"Am I The Only One Here Who's Not A Sociopath?" Wonders Nurse Seeing Colleagues Killing Covid Folks

[Tristan Loscha]

It isnt by mistake,and not overwork.Physicians have no proper personality development due to lack of true problems during childhood and adolescence and stay in a child-like,irresponsible state.The workforce like Nurses then recognize that they have no critical oversight and thus can have an outlet for their degenerate smalltime aggressions.They follow the not spoken about,but perceiveable presence of this lawlessness,cloaked with smirks and cliche-bonmots,the entire pseudo-yuppie attitude.

 

[chipdouglas]

It is not just the minorities, everybody is subjected to pretty much the same homicidal procedures, even though I would not be surprised if the minorities have it worse. More than a decade ago, years before I found Peat, I stumbled upon an article on CNN about the actor Evan Handler, who plays the role of Charlotte's (of Sex and the City) husband. For some reason it stuck with me, and I am not sure why. Maybe synchronicity again...
Apparently, he had leukemia in the 1980s and his experience was so traumatizing that he decided to become an advocate teaching people how to behave (a better word would be "fight back" IMO) if they end up in the hospital. He almost got killed several times while in the hospital due to medical incompetence (or malice??), and despite him doing everything in his power to bring these issues up to higher ups he was ignored and at one point labelled "mentally unstable". That latter part is in the video, not the article itself. So, if this treatment can be bestowed upon the rich and famous, it can be forced down upon anybody, even babies (and sadly, often especially babies who can't fight back).
The CNN article is aptly named "Being a "bad" patient can save your life". And another piece of advice - NEVER, EVER go to the hospital without a relative or a person who you can trust, because when you are incapacitated somebody needs to be watching out for you. If Mr. Handler is even 10% right of what hospital experience for critically ill people looks like, then going to a hospital without a trusted entourage is suicide!

'Sex' actor: Being a bad patient can save your life - CNN.com
"...Actor Evan Handler, currently appearing in "Californication," defied statistics and survived leukemia. In many ways, Handler is the ultimate empowered patient. "I learned that I must always remain in control, double-check everyone's work, and trust no one completely," Handler wrote of his approximately eight months in the hospital. "I must have been sheer hell to be around. But I know that my cantankerousness saved my life on several occasions." In his books "It's Only Temporary," and "Time on Fire," Handler wrote that during his months in the hospital, he was given intravenous drugs that were supposed to go to another patient, that nurses tried to give him medications his doctors had forbidden for him and that staff members refused to follow the hospital's posted hygiene precautions for immunosuppressed patients like himself. Handler survived when statistics said he shouldn't have. He endured round after round of chemotherapy, one infection after another and a bone marrow transplant. In this conversation with CNN Medical Correspondent Elizabeth Cohen, Handler discusses firing your doctor, tattooing medical directives on your stomach and the importance of NOT doing exactly what you're told."

"...Cohen: You write about how nurses tried to give you drugs to which you'd had "horrendous adverse reactions" even though doctors had explicitly written in your chart you shouldn't have those drugs. A friend of mine had a similar problem, and we decided maybe he should have hung a sign around his neck with a list of the drugs he wasn't supposed to get.

Handler: That doesn't sound like a bad idea. [A doctor once told me about] a registered nurse who had a "Do Not Resuscitate" order tattooed on her abdomen. She said she felt it was the only way her wishes would be respected.

Cohen: You write about how you became "a criminal of sorts" by forging your doctor's signature on authorization slips so your bloodwork would be done by a lab that ran the tests more quickly. Were you afraid you'd get caught?

Handler: Nothing bad is going to happen to you if you don't do exactly as you're told. They weren't going to put me in jail. I worried about getting caught only because then I wouldn't be able to do it any more.

Cohen: You describe your first doctor as being nasty, hostile and disrespectful. He yelled at your father for calling him on the phone with a question about your care. He yelled at you when you were in the middle of chemotherapy and came to see him with a rash and a fever because the fever was only 100 degrees. Did you wait too long to fire him?

