Aging In Human Mitochondria Fully Reversed By Glycine

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In the latest confirmation of Ray's views, this study demonstrates that mitochondrial aging (and maybe the entire cell) is NOT controlled by genetic factors and mutations but by epigenetics. I personally think the days of the fraudulent "Hayflick limit" are numbered.
Since it is epigenetically driven, the aging process may be reversible and indeed it looks like the scientists managed to fully reverse mitochondrial aging simply by exposing the cell and its mitochondria to supplemental glycine. The study also suggests that reduced glycine synthesis is one of the causes of mitochondrial aging.

http://www.nature.com/srep/2015/150522/ ... 10434.html
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/20 ... 085138.htm

"...Epigenetic regulation refers to changes, such as the addition of chemical structures or proteins, which alter the physical structure of the DNA, resulting in genes turning on or off. Unlike mutations, these changes do not affect the DNA sequence itself. If this theory is correct, then genetically reprogramming the cells to an embryonic stem cell-like state would remove any epigenetic changes associated with the mitochondrial DNA. In order to test this theory, the researchers reprogrammed human fibroblast cell lines derived from young and elderly people to an embryonic stem cell-like state. These cells were then turned back into fibroblasts and their mitochondrial respiratory function examined. Incredibly, the age-associated defects had been reversed -- all of the fibroblasts had respiration rates comparable to those of the fetal fibroblast cell line, irrespective of whether they were derived from young or elderly people. This indicates that the aging process in the mitochondrion is controlled by epigenetic regulation, not by mutations."

"...The researchers then looked for genes that might be controlled epigenetically resulting in these age-associated mitochondrial defects. Two genes that regulate glycine production in mitochondria, CGAT and SHMT2, were found. The researchers showed that by changing the regulation of these genes, they could induce defects or restore mitochondrial function in the fibroblast cell lines. In a compelling finding, the addition of glycine for 10 days to the culture medium of the 97 year old fibroblast cell line restored its respiratory function. This suggests that glycine treatment can reverse the age-associated respiration defects in the elderly human fibroblasts. These findings reveal that, contrary to the mitochondrial theory of aging, epigenetic regulation controls age-associated respiration defects in human fibroblast cell lines. Can epigenetic regulation also control aging in humans? That theory remains to be tested, and if proven, could result in glycine supplements giving our older population a new lease of life.

The glycine concentration used was 140 microMols the cells were exposed for 10 days. After 10 days of exposure the mitochondrial oxygen consumption was restored back to youthful levels. This concentration is already available in the plasma of healthy people and ingesting just 4.6g of glycine increased it to ~900 uM/L. Also, taking glycine with sugar maintained the higher concentration for longer.
The metabolic response to ingested glycine
"...The mean amount of glycine given was 4.6 g (range: 3.6–5.4 g). The mean fasting glycine concentration for all studies was 220 ± 22 μmol/L (range: 205–236 μmol/L; Figure 1, top⇓). After the ingestion of water or glucose only, the plasma glycine concentration remained constant. After the ingestion of glycine, the plasma glycine concentration increased from a baseline of 217 ± 21 μmol/L to a peak of 909 ± 106 μmol/L at 40 min, after which it decreased toward the fasting baseline. At the end of the study, however, the plasma glycine concentration was still elevated (414 μmol/L). When glucose was ingested with glycine, the response was attenuated and modestly prolonged compared with that after glycine ingestion alone. The area response to glycine + glucose was slightly but not significantly less than that after the ingestion of glycine alone."

However, achieving concentrations of 140microMol in the brain seems to require much higher doses of glycine. In addition, the glycine concentrations in CSF were on average 100 times lower than plasma. This study in rats used a human equivalent dose of about 285mg/kg and achieved CSF (fluid around brain) concentrations of about 50 microMols, and the levels returned to baseline after 24 hours. So, to achieve CSF concentrations of 140 microMols one would need to ingest about 60g of glycine. Interestingly, this is within the range of doses used in the humans trials for schizophrenia (0.8g/kg, up to 60g a day). Yet another clue that schizophrenia may be a mitochondrial respiration dysfunction.
Efficacy of high-dose glycine in the treatment of enduring negative symptoms of schizophrenia. - PubMed - NCBI

