Acne, Low Temperature

[linkslater]

Hello guys,
Gradually going into peating, stopped all PUFA about 2.5 months ago, started high sugar diet about 1 month ago and did quit starch 2 weeks ago.
Was on low carb and high PUFA for about 2.5 years.

Current symptoms: insane acne, low temp(~36.2-.3), low blood pressure.

Currently: Supplementing vit A(10k), pure niacinamide(~2.5 grams), magnesium, occasionaly vit B complex, zinc, oil of oregano (for SIBO)
from B1 and B6 saw further acne aggravation

Diet mainly: white fish, cheese, honey, salad of green leafy veg.,

Received my thyroid blood test 2 weeks ago(europe):
value / [range]
TSH: 1.59 / [0.55-4.78]
FT4: 0.98 / [0.89-1.76]
FT3: 2.83 / [2.30-4.20]

What your further recommendations would be like, and what you think this thyroid blood test means?

 

[Mittir]

Did your measure your temperature 1-2 hours after breakfast?
You also need to track your pulse. It is important that body temperature
increases through out the day. Here is a link on temperature and all other
important information. http://peatarian.com/peatexchanges#diet_(general)
Your TSH is bit high and free T3 is at the lower end of normal.
TSH should be below 0.4. RP recommends total T3,
total T4, TSH and reverse T3 test. Knowing total cholesterol is very helpful.

Sodium and adequate protein can help with low blood pressure.
At least 80 grams of quality protein and salt to taste.
1200-2000 mg of calcium daily with calcium amount higher than
phosphorus ,increases metabolism and helps with many health issues.
He strongly recommends increasing total alkaline mineral
intake : calcium, sodium, magnesium and potassium.

He thinks acne is related to low thyroid function and vitamin A.
Weekly 3-6 oz of liver provides all the necessary vitamin A and other
essential nutrients. Gut irritation is the cause of almost all health issues,
including acne. RP is not a fan of commercial supplements , he thinks most
supplements have allergenic contaminants. Check toxinless.com for info
on additive free supplements.

Have you always had acne? Did you notice increase and decrease in acne
when you added new supplements and food? What are your carbohydrate source?
I would stop all the supplements for few days to see it make things better or worse,
and then slowly add one by one. Here is link to general dietary guideline.
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=20
If you are a young person it usually takes less time to recover.
Tracking nutrient intake using cronometer.com is very helpful.

 

[linkslater]

Thank you Mittir for your helpful response.

Do you think this blood test would justify NDT usage?

Acne is somewhat persistent for the last 3 years. And just about everything seems to aggravate it. Working from SIBO angle on it now.
Calcium, sodium and magnesium intake is sufficient with exception of potassium because potassium foods or supplement gives me what it seems like an aldosterone rush (and more acne).
My main carb source is honey now.

 

[Mittir]

You did not mention when you measured your temperature.
I think adjusting thyroid dose is a problem for many.
One needs to have good diet to support increased metabolism
from thyroid hormone. People feel worse when they do not
match their increased metabolism with extra nutrients.
Things can get worse if body fails to convert T4 to T3.
Age and gender are big factors in thyroid function.
Females have higher rate of hypothyroid problem due to
excess estrogen and sluggish liver. RP has mentioned that
he has seen people fixing their thyroid just by increasing
protein or by adding carrot salad. In old days people used to
get half a grain of thyroid daily from chicken and fish stews.
Fish head and chicken necks are rich source of thyroid hormone.
In that sense using half or one grain of NDT daily is almost like
food replacement. One can make chicken neck or fish head soup
for that extra thyroid.

 

[linkslater]

Temperature persistently low all the time: before breakfast, after breakfast, afternoon or evening.
Niacinamide actually assist in lowering it even more for some reason, apart of that — no other side or pro effects from it.

It's really strange that it seems all acne 'cures' turn out to be thyroid suppressive: mega doses of vit A, l-carnitine, MSM etc
And I highly suspect that NDT just aggravate it even further. I'll give a try to thiroyd anyway when it will arrive in 2 weeks from now.

I've tried carrot salad with no success. Protein intake is sufficient as well.
I wonder if medium-big doses of B5 (~1g) have any anti-thyroid action as people often experience dry skin from it.

EDIT:
some random still intereresting beat on B5:

Deficiencies in vitamin B5 create a deficiency in CoA. CoA does many things but it is important for the production of cholesterol and the production of pregnenolone from cholesterol. Pregnenolone is an intermediate to the production of testosterone. Actually, pregnenolone can be converted into cortisol and DHEA. With a poor diet and lack of exercise, pregnenolone tends to be converted into cortisol and less DHEA. DHEA is required to make testosterone as well so testosterone levels begin to drop. Cortisol is a stress hormone that if left in high quantities wreaks havoc on both body and brain causing mood swings, loss of cognitive function, and muscle loss as well as weight gain due to fat storage. By bringing in more vitamin B5, CoA levels rise which leads to the production of more pregnenolone which leads to a greater production of testosterone.

