"A Painter without any Customers"

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  1. narouz

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    In the Rain-Making Time interview "Energy-Protective Materials,"
    Greenhouse asks Peat about his painting.
    Peat explains:

     
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    And where Ray Peat differs from almost the entire rest of the artist world is he's ok with that. He doesn't want the government to step in and fund his life so he can produce his customerless art.

    Though his art really isn't bad, I expect the primary reason he doesn't have customers is because he doesn't try to sell much :cool:
     
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    I posted the quote because I thought it was funny and endearing.

    On the anti-gov't thing:
    Peat noted on the same interview
    that he would rather pay the fine than sign on for Affordable Care.

    Some will seize upon such Peat comments
    and jump to the conclusion that he belongs to The Tea Party,
    buddies with Louie Gohmert, Sarah Palin, Ted Cruz, etc.

    Such leaps are premature.
     
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    Some, like who? I posted many examples of why Peat doesn't seem to fit with any of the political labels.

    Considering all the abuses of the government, someone who isn't anti-government in some way is likely not mentally sane.
     
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    some
    pronoun
    1. an unspecified number or amount of people or things.
    "here are some of our suggestions"
    2. at least a small amount or number of people or things.
    "surely some have noticed"
     
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    well, it's a pretty worthless post. you might as well say, the tea party is bad! i hate the tea party! peat isn't one!
     
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    narouz

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    Are you sure you won't reconsider
    and give me a positive rating for the post?
     
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    Well, you convinced me to make a request for bringing back the negative rep button.
     
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    I've encountered that a lot trying to talk about Peat's ideas with people, often they will accuse him of being a Jenny McCarthy vaccine denialist, vapid diet guru, etc. Once they identify the category he fits into, it's no longer necessary to listen to his arguments because they "already know" what he will say.

    It's like they've never encountered a person whose ideas and behavior can't be summarized as a cliché.
     
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    I agree with this--well, I'm even more favorably inclined about his art.
    I think it's really good.
    And I agree that he could likely sell it if he tried.
    I have some artist friends.
    I haven't envied the games they have to play to sell their stuff.
    There's a lot of wine and cheese eating and smoozing and bs-ing.
    Peat is uniquely UNqualified for that sort of thing.


    This part...not so much...
    The "entire rest of the artist world" expects "the government"
    to "step in and fund [their] lives"...? :shock:

    I've known a lot of artists,
    and I can't think of a single one
    who expects the government to fund their lives.

    In the '90's
    the Republicans took over congress
    and passed their "Contract with America."
    They were nearly salivating at the prospect of destroying NPR and PBS,
    and of defunding all art programs.

    That, they imagined, would save America.
     
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    Many things in the contract with america would've actually improved the chances of saving america, like eliminating the Department of Education. narouz however always writes trash when it comes to politics, to put it nicely, so he only gives you an inaccurate, misleading, and incomplete picture.
     
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    Classifying Ray Peat like that is a sign of immaturity more importantly than it is a premature act. Also saying that there exist such a thing as politics, so long as the concept of political correctness is valued or is enforced, is dangerous.
     
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    That's very encouraging actually. All of the artists I have known, even the good ones who's best work was very commercially appealing, thought there should be a plethora of government funding and grants available to sustain the "arts" because it's just so important to keep "art" alive for the unappreciative masses. Not just painters, btw, but dance, music, all the NEA venues.

    I think they teach a special class in funding propaganda in art school.

    Ray Peat seems to understand (at least I gather as much from all of his interviews and articles I've read) that government involvement in (anything) doesn't automatically improve the quality of the product. That hardly indicates he's on the libertarian end of the political spectrum. On the contrary, his association with Madaline Murray O'hair and the government scrutiny he reported being under in Mexico puts him closer to the opposite end of the spectrum
     
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    Does anyone have a link to the original interview mentioned?  / Edited to add: I found the link. Thanks.

    I would buy a painting from Ray Peat. If he ever wants a customer. :)
     
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    For one-hundredth of your annual income? :mrgreen:
     
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    Personally, I consider that Ray Peat is beyond all labels.

    His position on one thing could indicate to some one philosophical or political persuasion while his position on something else could indicate another.

    I like his concept of a painter without customers. A lot of freedom in that.
     
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    So not just some, but all of the artists you've ever known
    have been motivated primarily not by creativity
    but rather by a pampered sense of entitlement...? :roll:

    That does not match my experience with artists at all.

    I wonder where all the resentment comes from.
    Artists are sucking our economy dry?
    If we could just de-fund all art programs,
    that would make the world a lot better?

    Peat is an artist, of course, and he believes scientists, for example, can improve
    their intellect and creativity via artistic expression.
    I imagine he would approve, for instance, of the teaching of art
    and support for the arts.
    I bet he doesn't hate it that some art teachers
    are able to earn their meager wages.

    Take a look at the distribution of wealth presently in the US.
    [BBvideo 560,340:19rbekpu]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QPKKQnijnsM[/BBvideo]

    Why pick on artists?
    They are amongst the weak and powerless.
    I would suggest there are other more worthy
    (and more Peatian) places to deposit condescension and wrath.
     
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    That makes no sense.

    No. The military is sucking the economy dry. The art world is an amusing side show.

    And the key word is earn.
     
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    Artists are not weak and powerless, far from it. They (some of them at least) control the information flow/indoctrination to the next generation, especially if you include hollywood. And that's why social conservatives would love to defund PBS and NPR, both of which are on the left.

    Freedom from the market is not freedom from bias, it often ends up being freedom from reality itself, and freedom to follow the opinions of the leadership.
     
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    It is clear that attaining the Westerner's recognition of being an "artist" only requires a mild training of the senses and a training of the ego (to inflate it). So when so many are wrongly considered artists it is all too easy to claim the falsity of someone's opinion about what an artist is, just by saying that the opposite is also true.
     
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