Abortion Rights May 2022 and why this should matter to you

[Waynish]

Wow how retarded do you have to be to think if you don't promote baby murder, then someone can force you to take a vaccine. I'm on Gates' side now. We need more vaccines to accelerate this process; sick of so many morons. All of you complaining about Gates' owning land will be dependent upon him soon because you refuse to be responsible for your own sources of food. The plebs need Gates.

By the way, if you kill a pregnant mother, then do you get charged with one homicide or two?

 

[Peatful]

Wow how retarded do you have to be to think if you don't promote baby murder, then someone can force you to take a vaccine. I'm on Gates' side now. We need more vaccines to accelerate this process; sick of so many morons. All of you complaining about Gates' owning land will be dependent upon him soon because you refuse to be responsible for your own sources of food. The plebs need Gates.

By the way, if you kill a pregnant mother, then do you get charged with one homicide or two?

If im reading you right- I think you are confused on the original assumption?

Assumption being:
Stop abortion rights -> no “my body my choice” jingle -> opens legal channel to say we don’t have the rights to our bodies once the vxx is compulsory

 

[David PS]

Ok. Thank you.

I consider action by Congress on this matter to be highly unlikely, but it is a theoretical possibility.

 

[tankasnowgod]

I don't know. I think I am inclined to agree with the original poster. I think this may be an attempt to set some kind of legal precedent about whether an individual has a sovereign right to choose their own treatment options.

Which individual? You do understand the argument in abortion involves two individuals, not one (even if you don't agree with it).

Particularly when there is another "person" that may be affected. It may be harder legally to say that a person is not allowed to make their own health decisions if another person is involved, when a woman is allowed to terminate a pregnancy. I can see them saying that you are not allowed to opt out of vaccination because it affects other people. I could be totally wrong but I do wonder if they are anticipating future court cases trying to fight universal vaccination.

There is no indication that any government is even thinking of requiring "universal vaccination." Nor, would there be any way to implement it. The reality is there are less than 2 Million police and Military members, and more privately held guns (well over 350 Million) than people. The second amendment was specifically meant to prevent the actions of a tyrannical government. They NEED you to agree or contract, it simply doesn't work any other way.

Also, I am inclined to think you are wrong that the government cannot make you do anything.

They can't.

There have been several cases where parents were forced to give their child Chemo even though they were philosophically and or morally opposed.

Which cases? What principles was the case decided on? Had the parents contracted with the state in some way to make their children "wards of the state?"

You can apply the same analysis we do on scientific studies to court cases, the process is remarkably similar. I'll point out again, you can easily pull up many/most cases on Google Scholar. Find a case or two, link it, and then read what the judge based his decision on in any particular case.

I do, however, agree that if they can the powers that be always prefer to coerce or manipulate people into volunteering themselves. For example, my husbands work cannot force universal vaccination on staff that already work for them but all new hires must be vaccinated.

You've pivoted here. A workplace requiring "vaccination" is a matter of contract, not "force." There were plenty of examples of jobs requiring various vaccines prior to 2019, so the principle itself is not new.

So if you want to work for them you have to go on your own time to get vaccinated and then you technically choose to be vaccinated.

Again, that is a contract issue.

 

[David PS]

 

[Drareg]

Interesting thread.
The abortions are decided by individual state's going forward, I don't see what the big deal is, I don't think the 4chan post has merit when abortion will still be legal in most states afterward.

Something is going on with this though, it could be cover for the Pfizer documents, someone may go to jail for this release, then again they may not find them. Soros and his woke goon army are likely revolving around this, he seems to specialise in trying to undermine constitutions and this could be a way to attack an institution that hasn't been touched in America for a long time, its somewhat sacred, his ANTIFA goons are stupid enough to do it as in burn the building down, the ruling class hate the supreme court because its constitutionally based.
If this happens it wont benefit biden or democrats, they are stupid enough to believe it will, if MSM and progressives support it like they did looting and private property damage during BLM then they will be finished, they are already in the gutter.

Another angle might be texas looking to drive the woke progressives out to another state, Texas may be getting ready for separatism in the near future.

 

[:M :B.]

Wow how retarded do you have to be to think if you don't promote baby murder, then someone can force you to take a vaccine. I'm on Gates' side now. We need more vaccines to accelerate this process; sick of so many morons. All of you complaining about Gates' owning land will be dependent upon him soon because you refuse to be responsible for your own sources of food. The plebs need Gates.

By the way, if you kill a pregnant mother, then do you get charged with one homicide or two?

Billy boy has a bounty on his head. If this stuff isn't real we are screwed forever.
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-rXXHK3d4A&t=1877s

 

[PowertothePeatple]

Which individual? You do understand the argument in abortion involves two individuals, not one (even if you don't agree with it).

There is no indication that any government is even thinking of requiring "universal vaccination." Nor, would there be any way to implement it. The reality is there are less than 2 Million police and Military members, and more privately held guns (well over 350 Million) than people. The second amendment was specifically meant to prevent the actions of a tyrannical government. They NEED you to agree or contract, it simply doesn't work any other way.

