Amazing article: Vitamin C and Coronavirus: Not a Vaccine, Just a Humble Cure

[livesimply]

just read this article: Vitamin C and Coronavirus: Not a Vaccine, Just a Humble Cure - Townsend Letter

what do you think? of course the US suppresses stuff like this--there's no $$$ in it!

 

[Inaut]

C is good for a host of ailments as you very well know. I’m recently hooked on pine needle tea which is reported to be very high in vitamin c but also shikimic acid and polyprenols which are also helpful for infections and immunity. If you have pine in your geographic location, I’d say start foraging as it’s cheaper than buying synthetic vitamin c and probably a lot more effective due to other phytochemicals

 

[boris]

Definitely, people talk about the effectivity of it since the beginning of the "pandemic", the article in that newsletter came out on orthomolecular.org more than one year ago, and this kind of information is being supressed worldwide.

Ursula von der Leyen, the president of the European Comission, was on national TV telling the german people that vitamin c doesn't work and to stop listening to so called alternative information.

Vitamin C Treatment of COVID-19: Case Reports

The Treatment of Infectious Disease Using Vitamin C and other Nutrients

Vitamin C Cuts COVID Deaths by Two-Thirds

Preliminary Report of Chinese High Dose Vitamin C for Covid-19 Treatment Studies

The Application of High-dose Intravenous Vitamin C in Severe Respiratory Virus Infections

Vitamin C for the Prevention and Treatment of Coronavirus

Vitamin C Evidence for Treating Complications of COVID-19 and other Viral Infections

 

[livesimply]

Definitely, people talk about the effectivity of it since the beginning of the "pandemic", the article in that newsletter came out on orthomolecular.org more than one year ago, and this kind of information is being supressed worldwide.

Ursula von der Leyen, the president of the European Comission, was on national TV telling the german people that vitamin c doesn't work and to stop listening to so called alternative information.

Vitamin C Treatment of COVID-19: Case Reports

The Treatment of Infectious Disease Using Vitamin C and other Nutrients

Vitamin C Cuts COVID Deaths by Two-Thirds

Preliminary Report of Chinese High Dose Vitamin C for Covid-19 Treatment Studies

The Application of High-dose Intravenous Vitamin C in Severe Respiratory Virus Infections

Vitamin C for the Prevention and Treatment of Coronavirus

Vitamin C Evidence for Treating Complications of COVID-19 and other Viral Infections

Thanks for the other link I'm slow to the game on this info (sadly) but glad I'm learning about it now--more ammunition against getting the "vaccine."

 

[StephanF]

Dr. Mercola was threatened and had to remove articles promoting vitamin C, D3 and zinc for treatment of Covid-19. So it must work....

The Largest Blunder in Human History?

Evolutionary theorist and author Bret Weinstein recently appeared on Joe Rogan's podcast to discuss some of the most heavily censored topics today.

articles.mercola.com

 

[Peater Piper]

just read this article: Vitamin C and Coronavirus: Not a Vaccine, Just a Humble Cure - Townsend Letter

what do you think? of course the US suppresses stuff like this--there's no $$$ in it!

I think they likely provide some benefit, but no reason to expect miracles imo. My experience using ascorbic acid to treat a simple cold was not a confidence builder, I ended up with one of the worst sinus infections I've ever had.

Effect of Zinc and Ascorbic Acid on Symptom Length Among Patients With SARS-CoV-2

This randomized clinical trial examines whether high-dose zinc and/or high-dose ascorbic acid reduces the severity or duration of symptoms compared with usual care among ambulatory patients with severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2) infection.

jamanetwork.com

"A total of 214 patients were randomized, with a mean (SD) age of 45.2 (14.6) years and 132 (61.7%) women. The study was stopped for a low conditional power for benefit with no significant difference among the 4 groups for the primary end point. Patients who received usual care without supplementation achieved a 50% reduction in symptoms at a mean (SD) of 6.7 (4.4) days compared with 5.5 (3.7) days for the ascorbic acid group, 5.9 (4.9) days for the zinc gluconate group, and 5.5 (3.4) days for the group receiving both (overall P = .45). There was no significant difference in secondary outcomes among the treatment groups."

 

[livesimply]

I think they likely provide some benefit, but no reason to expect miracles imo. My experience using ascorbic acid to treat a simple cold was not a confidence builder, I ended up with one of the worst sinus infections I've ever had.

Did you use the ascorbic acid intravenously? If you read the entire article, that makes a huge difference with the results.

 

[Peater Piper]

Did you use the ascorbic acid intravenously? If you read the entire article, that makes a huge difference with the results.

Not really feasible for at-home use, I was taking about 20 grams per day, which was my bowel tolerance. Perhaps it may work better intravenously, but even then, I'm not finding consistent results. I have been using lower doses of sodium ascorbate and ionic zinc as a prophylactic, I don't know if what I'm doing has proven efficacy, but the doses I'm using should be relatively harmless.

