Alternative Forms Of Thiamine - Experiences?

[ddjd]

I've recently discovered how vital sufficient levels of B1 Thiamine is for proper sugar metabolism, so I've been exploring more effective forms of Thiamine, would be interesting to hear if anyone's had any experiences with the following:

Sublutiamine

Benfothiamine

Lipothiamine

Allithiamine

 

[Broken man]

Mitolipin

 

[ecstatichamster]

Haven’t noticed a difference.

 

[qwyk]

I've recently discovered how vital sufficient levels of B1 Thiamine is for proper sugar metabolism, so I've been exploring more effective forms of Thiamine, would be interesting to hear if anyone's had any experiences with the following:

Sublutiamine

Benfothiamine

Lipothiamine

Allithiamine

I have ordered some Allithiamine and expect it to be delivered this weekend. I am also interested in hearing about experiences with it.

 

[methylenewhite]

I had great improvements in my conditions using benfo-b1 and sulbu-b1. 600mg of benfothiamine per day brought back my morning wood, enchanted my dream recall and shortened my sleep cycle from 12+ to 7 hours greatly improving sleep quality. Sulbuthiamine made the same in dosage about 1g per day. I believe Ive bought it on purebulk. Tastes terrible, the worst thing I've ever eaten. I have actually forgotten the great result I had those days. OP thanks for reminding me. It would be so great if I can afford to supplement sulbuthiamine it again.

 

[ddjd]

Mitolipin

I don't understand what you mean

 

[ddjd]

@methylenwhite thanks for the info. I've ordered some sublutiamine. Shame it's so pricey as from what I've read I think it might be the most effective of the lot. I'll post my results.

@qwyk will be great to hear of your experience with Allithiamine. Out of interest, where did you order from?

There's actually another form i didn't add to the list called:

"Thiamine pyrophosphate (TPP)"

It's the biologically active form of the vitamin. I think Swanson sell it.

 

[qwyk]

@qwyk will be great to hear of your experience with Allithiamine. Out of interest, where did you order from?

I ordered from Amazon. The supplier is "HealthyTrader", and the brand is "Ecological Formulas". I'll comment again with some results after I've tried it for a week or two.

 

[Mossy]

I don't understand what you mean

I'm curious as well. Is there a B1 element in Mitolipin?

 

[ddjd]

@Mossy @Broken man posted this response in a seperate thread:

"@Joeyd the reason why I wrote mitolipin to your thread about vitamin B1 Is that taking vitamins to boost thyroid function seems to me like a very complicated way. Because to get long term results with minimal complications is harder than you could think. I did alot of trials with vitamins And the results are always the same, short term success with burnout later. Burnout because you will use all cofactors that you need to have results until you will get another deficiency. Mitolipin gave me steady broad range benefits and one of them was increased carbon dioxide."

I understand your point that perhaps supplements arent the long term solution but youre then saying you had success by using Mitolipin (a supplement). Seems slightly contradictory. Maybe I've misunderstood your meaning.

Ive experimented with Mitolipin a lot, in both Vitamin E and as a powder and I just dont tolerate high or regular doses of choline well, so its not helpful for me.

 

[Broken man]

@Mossy @Broken man posted this response in a seperate thread:

"@Joeyd the reason why I wrote mitolipin to your thread about vitamin B1 Is that taking vitamins to boost thyroid function seems to me like a very complicated way. Because to get long term results with minimal complications is harder than you could think. I did alot of trials with vitamins And the results are always the same, short term success with burnout later. Burnout because you will use all cofactors that you need to have results until you will get another deficiency. Mitolipin gave me steady broad range benefits and one of them was increased carbon dioxide."

I understand your point that perhaps supplements arent the long term solution but youre then saying you had success by using Mitolipin (a supplement). Seems slightly contradictory. Maybe I've misunderstood your meaning.

Ive experimented with Mitolipin a lot, in both Vitamin E and as a powder and I just dont tolerate high or regular doses of choline well, so its not helpful for me.

No I wrote that vitamins like vitamin B1 will not do much long term because you need to supplement all vitamins that are as cofactor forvitamin B1 to be working. Mitolipin is not vitamin and there is really small amount of phosphatidylcholine but I understand but will try to find a solution because I think that mitolipin is the best and most versatile supplement here.

 

[Mossy]

@Mossy @Broken man posted this response in a seperate thread:

"@Joeyd the reason why I wrote mitolipin to your thread about vitamin B1 Is that taking vitamins to boost thyroid function seems to me like a very complicated way. Because to get long term results with minimal complications is harder than you could think. I did alot of trials with vitamins And the results are always the same, short term success with burnout later. Burnout because you will use all cofactors that you need to have results until you will get another deficiency. Mitolipin gave me steady broad range benefits and one of them was increased carbon dioxide."

