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Alternative To Spaying For b****?

Discussion in 'Animals' started by Goat-e, Apr 2, 2020.

  1. Goat-e

    Goat-e Member

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    We've got a 7 year old female and a one year old male dog. The female is in season and the male dog is being driven mad by the hormones/pheromones.

    The reason we didn't spay the female is that the health implications of removing the ovaries seem bad (our neighbor had their female spayed and now the poor thing is completely incontinent). Also, all of the local dogs who are the same age as our female has been spayed/neutered and they all seem so much older than ours (fatter too), people constantly ask if she's a young puppy and are astonished when they're told she's 7.

    When we got the male pup we thought keeping them separate during the female's season would be enough, but even so the scent is making his life hell. I don't really want to spay the female for the reasons above, and also it seems like unnecessary surgery, but at the same time don't want to torture the male dog any more...

    Edit: the software doesn't like b****.... have changed to female dog throughout. @charlie @Blossom would you be able to amend the thread title...?
     
  2. Serene

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    As a former vet tech, I wholeheartedly support your decision not to spay/neuter. It's horrible for them. Spaying increases chances of osteosarcoma, as well as all endocrine disorders, incontinence and bone/joint problems. Estrogen is involved in bone growth. This is why all dogs now have hip dysplasia, luxating patellas and tear their ACLs. It keeps the vets in business (along with the vaccines, flea/tick crap and poison food they recommend).

    I have a breeder friend, I could ask her if she has any suggestions. She's never had an "accidental" litter. I think you'll just have to keep them separate and wait it out. It's only twice a year :)

    Have you seen this:
    http://www.naiaonline.org/pdfs/LongTermHealthEffectsOfSpayNeuterInDogs.pdf
     
  3. Serene

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    Hello again. She said to keep them on opposite sides of the house in separate rooms or a crate. You can also try to put menthol cream or eucalyptus essential oils (Vicks) on the females tail if it is really furry to cover the smell - watch for irritation. She said there were a couple times when she had to board the male in a kennel. you can try putting the diapers on the female if you haven't already to at least have a barrier - just in case.

    Good luck!
     
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    Goat-e

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    Thanks @Serene I hadn't seen that article but it confirms most of my suspicions that we did the right thing. We are keeping them in separate crates and only have one or the other out. I think her season is waning now but we'll be better prepared next time.

    Whilst you're here... what do you think of the flea/tick treatments? We are in an area with ticks and I've had to remove some over the years but I've always wondered if there was an alternative, or if they're really necessary? We used to have Advocate spot-on but we noticed that after a couple of years it made our female dog depressed the day after application (she's a very high drive hunting dog and is never depressed so it was quite obviously having a big impact on her system). We also tried an herbal anti-flea supplement which is quite popular in the UK (billy-no-mates) but messed with her gut so we stopped that.
     
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    I hate that word for a female dog.
     
  6. Serene

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    I'm not really sure of the kinds of ticks and incidence of tick borne diseases you have in the UK. So it might not be as cut and dry.

    There are natural (essential oil) sprays you can try. Here we have something called wondercide which works well. All the health food stores have some sort of chemical free stuff. I have heard mixed reviews of these. If they bothered her, you might want to try a different version. I have also known people who spray the formula on a bandana or vest instead of directly on the dog. The company Dog Not Gone sells a vest that is "coated" somehow with tick preventative and I know someone who swears by it.

    I would think that if you have to use the chemical stuff only a few months out of the year it wouldn't be too bad but you'll have to weigh the risks. But if it bothers her it's probably best not to. They are neurotoxic (their mode of action is to paralyze the bugs).

    I had a cat that lost all its hair at the application site. I was dumb enough to put it on him twice before I stopped to think about the damage it was doing to his insides. This was long before I actually understood anything about health, too.
     
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    Goat-e

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    I'll check these out. At the moment we only use the tick stuff during the tick season (vets typically recommend all year...) but I'd still like to cut that down if possible.
     
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