A Wish For More Energy

[mrchibbs]

I must be burning through stored glycogen really fast.
Took 45g of carbs pre-workout (Red Bull and a protein drink). Come the end of my workout, hypoglycemia kicked in

Try eating more salt, and more protein (in small amounts at a time). Maybe keep some frozen shrimps and meat patties in your freezer, that way you have an easy way to cook some protein in the middle of the day (smash the patty on a hot pan with coconut oil, with salt and pepper, grill the shrimps in the oven).

Ray said that protein, salt and thyroid are the most thermogenic substances.

Aspirin dissolved in hot water and baking soda is great and it also provides sodium.

 

[Diokine]

Regarding hypoglycemia and exercise;

depending on cholinergic tone (perceived stress accumulation and momentum towards routine,) insulin secretion and activity can be pushed beyond optimal range. Maintaining glucose homeostasis in this range can be difficult. Depending on the amount of effort and duration of exercise, energy substrates change. Fat is preferentially utilized during longer duration lower intensity efforts. I have a view that fat is the substrate for energy in most muscular activity whereas glucose provides the "ratchet" or energy for the nerves driving the motors.

So intake of redbull and protein would initiate a pretty substantial release of insulin and would induce substantial insulin response in the nervous system. The physical activity, depending on the duration and intensity could activate the cholinergic system more and prevent the utilization of glucose further, leading to hypoglycemic symptoms. Most of these effects are probably more central/medullary.

So it might be a problem with glycogen, but maybe it could be something like amplification of insulin release during a phase where the actions of insulin are inhibited after prolonged stimulation and subsequent fatigue.

 

[GreekDemiGod]

Hit my highest temperature recorded since peating: 37.0 C last evening.

• 1000+ cal. dinner
• Coffee + 500mg Aspirin + 500mg Magnesium + 1g Taurine
• hot shower

 

[GreekDemiGod]

@Diokine I also took Niacinamide last morning. Whenever I do this, seems to drive up my carb / sugar requirements a lot.

 

[GreekDemiGod]

I'm wondering how summer is affecting the thyroid healing process and how can one gauge whether improvements are taking place.
Obviously, I'm now able to hit mid-day temperatures up to 37.2, after being outside in the sun.and I didn't feel quite energetic.
But not sure if it's artificially raised.
I reckon morning temperature is still the main parameter to look for.
Does a high thyroid produce more CO2?

 

[Markus]

I'm wondering how summer is affecting the thyroid healing process and how can one gauge whether improvements are taking place.
Obviously, I'm now able to hit mid-day temperatures up to 37.2, after being outside in the sun.and I didn't feel quite energetic.
But not sure if it's artificially raised.
I reckon morning temperature is still the main parameter to look for.
Does a high thyroid produce more CO2?

Yeah, warm weather usually ameliorates subclinical hypothyroid symptoms.

 

[Vins7]

Yeah, warm weather usually ameliorates subclinical hypothyroid symptoms.

This is only due to the increase of weather temperature and consequently The increase of body temp?

 

[Markus]

This is only due to the increase of weather temperature and consequently The increase of body temp?

Yes, it spares thyroid hormones so that they can exert other health-related effects.

 

[mrchibbs]

I'm wondering how summer is affecting the thyroid healing process and how can one gauge whether improvements are taking place.
Obviously, I'm now able to hit mid-day temperatures up to 37.2, after being outside in the sun.and I didn't feel quite energetic.
But not sure if it's artificially raised.
I reckon morning temperature is still the main parameter to look for.
Does a high thyroid produce more CO2?

During summer, it’s important to use pulse as well as temperature, because even a dead body will be warm when the room is warm.

 

[GreekDemiGod]

@Ableton It was you that said that we are meant to be walking everyday.
I've been doing this lately, not to the extreme, just several 15 - 20m walks per day, and I'm guaranteed to have a bowel movement soon after.

 

[Deleted member 5487]

It's Well established that "Low Energy" or, Fatigue, CFS, is always about Free fatty acids and Tytophan. Try vitamin E and Lower your protein, increases Plant/Gelatinous Protein significantly.