Handler: Oh, yeah. Doctors had told me that I would be endangering my care if I switched doctors, but that advice was criminal. Look, the only way to change things is through the marketplace. Recently I needed to have something in my mouth looked at. The doctor performed a biopsy without lidocaine -- just put a blade in my mouth and cut without telling me. I never went back, and I wrote him a three-page letter. You should leave a bad doctor, and if you have the energy, tell them why you left.

Cohen: When you were being treated for leukemia, you were very, very sick. You said sometimes you were barely conscious. How'd you keep up the stamina to keep double-checking everyone's work?

Handler: I was lucky to be able to maintain my strength and do it as long as I did, and my girlfriend at the time, Jackie, was willing to sit by my side and advocate for me, and she was very skilled at doing it. You wonder, how many people die from illnesses because the strength to keep up vigilance runs out?"

@ecstatichamster @burtlancast @Regina @DaveFoster @Drareg

I strongly agree with the above. I spent a while working as an RN. Meaning I spent a while in various hospitals and the above is an unfortunate reality. Even when in nursing school, teachers would warn us not to leave any close relatives or loved ones alone when hospitalized. Many people don't know about this reality. They believe that being in the hospital equates to being in the right place - thinking : medical staff will take good care of one. I wouldn't think so ! Indeed, double checking everything and having someone to advocate for you (as annoying as it might be to said medical staff) is the only way.

Very good post Haidut - glad you brought that up.

 

[ecstatichamster]

Sorry for your loss. At least she had you to be in there with her. Imagine what terror a critically ill experiences when in the hospital surrounded by psychopaths who stream in to examine (and often medically torture) the latest "specimen" who strolled into the hospital. I have actually heard pediatricians refer to children patients like that and it was not an isolated occurrence.

Thank you @haidut. We had a taste of that in the hospital walking by the nurses station and a doctor was saying, “really? We lost Jones? Huh.” Very callous and unfeeling about the whole thing. I think compassion is beat out of health care workers.

 

[aussiebaldguy]

I went to the doctor for the first time in ten years and he accused me of being a hypochondriac.

 

[tillpickle]

I saw this nurses video a few weeks ago. I feel for her and every healthcare worker who is awake enough to really see what’s happening. Very brave of them to speak up, and sadly not enough of them. It must feel as though they’re working amongst brainwashed zombies on a daily basis

 

[ecstatichamster]

I went to the doctor for the first time in ten years and he accused me of being a hypochondriac.

huh. Wtf??

 

[chipdouglas]

Thank you @haidut. We had a taste of that in the hospital walking by the nurses station and a doctor was saying, “really? We lost Jones? Huh.” Very callous and unfeeling about the whole thing. I think compassion is beat out of health care workers.

Might be as a way of coping with the massive workload and the chaos brought about by the current pandemic. However, in my view it's still unacceptable. Personally, as much as it pains me to admit (because I spent years in college to get there back in my late 30'ies), many things in the medical/nursing profession clashed with my moral values. I tried to push that aside for a while, but then could no longer take it, so I quit. It just wasn't for me.

 

[Regina]

It is not just the minorities, everybody is subjected to pretty much the same homicidal procedures, even though I would not be surprised if the minorities have it worse. More than a decade ago, years before I found Peat, I stumbled upon an article on CNN about the actor Evan Handler, who plays the role of Charlotte's (of Sex and the City) husband. For some reason it stuck with me, and I am not sure why. Maybe synchronicity again...
Apparently, he had leukemia in the 1980s and his experience was so traumatizing that he decided to become an advocate teaching people how to behave (a better word would be "fight back" IMO) if they end up in the hospital. He almost got killed several times while in the hospital due to medical incompetence (or malice??), and despite him doing everything in his power to bring these issues up to higher ups he was ignored and at one point labelled "mentally unstable". That latter part is in the video, not the article itself. So, if this treatment can be bestowed upon the rich and famous, it can be forced down upon anybody, even babies (and sadly, often especially babies who can't fight back).
The CNN article is aptly named "Being a "bad" patient can save your life". And another piece of advice - NEVER, EVER go to the hospital without a relative or a person who you can trust, because when you are incapacitated somebody needs to be watching out for you. If Mr. Handler is even 10% right of what hospital experience for critically ill people looks like, then going to a hospital without a trusted entourage is suicide!