Pilot trial of high-dose vitamin C in critically ill COVID-19 patients - Annals of Intensive Care

Background Few specific medications have been proven effective for the treatment of patients with severe coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19). Here, we tested whether high-dose vitamin C infusion was effective for severe COVID-19. Methods This randomized, controlled, clinical trial was performed...

annalsofintensivecare.springeropen.com

 

[boris]

I think they likely provide some benefit, but no reason to expect miracles imo. My experience using ascorbic acid to treat a simple cold was not a confidence builder, I ended up with one of the worst sinus infections I've ever had.

Did you use a trusted brand like Quali-C? Vitamin C is known to be heavily contaminated with heavy metals, which would cause reactions like yours.


Ray Peat:
"Yes, more than 20 years ago, I pointed out the amount of heavy metal
contamination, and the frequent reactions I had seen, to Pauling, and he
just said I should use Bronson's C, as if that would have been made with
anything except Hoffman-LaRoche's stuff. (It was Pauling's own
description of the manufacturing process for sulfuric acid, using a
"lead room," that got me thinking about the dangers of things
manufactured with it.) I guess ADM is making a large fraction of
ascorbic acid now, so I wouldn't be surprised if some of it was worse
than when the heavy metal studies were published several years ago."


"The alteration of production processes in vitamin E manufacture when the
evil soybean monopoly bought the industry from Eastman Chemical is
analogous to what happened earlier in the vitamin C industry, as profits
were maximized. The dramatic vitamin C studies in the 1930s often used
only 15 or 25 milligrams per day. In 1953, my first experience with it
(which was still sold as "cevitamic acid")involved 50 mg per day, and
over a period of just 2 or 3 days, my chronic awful poison oak allergy
disappeared. Up until this time, it was still too expensive to sell in
large doses. Around 1955 or '56, new manufacturing methods made it cheap
(and, for some reason, the name changed from cevitamic to ascorbic) and
the average tablet went up to 500 mg. The first time I tried the new
form, around 1956, I developed allergy symptoms within a couple of days.
Over the next 20 years, my own increased sensitivity to synthetic
ascorbate led me to look for such reactions in others. The same
people who reacted to it often reacted similarly to riboflavin and
rutin, which were also made from cornstarch by oxidation. I ascribed the
reaction to some industrial contaminant that they had in common,
possibly the heavy metals introduced with the sulfuric acid. The heavy
metal contamination of synthetic ascorbate is so great that one 500 mg
tablet dissolved in a liter of water produces free radicals at a rate
that would require a killing dose of x-rays to equal. The only clean and
safe vitamin C now available is that in fresh fruits, meats, etc. The
commercial stuff is seriously dangerous."

 

[livesimply]

Did you use a trusted brand like Quali-C? Vitamin C is known to be heavily contaminated with heavy metals, which would cause reactions like yours.


......The heavy metal contamination of synthetic ascorbate is so great that one 500 mg
tablet dissolved in a liter of water produces free radicals at a rate
that would require a killing dose of x-rays to equal. The only clean and
safe vitamin C now available is that in fresh fruits, meats, etc. The
commercial stuff is seriously dangerous."

Wow--thanks for that info. I've been using Nutrigold Whole Food Vitamin C but now I'm wondering about it.....

 

[Peater Piper]

Did you use a trusted brand like Quali-C? Vitamin C is known to be heavily contaminated with heavy metals, which would cause reactions like yours.

I did, that's all I use. Attached is the specific brand I used at that time. I take a gram a day now mixed with a little baking soda, which seems to help prevent nose bleeds and sinus irritation, but more than that seems to actually dry my sinuses out.

Amazon product ASIN B00GLX3C4GView: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00GLX3C4G/ref=ppx_od_dt_b_asin_title_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

 

[boris]

@Peater Piper Oh I see ...as it often goes: less is more

 

[Elchupanibrain]

C is good for a host of ailments as you very well know. I’m recently hooked on pine needle tea which is reported to be very high in vitamin c but also shikimic acid and polyprenols which are also helpful for infections and immunity. If you have pine in your geographic location, I’d say start foraging as it’s cheaper than buying synthetic vitamin c and probably a lot more effective due to other phytochemicals

Pine needle tea contains also Suramin, studies show inhibition of viral replication

Structural basis for inhibition of the SARS-CoV-2 RNA polymerase by suramin - Nature Structural & Molecular Biology

The antiparasitic drug suramin directly inhibits SARS-CoV-2 RNA-dependent RNA polymerase by blocking binding of the RNA template–primer duplex and entry of nucleotide triphosphate to the catalytic site.

www.nature.com

 

[Dr. B]

Did you use a trusted brand like Quali-C? Vitamin C is known to be heavily contaminated with heavy metals, which would cause reactions like yours.