"The fatigue produced by “over-training” is probably produced by a tryptophan and serotonin overload, resulting from catabolism of muscle proteins and stress-induced increases in serotonin. Muscle catabolism also releases a large amount of cysteine, and cysteine, methionine, and tryptophan suppress thyroid function (Carvalho, et al., 2000). Stress also liberates free fatty acids from storage, and these fatty acids increase the uptake of tryptophan into the brain, increasing the formation of serotonin. Since serotonin increases ACTH and cortisol secretion, the catabolic state tends to be self-perpetuating. This process is probably a factor influencing the rate of aging, and contributing to the physiological peculiarities of aging and depression."-RP

I went from working out 2x a week to 5x a week using pea protein, potato protein, and general high PRAL foods.

Animal Protein is overrated.

 

[Vins7]

S

It's Well established that "Low Energy" or, Fatigue, CFS, is always about Free fatty acids and Tytophan. Try vitamin E and Lower your protein, increases Plant/Gelatinous Protein significantly.

"The fatigue produced by “over-training” is probably produced by a tryptophan and serotonin overload, resulting from catabolism of muscle proteins and stress-induced increases in serotonin. Muscle catabolism also releases a large amount of cysteine, and cysteine, methionine, and tryptophan suppress thyroid function (Carvalho, et al., 2000). Stress also liberates free fatty acids from storage, and these fatty acids increase the uptake of tryptophan into the brain, increasing the formation of serotonin. Since serotonin increases ACTH and cortisol secretion, the catabolic state tends to be self-perpetuating. This process is probably a factor influencing the rate of aging, and contributing to the physiological peculiarities of aging and depression."-RP

I went from working out 2x a week to 5x a week using pea protein, potato protein, and general high PRAL foods.

Animal Protein is overrated.

So, you eat more plant protein from starches like potatoes?
Do you limit meat consumption?
What foods do you base your diet on? tuber starches? Do you consume dairy?
What foods do you mean with Pral?
Interesting ...

 

[Runenight201]

It's Well established that "Low Energy" or, Fatigue, CFS, is always about Free fatty acids and Tytophan. Try vitamin E and Lower your protein, increases Plant/Gelatinous Protein significantly.

"The fatigue produced by “over-training” is probably produced by a tryptophan and serotonin overload, resulting from catabolism of muscle proteins and stress-induced increases in serotonin. Muscle catabolism also releases a large amount of cysteine, and cysteine, methionine, and tryptophan suppress thyroid function (Carvalho, et al., 2000). Stress also liberates free fatty acids from storage, and these fatty acids increase the uptake of tryptophan into the brain, increasing the formation of serotonin. Since serotonin increases ACTH and cortisol secretion, the catabolic state tends to be self-perpetuating. This process is probably a factor influencing the rate of aging, and contributing to the physiological peculiarities of aging and depression."-RP

I went from working out 2x a week to 5x a week using pea protein, potato protein, and general high PRAL foods.

Animal Protein is overrated.

you full vegan?

I don’t think the complete absence of animal protein/fats is wise but people could dramatically improve their well-being if they started eating more fresh vegetation. The kind that crunches and then explodes with flavor. That’s some good stuff...

 

[Recoen]

Vitamin B1 deficient rats have drastically reduced glycogen stores. You said B3 seems to increase your carb needs, have you tried B1 (specifically TTFD)?

 

[Ableton]

I think going low fap is also quite important @GreekDemiGod

i had some bad addiction the last months due to breakup/ depression.
I haven’t orgasmed for a couple days now and energy levels are the best in weeks

 

[GreekDemiGod]

@Ableton That too. I'll feel like in beast-mode on some nofap streaks (20+ days). Increased strength and vitality.
I've made efforts in quitting porn completely (not that I was a heavy user), since I believe P is the most damaging part of PMO.
So I orgasmed using my imagination a lot lately, and though it does feel more pleasurable, it does zap me of my energy still.