'Sex' actor: Being a bad patient can save your life - CNN.com
"...Actor Evan Handler, currently appearing in "Californication," defied statistics and survived leukemia. In many ways, Handler is the ultimate empowered patient. "I learned that I must always remain in control, double-check everyone's work, and trust no one completely," Handler wrote of his approximately eight months in the hospital. "I must have been sheer hell to be around. But I know that my cantankerousness saved my life on several occasions." In his books "It's Only Temporary," and "Time on Fire," Handler wrote that during his months in the hospital, he was given intravenous drugs that were supposed to go to another patient, that nurses tried to give him medications his doctors had forbidden for him and that staff members refused to follow the hospital's posted hygiene precautions for immunosuppressed patients like himself. Handler survived when statistics said he shouldn't have. He endured round after round of chemotherapy, one infection after another and a bone marrow transplant. In this conversation with CNN Medical Correspondent Elizabeth Cohen, Handler discusses firing your doctor, tattooing medical directives on your stomach and the importance of NOT doing exactly what you're told."

"...Cohen: You write about how nurses tried to give you drugs to which you'd had "horrendous adverse reactions" even though doctors had explicitly written in your chart you shouldn't have those drugs. A friend of mine had a similar problem, and we decided maybe he should have hung a sign around his neck with a list of the drugs he wasn't supposed to get.

Handler: That doesn't sound like a bad idea. [A doctor once told me about] a registered nurse who had a "Do Not Resuscitate" order tattooed on her abdomen. She said she felt it was the only way her wishes would be respected.

Cohen: You write about how you became "a criminal of sorts" by forging your doctor's signature on authorization slips so your bloodwork would be done by a lab that ran the tests more quickly. Were you afraid you'd get caught?

Handler: Nothing bad is going to happen to you if you don't do exactly as you're told. They weren't going to put me in jail. I worried about getting caught only because then I wouldn't be able to do it any more.

Cohen: You describe your first doctor as being nasty, hostile and disrespectful. He yelled at your father for calling him on the phone with a question about your care. He yelled at you when you were in the middle of chemotherapy and came to see him with a rash and a fever because the fever was only 100 degrees. Did you wait too long to fire him?

Handler: Oh, yeah. Doctors had told me that I would be endangering my care if I switched doctors, but that advice was criminal. Look, the only way to change things is through the marketplace. Recently I needed to have something in my mouth looked at. The doctor performed a biopsy without lidocaine -- just put a blade in my mouth and cut without telling me. I never went back, and I wrote him a three-page letter. You should leave a bad doctor, and if you have the energy, tell them why you left.

Cohen: When you were being treated for leukemia, you were very, very sick. You said sometimes you were barely conscious. How'd you keep up the stamina to keep double-checking everyone's work?

Handler: I was lucky to be able to maintain my strength and do it as long as I did, and my girlfriend at the time, Jackie, was willing to sit by my side and advocate for me, and she was very skilled at doing it. You wonder, how many people die from illnesses because the strength to keep up vigilance runs out?"

@ecstatichamster @burtlancast @Regina @DaveFoster @Drareg

I had similar experience. I turned up in Newton-Wellesley ER with a sub-clavein blood clot. ER had nice nurses. I woke up in a room on a heparin drip to a horrible surgeon telling me he had to take my 1st rib out through my neck. He smirked drolly and said 'but no one ever survives this surgery' but that he couldn't let me leave. I started to get out of bed saying I'm outta here. He said, we cannot let you leave. He said he needed to do emergency surgery but that it was very bloody through the neck and I won't survive it. I wasn't anything special but my friend started making calls. It turns out a headhunter acquaintance knew a cardio-vascular surgeon at Mass General and she called him. He said, send her over in an ambulance. This surgeon did the surgery through my armpit. He had invented some suspension hook to hold my arm up while they take the 1st two ribs through. I just went along with it. Woke up in a massive room of post-op people screaming. They kept me in the hospital for weeks on morphine and heparin. Nighttime nurses were viscious sadists yanking my pillow and doing endless thrombin stabs and IV changes. Sent me home with a lifetime perscription of coumarin. The surgeon had no explanation of why I had a blood clot. He said it was "structural". Just born that way. Probably thoracic outlet syndrome. I was on birth control at the time. No one asked me. I took the coumarin for months and dutifully kept getting thrombin tests. My Manhattan internal medicine doc just shrugged his shoulders. No clue or interest in why this occurred. But said I needed to stay on coumarin for life.
One day, I threw them away. Ditched BC pills and started doing pushups. Eventually started doing aikido and never looked back. I've probably been to a doctor twice since then.

