A Call For Medical Nihilism - To Do Nothing Is Also Good Medicine

[yerrag]

Anti hypertensive medication did save a lot of kidneys though- not everybody can go on the Kempner diet.

I'm not so sure about this. It may be that it's a kidney problem developing into hypertension, and not the other way around.

But it's something that mainstream and alternative medicine are in agreement about - hypertension causes kidney problem. And yet it has never been proven.

When my blood pressure was normal in 2002, my serum creatinine was already high. Even before I developed hypertension, my eGFR was already low.

How does lowering blood pressure artificially help when it counters the body's adaptive mechanism to survive?

 

[burtlancast]

But, you can't or shouldn't be dismissive of most of modern medicine like that. If you want to find fault, then point your finger at the medical practitioners who got into the profession for the wrong reasons or don't belong there for other reasons.

How quickly do we forget that if the doctors stood together for their rights to treat their patients according to their conscience, the pharma industry would never have been able to capture their profession.

They refuse because for the great majority of them, a cured patient is a lost patient.

All the new chemicals poured in our environment each year is gravy train to their club.

Aspartame, MSG and amalgam fillings have no adverse health effects in medical school.

 

[Lyla]

"...the wrong people are getting into medicine and we are paying a terrible price for it..." Charlie T

 

[burtlancast]

"...the wrong people are getting into medicine and we are paying a terrible price for it..." Charlie T

Nice man, this Dr Charlie Teo.

But when he's forced to choose between telling the truth for the good of the people or save his career, he's going to toe the line just like the rest of the pack.

"As a human being, as a father of children, as someone who I hope is reasonably compassionate, I have no problem with it (John Holt therapy). As a scientist, I should have a problem with it, because before I endorse a treatment, I should insist on seeing the scientific data." (10.17 in the video)



Holt published 43 scientific articles about his therapy throughout 3 decades and has more diplomas attached to his name than Teo will ever hope to acquire. In these articles lie the clinical statistical results for his radio wave cancer treatment.

But somehow, Teo just can't be arsed to read them, and has to lie about their existence in front of the camera.

A pharisee, like the rest of them.

 

[burtlancast]

I'm not so sure about this. It may be that it's a kidney problem developing into hypertension, and not the other way around.

Rice diet - Wikipedia

 

[burtlancast]

Isn't potassium bicarbonate just as effective as anti-hypertensive drugs at lowering blood pressure, but without the side-effects?

I think you're absolutely right.

But somehow people cannot usually be persuaded something as simple as potassium bicarbonate can cure their hypertension, and rely instead on drugs prescribed by an authority.

 

[yerrag]

Rice diet - Wikipedia

Although I haven't tried this, it may work considering that after a day of dry fasting, my blood pressure would drop dramatically. It may not be the fast itself causing the pressure drop, but the lack of protein intake. But then I ask what the point is if I can't realistically fast continually or keep restricting myself to Kemper's protocol.

 

[cosmopolitanla]

I was wondering if taking no action would apply also to my case, and still trying to just "fix" issues with diet alone.

I’ve hormonal imbalances and the only option doctors have is to put me on estrogen (estreval) and synthetic progesterone (Provera).

I have been eating Peaty diet for the last year, i did have a few eating disorders in the past (low carb, keto, , but now I’m finally feeling well and well fed, gained 10lbs (I’m about 134lbs 5’6”).

I have been diagnosed pcos when i was 14 yo (even though completely regular testosterone levels), I never got a period unless induced by progesterone injections, after that I and took the birth control for 12 years. Then I stopped and refused to take it but to get periods i was given prometrium for 10 days every month and it worked perfectly for years until i was 33. Now I'm 36 and I haven’t had my period for almost 3 years. I moved from Italy to Los Angeles 4 years ago, looks like stress and some diet restrictions, different type of food in here, and stress made my imbalances even worse.
My prolactin FSH LH Tsh T4 T3 in normal ranges but on the lower side, low estrogens, low progesterone. I'm also taking ProgestE according the leaflet for months already.

Now doctors says if I want to get pregnant either to give me gonadotropin injections or for now just to make me bleed (I have very low estrogen levels, or better estradiol). They say my estrogens are too low it cause my uterus lining to be very thin , and I don’t make enough FSH to ovulate.

They want to put me on Estrace (orally and vaginally) and 2 weeks Provera (synthetic progesterone) to make me bleed. I already took their estrodial for 3 months before, but it didn’t help absolutely in nothing, still no period or changes.

Is there any other option for me to make me get my period back, or induce ovulation, make my uterus lining thicker?

Any ideas how to avoid taking estrogen or any specialist that would take a different approach than prescribing conventional estrogens?
I’ve been to 4 doctors and same results.

I would greatly appreciate any help and advice.
Thank you so much!

 

[Blossom]

I was wondering if taking no action would apply also to my case, and still trying to just "fix" issues with diet alone.

I’ve hormonal imbalances and the only option doctors have is to put me on estrogen (estreval) and synthetic progesterone (Provera).

I have been eating Peaty diet for the last year, i did have a few eating disorders in the past (low carb, keto, , but now I’m finally feeling well and well fed, gained 10lbs (I’m about 134lbs 5’6”).

I have been diagnosed pcos when i was 14 yo (even though completely regular testosterone levels), I never got a period unless induced by progesterone injections, after that I and took the birth control for 12 years. Then I stopped and refused to take it but to get periods i was given prometrium for 10 days every month and it worked perfectly for years until i was 33. Now I'm 36 and I haven’t had my period for almost 3 years. I moved from Italy to Los Angeles 4 years ago, looks like stress and some diet restrictions, different type of food in here, and stress made my imbalances even worse.
My prolactin FSH LH Tsh T4 T3 in normal ranges but on the lower side, low estrogens, low progesterone. I'm also taking ProgestE according the leaflet for months already.