The glycine concentrations in brain tissue did increase with supplementation but achieving the required concentrations of 140 microMols would require ~200g glycine, which I don't think is feasible and at least one study shows is toxic.
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1 ... 2181.x/pdf
Pharmacokinetics and cerebral distribution of glycine administered to rats. - PubMed - NCBI
"...The glycine levels in CSF were 100 times lower than those in plasma. Glycine levels were elevated in brain tissue, but with a slower time-course than in CSF. Serine, a major metabolite of glycine, was elevated in plasma, CSF, and brain tissue. Glycine uptake in brain tissue increased in a dose-dependent manner."
"...Concentration–time curves were generated for glycine in plasma and CSF following oral administration (2 g/kg of glycine). At 0.5 h (Tmax), glycine in plasma reached its maximum concentration of 5,371 ± 507 lmol/L (Cmax), which is 13-fold higher than the level in vehicle controls (410 ± 21 lmol/L; Fig. 2a). In CSF, Tmax was again 0.5 h, and Cmax was 52.7 ± 4.4 lmol/L, which is sixfold higher than the level in the vehicle controls (8.8 ± 0.7 lmol/L; Fig. 2b). Glycine levels returned to baseline 24 h after its administration. The glycine levels in the cerebral cortex were also examined (Fig. 2c). In this region, glycine concentrations reached Tmax at 4 h, and Cmax was 1,376 ±30 pmol/mg wet tissue, which is twofold higher than that observed in the vehicle controls (676 ± 40 pmol/mg wet tissue)."

So, there you have it. Mitochondrial senescence seems to be entirely driven by environmental factors, and is reversible by environmental factors such as glycine. However, the doses may depend on the targeted tissue. In healthy people glycine plasma glycine is already high enough, but in older or sick people doses of <5g repeated every few hours glycine should elevate concentrations to what is needed for improved mitochondrial respiration. For brain benefits, much higher doses may be needed as shown by the pharmacokinetics studies and the szhizophrenia trials. Btw, I posted a separate thread on glycine for schizophrenia if anybody is interested in reading it.
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"A French-Spanish research group, in their review article (2009), wrote that humans can usually synthesize 3 grams of glycine, and they usually get 1.5-3.0 additional grams from the diet, so the total yield is 4.5-6 grams. On the other hand, they stated that this amount doesn't satisfy the daily need of 10-13 grams for collagen synthesis in various tissues (bone, muscle, skin), and therefore glycine should be considered a semi-essential amino acid."

It's great that glycine is a cheap so doses like 30-50g a day(for sick or hard working people) are not a problem even in long term.. My minimum daily dose is 15g, from what I know now about glycine. :)
 

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YuraCZ said:
"A French-Spanish research group, in their review article (2009), wrote that humans can usually synthesize 3 grams of glycine, and they usually get 1.5-3.0 additional grams from the diet, so the total yield is 4.5-6 grams. On the other hand, they stated that this amount doesn't satisfy the daily need of 10-13 grams for collagen synthesis in various tissues (bone, muscle, skin), and therefore glycine should be considered a semi-essential amino acid."

That's useful to know. 10+ grams of glycine is not trivial to get unless you supplement or do regularly cook gelatin rich meat cuts. I wonder what other amino acid, if any, are in the same situation? The scarcity reminds me a little about copper, which is also involved in collagen.
 

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jyb said:
YuraCZ said:
"A French-Spanish research group, in their review article (2009), wrote that humans can usually synthesize 3 grams of glycine, and they usually get 1.5-3.0 additional grams from the diet, so the total yield is 4.5-6 grams. On the other hand, they stated that this amount doesn't satisfy the daily need of 10-13 grams for collagen synthesis in various tissues (bone, muscle, skin), and therefore glycine should be considered a semi-essential amino acid."