 

[haidut]

I strongly agree with the above. I spent a while working as an RN. Meaning I spent a while in various hospitals and the above is an unfortunate reality. Even when in nursing school, teachers would warn us not to leave any close relatives or loved ones alone when hospitalized. Many people don't know about this reality. They believe that being in the hospital equates to being in the right place - thinking : medical staff will take good care of one. I wouldn't think so ! Indeed, double checking everything and having someone to advocate for you (as annoying as it might be to said medical staff) is the only way.

Very good post Haidut - glad you brought that up.

I think you not becoming a doctor is a blessing in disguise Doctors, as psychopathic and callous as they are, still have the highest suicide rate than any profession. So much for the "most noble occupation", as it used to be called up until a few years ago. Imagine what must be going on a daily basis to cause a psychopath to commit suicide...
More Than 30% Of GP Doctors Suffer From "compassion Fatigue"

 

[haidut]

I had similar experience. I turned up in Newton-Wellesley ER with a sub-clavein blood clot. ER had nice nurses. I woke up in a room on a heparin drip to a horrible surgeon telling me he had to take my 1st rib out through my neck. He smirked drolly and said 'but no one ever survives this surgery' but that he couldn't let me leave. I started to get out of bed saying I'm outta here. He said, we cannot let you leave. He said he needed to do emergency surgery but that it was very bloody through the neck and I won't survive it. I wasn't anything special but my friend started making calls. It turns out a headhunter acquaintance knew a cardio-vascular surgeon at Mass General and she called him. He said, send her over in an ambulance. This surgeon did the surgery through my armpit. He had invented some suspension hook to hold my arm up while they take the 1st two ribs through. I just went along with it. Woke up in a massive room of post-op people screaming. They kept me in the hospital for weeks on morphine and heparin. Nighttime nurses were viscious sadists yanking my pillow and doing endless thrombin stabs and IV changes. Sent me home with a lifetime perscription of coumarin. The surgeon had no explanation of why I had a blood clot. He said it was "structural". Just born that way. Probably thoracic outlet syndrome. I was on birth control at the time. No one asked me. I took the coumarin for months and dutifully kept getting thrombin tests. My Manhattan internal medicine doc just shrugged his shoulders. No clue or interest in why this occurred. But said I needed to stay on coumarin for life.
One day, I threw them away. Ditched BC pills and started doing pushups. Eventually started doing aikido and never looked back. I've probably been to a doctor twice since then.

Wow, you sure dodged a bullet (or a knife) there!
Just out of curiosity - why was surgery the only option in your case? Based on my (very limited) knowledge the issue you had is usually "conservatively" treated with IV anti-coagulants and only if there is no improvement after say 4-7 days is then a surgery considered. If that surgeon pushed for the procedure out of pure ego (when other less risky options were available) then he could be liable for malpractice.

 

[LUH 3417]

It isnt by mistake,and not overwork.Physicians have no proper personality development due to lack of true problems during childhood and adolescence and stay in a child-like,irresponsible state.The workforce like Nurses then recognize that they have no critical oversight and thus can have an outlet for their degenerate smalltime aggressions.They follow the not spoken about,but perceiveable presence of this lawlessness,cloaked with smirks and cliche-bonmots,the entire pseudo-yuppie attitude.

Might be as a way of coping with the massive workload and the chaos brought about by the current pandemic. However, in my view it's still unacceptable. Personally, as much as it pains me to admit (because I spent years in college to get there back in my late 30'ies), many things in the medical/nursing profession clashed with my moral values. I tried to push that aside for a while, but then could no longer take it, so I quit. It just wasn't for me.