 

[Ableton]

@Ableton That too. I'll feel like in beast-mode on some nofap streaks (20+ days). Increased strength and vitality.
I've made efforts in quitting porn completely (not that I was a heavy user), since I believe P is the most damaging part of PMO.
So I orgasmed using my imagination a lot lately, and though it does feel more pleasurable, it does zap me of my energy still.

its like your body tells you your body is not fit for reproduction. Feels bad

 

[Deleted member 5487]

you full vegan?

I don’t think the complete absence of animal protein/fats is wise but people could dramatically improve their well-being if they started eating more fresh vegetation. The kind that crunches and then explodes with flavor. That’s some good stuff...

No one said full vegan. I eat a scoop of big pea protein after meat, makes you feel so good.. Eating gelatinoues meat for every meal is unpractical.

"Decreasing tryptophan or decreasing serotonin improves learning and alertness, while increased serotonin impairs learning."
"On the tryptophan-poor diet, the amount of serotonin in the brain decreased. When brain serotonin decreases, the level of testosterone in male animals increases. More than 20 years ago, a chemical (p-chlorophenylalanine) that inhibits serotonin synthesis was found to tremendously increase libido."- RP

 

[Deleted member 5487]

S

So, you eat more plant protein from starches like potatoes?
Do you limit meat consumption?
What foods do you base your diet on? tuber starches? Do you consume dairy?
What foods do you mean with Pral?
Interesting ...

Yeah Culturally/Family/Personally vegan is totally unpractical for me. I eat meat. I just had steak for lunch, but the protein in the rice and a scoop of pea protein after help counter the excess amminos.

I avoid egg whites and milk for the most part. The trytophan in those is substanital. Beef, or gelantioues beef is far far beeter ammino profiles.

If you re-read this Tryptophan, serotonin, and aging

You will want to slash your trytophan drastically. I feel soooooo much better with more potatos/pea protein rather than eggwhites...its not even funny.


"In old age, the amount of serotonin in the brain increases. This undoubtedly is closely related to the relative inability to turn off cortisol production that is characteristic of old age (Sapolsky and Donnelly, 1985). Hypothyroidism increases the formation of serotonin, as does cortisol (Henley, et al., 1997, 1998; Neckers and Sze, 1976).-RP


In white hair, the amount of tryptophan is higher than in hair of any other color. Although serotonin and tryptophan are very important during rapid growth, their presence in senile tissues is probably closely associated with the processes of decline. The hair loss that occurs in hypothyroidism, postpartum syndrome, and with the use of drugs such as St. John's wort (which can also cause the “serotonin syndrome”) could be another effect of excess serotonin.

Serotonin stimulates cell division and tends to increase the formation of connective tissue, so its formation should be closely regulated once full growth is achieved. It contributes to the age- or stress-related thickening of blood vessels, and other fibrotic processes that impair organ function.

The metabolic rate (eating more without gaining extra weight) and ability to regulate body temperature are increased by early tryptophan deprivation. (Ashley and Curzon, 1981; Segall and Timiras, 1975.) The ability to oxidize sugar is impaired by serotonin, and several drugs with antiserotonin actions are being used to treat diabetes and its complications, such as hypertension, obesity, and foot ulcers.-RP

The quotes go on and on.

 

[Runenight201]

No one said full vegan. I eat a scoop of big pea protein after meat, makes you feel so good.. Eating gelatinoues meat for every meal is unpractical.

"Decreasing tryptophan or decreasing serotonin improves learning and alertness, while increased serotonin impairs learning."
"On the tryptophan-poor diet, the amount of serotonin in the brain decreased. When brain serotonin decreases, the level of testosterone in male animals increases. More than 20 years ago, a chemical (p-chlorophenylalanine) that inhibits serotonin synthesis was found to tremendously increase libido."- RP

Clearly I was in a hypometabolic malnourished state because I jumped to conclusions that were not there. What type of fallacy is that??

I’ll have to give pea protein powder a try. Whey protein always leaves me with acid reflux or indigestion, so it may be a good way to increase plant protein without having to eat nasty peas or legumes.