They can't.

Which cases? What principles was the case decided on? Had the parents contracted with the state in some way to make their children "wards of the state?"

You can apply the same analysis we do on scientific studies to court cases, the process is remarkably similar. I'll point out again, you can easily pull up many/most cases on Google Scholar. Find a case or two, link it, and then read what the judge based his decision on in any particular case.

You've pivoted here. A workplace requiring "vaccination" is a matter of contract, not "force." There were plenty of examples of jobs requiring various vaccines prior to 2019, so the principle itself is not new.

Again, that is a contract issue.

I am trying to have a discussion, an exchange of ideas. I do not have a position to defend therefore I feel free to pivot. It is not a debate in which I will lose points for having a contradictory opinion. I thought the point of this thread was to think through what the motivations might be for the Court reconsidering the Roe v. Wade case. So I am curious if you have an opinion about any of the ideas. And I would be curious to hear what you think the reason is for this leak. I don't need you to counter each of my points.

You are right though I misused the word "force." They will not force anyone but I think they will try to make us all an "offer we can't refuse". I am staunchly against vaccines. I may even be willing to leave my home country to escape mandates but if I am faced with the choice to die or take a vaccine, I will do it. If you can't work, go to school, enter a public building or buy food most of us will eventually give in. I am not saying it will happen immediately but I think they are heading the way of the social credit score. And this vaccine seems to be the first domino. But honestly I think we should be more scared about what they are doing quietly like putting QR codes on everything. My kids now have to scan a QR code to even use the bathroom at school.

 

[PowertothePeatple]

Wow how retarded do you have to be to think if you don't promote baby murder, then someone can force you to take a vaccine. I'm on Gates' side now. We need more vaccines to accelerate this process; sick of so many morons. All of you complaining about Gates' owning land will be dependent upon him soon because you refuse to be responsible for your own sources of food. The plebs need Gates.

By the way, if you kill a pregnant mother, then do you get charged with one homicide or two?

Ad hominem attacks are just lazy. Calling people morons is not an argument with any merit. Neither is wishing death on people because they don't agree with you. And, yes, you can be charged with 2 deaths if you kill a pregnant woman. It depends on the circumstance.

 

[:M :B.]

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2PdRkRJPemI

 

[Hugh Johnson]

I support abortion rights regardless of vaxx implications. Abortion is tough enough without all the bs Americans put women through.

 

[Peatness]

My body my choice no caveats

 

[Old Irenaeus]

My body my choice no caveats

So you're against abortion then?

 

[Peatness]

So you're against abortion then?

My body my choice no caveats

 

[Old Irenaeus]

My body my choice no caveats

Great. I worried for a moment that you thought there were "bodies" having for a time two hearts, two brains, two sets of lungs, etc.

 

[charlie]

The Blessings will Pour Out on America when this is made official.

 

[Peatness]

Great. I worried for a moment that you thought there were "bodies" having for a time two hearts, two brains, two sets of lungs, etc.

I don't understand your post. I fear we are in danger of allowing mandatory vaccination. My body is 'full' I would not survive anything else injected into me.

 

[Old Irenaeus]

I don't understand your post. I fear we are in danger of allowing mandatory vaccination. My body is 'full' I would not survive anything else injected into me.

Well, I don't want that either. I'm against all vaccine mandates.

 

[haidut]

then they will be finished, they are already in the gutter.

I think this is probably the main reason for the "leak" - the Democrats know that they are done and Trump is virtually guaranteed to return on a white horse, or at the very least Republicans will have filibuster-proof majority in Congress in the fall. So, this "leak" now will galvanize the lefties and, as Democrats hope, maybe also the more centrist voters who are still on the fence about who to vote for this fall. The Democrats will campaign on "it was the Trump judges that overturned Roe vs. Wade and if you vote for Trump/Republicans you are voting yourselves into a religious fundamentalism future". It quite nefarious, but not a bad strategy to be honest. I am not sure what else the Democrats can do to salvage themselves considering COVID-19 is finished as propaganda weapon, the war in Ukraine is also waning, and the economy is already in recession.

 

[ecstatichamster]

The leak is probably from Sotomayer in order to cause huge public outcry and influence the final ruling.

Most people support abortion rights to a point. They don’t support killing babies who could live outside the womb. They don’t like abortion but they can understand why it should be legal to that point.

The Roe “right to privacy” was created with a very poor ruling out of thin air. There is a right to privacy for everything, and should not be illegal such as drug use, or prostitution. But that should all be left to the states.

Federal rules should not be applicable to what people can and cannot do — that is up to the state they live in. This is a federation of states, not a centrally ruled country.

I support abortion to a point. Is it month 4, or 6? I don’t know. But I think that most people would not support removing a viable baby and murdering him or her. It’s nonsensical to just “support abortion” without thinking this through.

And the US has no right to rule on what we do or don’t do on a local level.