On the other side B5 megadose also triggers male pattern baldness with a really high probability.

 

[Mittir]

Niacinamide in large dose can be problematic. Niancinamide inibits
free fatty acid release and this causes body to rely on carbohydrate
as energy source. RP thinks 100 mg of Niacinamide few times a day
is enough to see benefits. I thinks it is worth experimenting with small
dose of niacinamide. Niacinamide and other anti-stress substances
can lower temperature by decreasing stress hormone. You do not
want increased temperature from stress hormones.
RP himself advocates getting nutrients from food and i only
use vitamin E, Niacinamide and vitamin D regularly and i have got
good results so far. I think large dose supplements are always risky
due to contaminants and possible interaction inside the body.
Many people felt worse when they took large dose of Niancinamide
without increasing sugar intake.

 

[aguilaroja]

Current symptoms: insane acne, low temp(~36.2-.3), low blood pressure.

Currently: Supplementing vit A(10k), pure niacinamide(~2.5 grams), magnesium, occasionaly vit B complex, zinc, oil of oregano (for SIBO)
from B1 and B6 saw further acne aggravation...

Diet mainly: white fish, cheese, honey, salad of green leafy veg...

Grateful tip of the hat to Mittir. I learn a lot from Mittir's posts.

A few points of clarification in regard linkslater's first post:

If the temp and blood pressure are consistently low, it's likely there are other low thyroid symptoms in addition to the skin issues. It is always important to put signs and symptoms together with lab tests to determine relief methods. Often, only after things are boosted do people realize how low they were. It is helpful to inventory and track those symptoms as one way to track progress.

Here's a couple of links from google search, but find any easy list you like:

http://nahypothyroidism.org/wp-content/ ... cklist.pdf

http://hypothyroidmom.com/300-hypothyro ... es-really/

As Mittir pointed out, generous, as compared with adequate, alkali salts intake, is encouraged. For instance, salt to taste includes cooking food with salt and using the condiment so things are tasty, not merely acceptable. Good thyroid function supports retaining (and absorbing) salt. The "self-treating" craving for salt that some low thyroid people have subsides as better thyroid function returns. With low blood pressure issues, mineral metabolism is always one area to be mindful of.

Many greens, especially the cabbage (cruciferous) family tend to reduce thyroid function, especially in their raw/undercooked form. So a little care is needed in taking salads.

If medical tests are covered by your health care or very inexpensive, it is sometimes helpful to know levels of the other hormones, such as estrogen, progesterone, testosterone, DHEA, prolactin, etc. for possible clues in acne situations. Again, labs are one clue instead of the single determinant.

 

[linkslater]

Thank you guys for thoughtful posts.

I decreased white fish consumption and stopped eating tuna altogether. Skin condition improved dramatically.
Along the way I've added a small dose B5 of 200mg and decreased niacinamide to 500mg per day.
But it's being around 5 days so of course it's too soon to tell for sure.

Thinking of 2 possible reasons:
— (over) consumption of fish (for period about 2.5 years) has led me to selenium toxicity/sensitivity, I also happen to have strong skin reaction to other vitamins that are strong selenium agonists: vitamin C and vitamin E. Other side of the story is selenium-thyroid connection.
— dioxin sensitivity

If you have any ideas, please chime in.

 

[seano]

Did you continue to see improvement and/or make other changes?

 

[GauchoMax]

Acne started disappearing when I begun drinking gallons of water every day along a low-fat high-fruits/veggies diet. The same diet without a high amount of water resulted in an increase of acne.

I suppose the need in water is increased as to remove safely PUFA through urine ?
Could be coincidental too (i.e. I reached a point where my thyroid is starting acting more effectively)

 

[seano]

post 113043 Acne started disappearing when I begun drinking gallons of water ...

Interesting. I do better with less water. Discovered that on my own years ago. Before I was the typical fitness advocate of downing endless water. Now I drink very little. No difference to acne. But acne has so many possible sources, so likely yours is different than mine.

 

[churchmouth]

Acne started disappearing when I begun drinking gallons of water every day along a low-fat high-fruits/veggies diet. The same diet without a high amount of water resulted in an increase of acne.

I suppose the need in water is increased as to remove safely PUFA through urine ?
Could be coincidental too (i.e. I reached a point where my thyroid is starting acting more effectively)

Thank you guys for thoughtful posts.

I decreased white fish consumption and stopped eating tuna altogether. Skin condition improved dramatically.


If you have any ideas, please chime in.

Any updates / insights over the years?