What did you end up doing instead?

 

[Regina]

Wow, you sure dodged a bullet (or a knife) there!
Just out of curiosity - why was surgery the only option in your case? Based on my (very limited) knowledge the issue you had is usually "conservatively" treated with IV anti-coagulants and only if there is no improvement after say 4-7 days is then a surgery considered. If that surgeon pushed for the procedure out of pure ego (when other less risky options were available) then he could be liable for malpractice.

The surgeon who did the operation has a large pile of patents for tools he likes to hang people on before cutting. He is now a "Medical Technologies" CEO and "BioVentures" Director.
Hah! He did not suggest a non-surgical option. Because their idea was that there was no space between clavicle and 1st rib. He ended up taking the second one too. They also wanted to go back in and put some balloon thing to get the subclavien to open up. But I refused.
He wanted to do the other side profilactically--saying I was a ticking timebomb for the left side to collapse too.
I took my chances.
But they kept up the fear with urging lifetime coumadin and weekly thrombin tests.
I just stopped and I was fine.

 

[burtlancast]

I just stopped and I was fine.

Do you know you can use Vit E at 400-800 UI per day to prevent blood clots ?

Read the books by the Shutes brothers.

 

[Regina]

Do you know you can use Vit E at 400-800 UI per day to prevent blood clots ?

Read the books by the Shutes brothers.

Thx burtlancast.
For sure.
I am sure it was estrogen.
I never had a "thrombin" problem they could detect. They said it was entirely structural and the subclavein was pinched and squooshed.
K2 was great to get a stronger frame. I do take E, progesterone and aspirin and eat more calcium.

 

[DaveFoster]

It is not just the minorities, everybody is subjected to pretty much the same homicidal procedures, even though I would not be surprised if the minorities have it worse. More than a decade ago, years before I found Peat, I stumbled upon an article on CNN about the actor Evan Handler, who plays the role of Charlotte's (of Sex and the City) husband. For some reason it stuck with me, and I am not sure why. Maybe synchronicity again...
Apparently, he had leukemia in the 1980s and his experience was so traumatizing that he decided to become an advocate teaching people how to behave (a better word would be "fight back" IMO) if they end up in the hospital. He almost got killed several times while in the hospital due to medical incompetence (or malice??), and despite him doing everything in his power to bring these issues up to higher ups he was ignored and at one point labelled "mentally unstable". That latter part is in the video, not the article itself. So, if this treatment can be bestowed upon the rich and famous, it can be forced down upon anybody, even babies (and sadly, often especially babies who can't fight back).
The CNN article is aptly named "Being a "bad" patient can save your life". And another piece of advice - NEVER, EVER go to the hospital without a relative or a person who you can trust, because when you are incapacitated somebody needs to be watching out for you. If Mr. Handler is even 10% right of what hospital experience for critically ill people looks like, then going to a hospital without a trusted entourage is suicide!

'Sex' actor: Being a bad patient can save your life - CNN.com
"...Actor Evan Handler, currently appearing in "Californication," defied statistics and survived leukemia. In many ways, Handler is the ultimate empowered patient. "I learned that I must always remain in control, double-check everyone's work, and trust no one completely," Handler wrote of his approximately eight months in the hospital. "I must have been sheer hell to be around. But I know that my cantankerousness saved my life on several occasions." In his books "It's Only Temporary," and "Time on Fire," Handler wrote that during his months in the hospital, he was given intravenous drugs that were supposed to go to another patient, that nurses tried to give him medications his doctors had forbidden for him and that staff members refused to follow the hospital's posted hygiene precautions for immunosuppressed patients like himself. Handler survived when statistics said he shouldn't have. He endured round after round of chemotherapy, one infection after another and a bone marrow transplant. In this conversation with CNN Medical Correspondent Elizabeth Cohen, Handler discusses firing your doctor, tattooing medical directives on your stomach and the importance of NOT doing exactly what you're told."

"...Cohen: You write about how nurses tried to give you drugs to which you'd had "horrendous adverse reactions" even though doctors had explicitly written in your chart you shouldn't have those drugs. A friend of mine had a similar problem, and we decided maybe he should have hung a sign around his neck with a list of the drugs he wasn't supposed to get.