I understand your point that perhaps supplements arent the long term solution but youre then saying you had success by using Mitolipin (a supplement). Seems slightly contradictory. Maybe I've misunderstood your meaning.

Ive experimented with Mitolipin a lot, in both Vitamin E and as a powder and I just dont tolerate high or regular doses of choline well, so its not helpful for me.

@Joeyd Thanks for the heads-up!

 

[ddjd]

Here's a pretty good article which goes into some depth on just Allithiamine (TTFD)

About TTFD: A Thiamine Derivative- Hormones Matter

 

[methylenewhite]

So whats your experience with sulbuthiamine?

 

[Antonello]

@Mossy @Broken man posted this response in a seperate thread:

"@Joeyd the reason why I wrote mitolipin to your thread about vitamin B1 Is that taking vitamins to boost thyroid function seems to me like a very complicated way. Because to get long term results with minimal complications is harder than you could think. I did alot of trials with vitamins And the results are always the same, short term success with burnout later. Burnout because you will use all cofactors that you need to have results until you will get another deficiency. Mitolipin gave me steady broad range benefits and one of them was increased carbon dioxide."

I understand your point that perhaps supplements arent the long term solution but youre then saying you had success by using Mitolipin (a supplement). Seems slightly contradictory. Maybe I've misunderstood your meaning.

Ive experimented with Mitolipin a lot, in both Vitamin E and as a powder and I just dont tolerate high or regular doses of choline well, so its not helpful for me.

I found the choline content of Mitolipin too stimulating for the same reason I limit eggs fish and liver in my diet.
Thiamine pyrophosphate is not superior to the plain HCl because it depleted potassium at a faster rate.
Allithiamine feels toxic and the last thing a burden liver wants is extra stuff that cannot get rid off

 

[ddjd]

I found the choline content of Mitolipin too stimulating for the same reason I limit eggs fish and liver in my diet.
Thiamine pyrophosphate is not superior to the plain HCl because it depleted potassium at a faster rate.
Allithiamine feels toxic and the last thing a burden liver wants is extra stuff that cannot get rid off

Is there a study about TPP depleting potassium?

I've been taking Allithiamine for about a month and I've not noticed any toxicity

 

[Antonello]

Is there a study about TPP depleting potassium?

I've been taking Allithiamine for about a month and I've not noticed any toxicity

Just personal experience

 

[Texon]

I've recently discovered how vital sufficient levels of B1 Thiamine is for proper sugar metabolism, so I've been exploring more effective forms of Thiamine, would be interesting to hear if anyone's had any experiences with the following:

Sublutiamine

Benfothiamine

Lipothiamine

Allithiamine

@Broken man Guys, maybe this will shed some light...I have personally found this to be more important than I could have imagined, as I apparently do not process thiamine well after a couple of recent surgeries related to an elbow injury. Prior to that, I also recall a time about 5 years ago when I was losing weight for no reason. When I had gotten a Nutreval blood test that looks at literally everything, and I was in the red zone low for B1. I think this is a really big deal, especially for those that embrace a lot of the dietary concepts espoused on this forum. Google "Dr. Lonsdale thiamine" and you will find more than enough support for this. I am personally taking Allithiamine by Ecological Formulas and am trying to work up to 200 mgs per day in 2-3 divided doses.

Vitamins In Absentia: When The "Death Angel" Comes To Visit

 

[ddjd]

@Broken man Guys, maybe this will shed some light...I have personally found this to be more important than I could have imagined, as I apparently do not process thiamine well after a couple of recent surgeries related to an elbow injury. Prior to that, I also recall a time about 5 years ago when I was losing weight for no reason. When I had gotten a Nutreval blood test that looks at literally everything, and I was in the red zone low for B1. I think this is a really big deal, especially for those that embrace a lot of the dietary concepts espoused on this forum. Google "Dr. Lonsdale thiamine" and you will find more than enough support for this. I am personally taking Allithiamine by Ecological Formulas and am trying to work up to 200 mgs per day in 2-3 divided doses.

Vitamins In Absentia: When The "Death Angel" Comes To Visit

I have to agree with others on the forum. after a while the ecological formulas allithiamine has weird effects on the digestive system. it could be the excipients. but I don't quite trust it. tread carefully

 

[Texon]

I have to agree with others on the forum. after a while the ecological formulas allithiamine has weird effects on the digestive system. it could be the excipients. but I don't quite trust it. tread carefully

Interesting. Maybe injectable is best or massive doses of oral hcl form. One guy was able to keep Parkinson's at bay taking 2 grams x 2 times/day. Seems Dr. Lonsdale is on the same track with Peat/Selye since it's all about usable energy with him.