That's useful to know. 10+ grams of glycine is not trivial to get unless you supplement or do regularly cook gelatin rich meat cuts. I wonder what other amino acid, if any, are in the same situation? The scarcity reminds me a little about copper, which is also involved in collagen.
I would say L glutamine( not glutamic acid) is good to add as a supplement. So glycine, L glutamine and if you eat eggs, beef, liver, milk at least 100g of protein from these foods + maybe 10-20g of glycine and 5-10g of L glutamine a day you are fine even if you are very active person..
 

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You guys are quick i just read this on science daily and was going to post it. There was an interesting series of posts on 180 degree health by a Joel Brind whose selling a gylcine suplement Sweetamine.
 

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Peatit said:
I'm still wondering if supplementing an isolated amino acid is safe ( let's say contaminant free), even if it is glycine.
agree , but why isolated? gelatine is best natural source!
 

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Peatit said:
I'm still wondering if supplementing an isolated amino acid is safe ( let's say contaminant free), even if it is glycine.
agree , but why isolated? gelatine is best natural source!

Because for me it is not practical (and pretty expensive) to eat about 90 g of gelatin per day to get 20 g of glycine (gelatin is 22% glycine in average)
 

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maybe you dont need that much high dose if in long term increase glycine in your diet.
 

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YuraCZ said:
I would say L glutamine( not glutamic acid) is good to add as a supplement. So glycine, L glutamine and if you eat eggs, beef, liver, milk at least 100g of protein from these foods + maybe 10-20g of glycine and 5-10g of L glutamine a day you are fine even if you are very active person..

Given the questions about L glutamine raised on this forum previously, I won't touch it until I know more...
 

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New to Pete and was searching about the supplements u write about in your post. R u still taking them ? What's your glycine dose at? What about l-glut? Thanks Laura


I would say L glutamine( not glutamic acid) is good to add as a supplement. So glycine, L glutamine and if you eat eggs, beef, liver, milk at least 100g of protein from these foods + maybe 10-20g of glycine and 5-10g of L glutamine a day you are fine even if you are very active person..
 
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I find collagen very valuable. Ray Peat doesn't recommend standalone aminos. I think collagen or gelatin is a great way to get a good amount of glycine.
 

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The study also suggests that reduced glycine synthesis is one of the causes of mitochondrial aging.

Plastic surgeons have promoted the idea of injecting collagen into tissues with the argument that they are "replacing collagen lost with aging," but in fact collagen accumulates with aging. It is the greater compactness and stiffness of collagen in old skin that produces noticeable changes such as wrinkling.
-Ray Peat, The Cancer Matrix, courtesy www.l-i-g-h-t.com

What is the difference between gelatin and collagen? I had the impression they were the same. Which is the better source for glycine? Since collagen synthesis increases with age, how can glycine synthesis decrease with age? Thanks!
 
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Collagen matrix increases. Fibrotic tissue builds up. Taking collagen in diet does not cause this. Just as taking calcium in diet can reverse calcium buildup in tissues it is possible taking dietary collagen can slow down or prevent fibrotic tissue.
 

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Thanks @ecstatichamster - very interesting! So gelatin/collagen could be antifibrotic!

Could it be possible that the the "gel-like" structure of the healthy cell is maintained by the body's actually having enough gelatin?
 
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Thanks @ecstatichamster - very interesting! So gelatin/collagen could be antifibrotic!

Could it be possible that the the "gel-like" structure of the healthy cell is maintained by the body's actually having enough gelatin?

Yes, but only when not enough ATP is available. In the healthy organism ATP is what keeps the cell in its liquid-crystalline, gel-like state. But when ATP is lacking, gelatin/glycine can provide some of that functionality.
 

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Is it possible that reversing mitochondrial senescence could also result eventually in a reversal of cross-linking, collagen matrix buildup, protein aggregation, and other things associated with aging? I guess what I am really asking is: what is the difference between young mitochondria and overall youth, or is it possible that the former leads to the latter?
 
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Is it possible that reversing mitochondrial senescence could also result eventually in a reversal of cross-linking, collagen matrix buildup, protein aggregation, and other things associated with aging? I guess what I am really asking is: what is the difference between young mitochondria and overall youth, or is it possible that the former leads to the latter?

There is no difference, biochemically speaking. If mitochondria can be brought back to youthful functioning then all signs of aging should be start to reverse.
 
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