Handler: That doesn't sound like a bad idea. [A doctor once told me about] a registered nurse who had a "Do Not Resuscitate" order tattooed on her abdomen. She said she felt it was the only way her wishes would be respected.

Cohen: You write about how you became "a criminal of sorts" by forging your doctor's signature on authorization slips so your bloodwork would be done by a lab that ran the tests more quickly. Were you afraid you'd get caught?

Handler: Nothing bad is going to happen to you if you don't do exactly as you're told. They weren't going to put me in jail. I worried about getting caught only because then I wouldn't be able to do it any more.

Cohen: You describe your first doctor as being nasty, hostile and disrespectful. He yelled at your father for calling him on the phone with a question about your care. He yelled at you when you were in the middle of chemotherapy and came to see him with a rash and a fever because the fever was only 100 degrees. Did you wait too long to fire him?

Handler: Oh, yeah. Doctors had told me that I would be endangering my care if I switched doctors, but that advice was criminal. Look, the only way to change things is through the marketplace. Recently I needed to have something in my mouth looked at. The doctor performed a biopsy without lidocaine -- just put a blade in my mouth and cut without telling me. I never went back, and I wrote him a three-page letter. You should leave a bad doctor, and if you have the energy, tell them why you left.

Cohen: When you were being treated for leukemia, you were very, very sick. You said sometimes you were barely conscious. How'd you keep up the stamina to keep double-checking everyone's work?

Handler: I was lucky to be able to maintain my strength and do it as long as I did, and my girlfriend at the time, Jackie, was willing to sit by my side and advocate for me, and she was very skilled at doing it. You wonder, how many people die from illnesses because the strength to keep up vigilance runs out?"

Horrifying, thanks.

 

[chipdouglas]

I think you not becoming a doctor is a blessing in disguise Doctors, as psychopathic and callous as they are, still have the highest suicide rate than any profession. So much for the "most noble occupation", as it used to be called up until a few years ago. Imagine what must be going on a daily basis to cause a psychopath to commit suicide...
More Than 30% Of GP Doctors Suffer From "compassion Fatigue"

My view of MDs has changed considerably over the years. Most are the way you described them above. There are a few gems every now and then, but that's it.

''Imagine what must be going on a daily basis to cause a psychopath to commit suicide...''
Imagine that ! (not meant to be sarcastic).

 

[GAF]

It isnt by mistake,and not overwork.Physicians have no proper personality development due to lack of true problems during childhood and adolescence and stay in a child-like,irresponsible state.The workforce like Nurses then recognize that they have no critical oversight and thus can have an outlet for their degenerate smalltime aggressions.They follow the not spoken about,but perceiveable presence of this lawlessness,cloaked with smirks and cliche-bonmots,the entire pseudo-yuppie attitude.

Wow! Sounds just like my brother, the anesthesiologist.

TL, how did you figure this out?

 

[Tristan Loscha]

Wow! Sounds just like my brother, the anesthesiologist.

TL, how did you figure this out?

I had my fair share of contact with physicians,they struck me as odd.I though I was stupid for not recognizing their putative intelligence.

I gathered information of personality profiles and IQ,and too much of a too secure and predictable upbringing and consequences for development and assembled sophisms about them.I had a friend which was zombified by them,they are too stable maniacs or too high resilience,they do not learn about themselves,wounding causes no scars,so to speak..

Highly automated,highly impulsive,actually not the thinker-type,but childrens intelligence of fast transfer.IQ isnt impressive either,for US,i saw figures like 120,no genius in sight,iirc one in sixth has that,up to 110 is normal IQ.

They were too early put in the role of primus,and got lazy from it,no mental discipline,but now its too late for change and development,keep resting on their laurels, as a figure of speech..Curriculum seems just memorization-heavy,and not mechanically demanding..they zombified him,he is a vegetable,but not unconscious,just martydom..

 

[GAF]

Are physicians commonly the last child in a family? Love the insights.
Plus, their deepest desire is to make more money than their older siblings and be more respected...kinda like revenge for being last.

Just a theory. No proof or research to back it up.

 

[Peatness]

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