I might try Pregnenolone instead, can pregnenolone also alter cholesterol levels and affect the heart? Thnx!

 

[BrianF]

Any of you guys taking Androsterone orally? I have the SFA esters version, doesn't taste too great, but I have taken 2 drops orally and two drops in scrotum on Day1 and Day2.

Im going to stick around 4 drops throughout the life if the bottle. I like that around 3 drops should inhibit aromatase by up to 90%.

Feel calm, focussed and content and no matter what happens i can deal with it with a smile on my face.

 

[nwo2012]

sorry...BD means?

the Latin "bis in die" shortened to BID or BD simply means twice daily.
I've been working in the disease and cancer industry too long. Or should I say "healthcare".

 

[nwo2012]

Nice, thanks for the feedback! Any pheromone effects? Do women seem more/less interested, and men more/less irritable around you?

I did seem to notice that female rats seem to move a bit closer. Male rats appear more nervous around the rat. Could be imagining it of course of maybe it was that way before. lol.

 

[theLaw]

Update:

Last few days I have been applying 4-5drops to lower abdomen with 4 drops Pansterone twice per day. Also taking Tyromix (5 drops) 3 times per day.

Sleep has improved, and larger flaccid hang usually last for 5hrs after application. Also, morning wood is back after being gone for a couple of weeks.

My current theory is that my rat had much more fat compromising my metabolism that initially thought bringing my androgen production to a halt, so I'll need to adjust the diet to get rid of it safety along with more caffeine to further clean out the liver. In the past I did this too quickly without enough sups to block ffa release, and rat started to get lipofuscin on hands, which has since improved.

Haven't seen any negative libido symptoms so far, so I assume the 10 drops per day is safe at the moment. For safety reasons, I'm not applying them to rat's scrotum, so a buildup of fat around the lower abdomen might be effecting absorption.

 

[theLaw]

Update:

Spoke too soon. Started to see decrease in eq tonight, so I'll go back to 1 drop just to be safe.

Since my rat was taking it under 10mg per day with equal parts Pansterone, any ideas on why it started to have a negative effect on libido?

@haidut

 

[Wagner83]

Update:

Spoke too soon. Started to see decrease in eq tonight, so I'll go back to 1 drop just to be safe.

Since my rat was taking it under 10mg per day with equal parts Pansterone, any ideas on why it started to have a negative effect on libido?

@haidut

This is one of the explanations of haidut, I don't know if it's the right one:
https://raypeatforum.com/community/threads/the-nofap-thread-get-in-here.14628/page-12#post-350237
How are your energy levels and drive to do things ?

 

[theLaw]

This is one of the explanations of haidut, I don't know if it's the right one:
https://raypeatforum.com/community/threads/the-nofap-thread-get-in-here.14628/page-12#post-350237
How are your energy levels and drive to do things ?

Energy levels are great actually, and aside from the libido issues, it's all positive. I'll do some more testing over the next few days to see if I missed some variable in the mix.

The only time my energy tanks is when I don't have enough thyroid (like not taking some before bed, and sleeping for 9hrs).