Ray Peat:
"Yes, more than 20 years ago, I pointed out the amount of heavy metal
contamination, and the frequent reactions I had seen, to Pauling, and he
just said I should use Bronson's C, as if that would have been made with
anything except Hoffman-LaRoche's stuff. (It was Pauling's own
description of the manufacturing process for sulfuric acid, using a
"lead room," that got me thinking about the dangers of things
manufactured with it.) I guess ADM is making a large fraction of
ascorbic acid now, so I wouldn't be surprised if some of it was worse
than when the heavy metal studies were published several years ago."


"The alteration of production processes in vitamin E manufacture when the
evil soybean monopoly bought the industry from Eastman Chemical is
analogous to what happened earlier in the vitamin C industry, as profits
were maximized. The dramatic vitamin C studies in the 1930s often used
only 15 or 25 milligrams per day. In 1953, my first experience with it
(which was still sold as "cevitamic acid")involved 50 mg per day, and
over a period of just 2 or 3 days, my chronic awful poison oak allergy
disappeared. Up until this time, it was still too expensive to sell in
large doses. Around 1955 or '56, new manufacturing methods made it cheap
(and, for some reason, the name changed from cevitamic to ascorbic) and
the average tablet went up to 500 mg. The first time I tried the new
form, around 1956, I developed allergy symptoms within a couple of days.
Over the next 20 years, my own increased sensitivity to synthetic
ascorbate led me to look for such reactions in others. The same
people who reacted to it often reacted similarly to riboflavin and
rutin, which were also made from cornstarch by oxidation. I ascribed the
reaction to some industrial contaminant that they had in common,
possibly the heavy metals introduced with the sulfuric acid. The heavy
metal contamination of synthetic ascorbate is so great that one 500 mg
tablet dissolved in a liter of water produces free radicals at a rate
that would require a killing dose of x-rays to equal. The only clean and
safe vitamin C now available is that in fresh fruits, meats, etc. The
commercial stuff is seriously dangerous."

hey mate doesnt Quali C still have the same issues as other vitamin Cs? it still is corn sourced isnt it?

Wow--thanks for that info. I've been using Nutrigold Whole Food Vitamin C but now I'm wondering about it.....

@boris I think the product linked there as well as smartervitamins TruC vitamin c may be safer, the thing is these are much more expensive than even Quali C, and the dosage is smaller however I imagine theyre safer because these seem to literally just be freeze dried, powderized fruits. things like acerola cherry powder, or amla berry powder, are basically freeze dried and powderized and put in a capsule. so you get the nutrigold product which is just 240mg vitamin C per capsule, and then the smartervitamins product is just 90mg per pill. these seem like they would be much more in line with the product Peat said he got which was sold in just 50mg capsules. im assuming his product was probably extracted from a citrus fruit, or maybe a berry mixture. the issues with vitamin C don't seem to just be the heavy metals but also the fact they're made from corn mold/fungus. ive seen Quali C but dont know if its safer, it seems like they still make it the same way other C's are just maybe an overall cleaner factory...

 

[Dr. B]

Did you use a trusted brand like Quali-C? Vitamin C is known to be heavily contaminated with heavy metals, which would cause reactions like yours.


Ray Peat:
"Yes, more than 20 years ago, I pointed out the amount of heavy metal
contamination, and the frequent reactions I had seen, to Pauling, and he
just said I should use Bronson's C, as if that would have been made with
anything except Hoffman-LaRoche's stuff. (It was Pauling's own
description of the manufacturing process for sulfuric acid, using a
"lead room," that got me thinking about the dangers of things
manufactured with it.) I guess ADM is making a large fraction of
ascorbic acid now, so I wouldn't be surprised if some of it was worse
than when the heavy metal studies were published several years ago."


"The alteration of production processes in vitamin E manufacture when the
evil soybean monopoly bought the industry from Eastman Chemical is
analogous to what happened earlier in the vitamin C industry, as profits
were maximized. The dramatic vitamin C studies in the 1930s often used
only 15 or 25 milligrams per day. In 1953, my first experience with it
(which was still sold as "cevitamic acid")involved 50 mg per day, and
over a period of just 2 or 3 days, my chronic awful poison oak allergy
disappeared. Up until this time, it was still too expensive to sell in
large doses. Around 1955 or '56, new manufacturing methods made it cheap
(and, for some reason, the name changed from cevitamic to ascorbic) and
the average tablet went up to 500 mg. The first time I tried the new
form, around 1956, I developed allergy symptoms within a couple of days.
Over the next 20 years, my own increased sensitivity to synthetic
ascorbate led me to look for such reactions in others. The same
people who reacted to it often reacted similarly to riboflavin and
rutin, which were also made from cornstarch by oxidation. I ascribed the
reaction to some industrial contaminant that they had in common,
possibly the heavy metals introduced with the sulfuric acid. The heavy
metal contamination of synthetic ascorbate is so great that one 500 mg
tablet dissolved in a liter of water produces free radicals at a rate
that would require a killing dose of x-rays to equal. The only clean and
safe vitamin C now available is that in fresh fruits, meats, etc. The
commercial stuff is seriously dangerous."

where did you get that Peat quote from?