Now doctors says if I want to get pregnant either to give me gonadotropin injections or for now just to make me bleed (I have very low estrogen levels, or better estradiol). They say my estrogens are too low it cause my uterus lining to be very thin , and I don’t make enough FSH to ovulate.

They want to put me on Estrace (orally and vaginally) and 2 weeks Provera (synthetic progesterone) to make me bleed. I already took their estrodial for 3 months before, but it didn’t help absolutely in nothing, still no period or changes.

Is there any other option for me to make me get my period back, or induce ovulation, make my uterus lining thicker?

Any ideas how to avoid taking estrogen or any specialist that would take a different approach than prescribing conventional estrogens?
I’ve been to 4 doctors and same results.

I would greatly appreciate any help and advice.
Thank you so much!

Welcome to the forum!
Do you mind having this as it’s own separate thread? I’d like as many people to see your questions as possible. Thanks

 

[cosmopolitanla]

Welcome to the forum!
Do you mind having this as it’s own separate thread? I’d like as many people to see your questions as possible. Thanks

sure thank you for your response. I will try to post it as a separate thread (I'm a new user :)

 

[Blossom]

sure thank you for your response. I will try to post it as a separate thread (I'm a new user :)

Great! If you need any help let me know.

 

[pepsi]

Rice diet - Wikipedia

"Kempner admitted in statements before his death that he whipped patients who avoided his rice diet."

 

[cosmopolitanla]

Great! If you need any help let me know.

Just created a thread under "hormones"
is there any way I can change my username?

 

[Blossom]

Just created a thread under "hormones"
is there any way I can change my username?

Yes, I’ll alert @charlie. He can do that for you.

 

[haidut]

Isn't potassium bicarbonate just as effective as anti-hypertensive drugs at lowering blood pressure, but without the side-effects?

I think yes, but let's see what burt has to say. Taurine is also pre

It isn't about treatments or developments. It's about practitioners being skilled enough to use the tools we have available. There is no one size fits all solution.

The range of qualified practitioners is wide.........like from the guy on the grill at burger king, to the chef at the best restaurant in the city.

When things go wrong, you need a highly specialized practitioner who understands your unique situation. That is hard to find.

But, you can't or shouldn't be dismissive of most of modern medicine like that. If you want to find fault, then point your finger at the medical practitioners who got into the profession for the wrong reasons or don't belong there for other reasons.

The critique is NOT against all of medicine. If you look at my post, the author of the book himself summed it up pretty well - surgery/ER for acute conditions, aspirin for headaches, antibiotics/antivirals for infections, insulin for diabetes. Those things provably work. Unfortunately, most of what remains is simply fearmongering that even when arriving at the correct diagnosis offers no solution except lifelong "life support" that eventually leads to some other bad/incurable disease.

 

[haidut]

only doctors who take an oath to "do no harm." Since the vast majority, at least in the US, are forced to violate their oath on a daily basis

Actually, the oath (in its original form) is almost gone at this point and majority of new doctors think it burdens them precisely because it focuses on the patient. About 20% of new doctors are not taking any oath at all and the rest are taking heavily modified "modern" versions, which usually leave out the part of "do no harm".
Millennial physicians opting out of the Hippocratic Oath in favor of alternatives: A poll conducted by Medscape shows the popularity of the Hippocratic Oath, an optional vow to uphold certain ethical standards, is waning in favor of alternative oaths, or no oath at all.
"...Medscape has surveyed more than 2,600 physicians and 134 medical students since last November on the subject, finding stark differences in opinions of the oath based on age. For example, 70 percent of physicians ages 65 and older said the Hippocratic Oath was very meaningful to them, compared to 39 percent of physicians under age 34. And 64 percent of physicians ages 65 and older reported they recited the Hippocratic Oath in its original form, compared to 39 percent of physicians under age 34. However, the poll indicates roughly similar proportions of physicians and medical students are still taking some form of oath. Only slightly more medical students reported taking no oath at all (19 percent) compared to physicians ages 65 and older (17 percent) and physicians 34 and younger (14 percent). Instead, younger physicians and medical students appear to be more split among alternative pledges. Medical students and millennial physicians under age 34 are much more likely to recite an oath written by medical school faculty (19 percent and 17 percent, respectively) than their older counterparts over age 65 (4 percent). Similarly, the Declaration of Geneva — a modern revision of the Hippocratic Oath adopted by the General Assembly of the World Medical Association after World War II — and the oath by Louis Lasagna, MD, a clinically renowned pharmacology expert who penned his own revision in 1964, have started to gain momentum among younger physicians and medical students, according to the poll. Younger physicians may have less faith in the Hippocratic Oath, which has a patient focus, because they feel it no longer holds in today's healthcare environment in which many needs compete for their attention. According to the poll, only 12 percent of physicians under age 34 said they were always able to put patients first, compared to 40 percent of physicians age 65 and older. Many younger physicians also indicated they felt the oath's patient focus added to burnout. Forty-seven percent of physicians ages 34 and under felt the oath contributes to burnout compared to 27 percent of those over age 65, according to the report.

https://gizmodo.com/doctors-aren-t-actually-bound-by-the-hippocratic-oath-1465044222
"...Although ancient, swearing the oath was not used as a rite of passage at medical schools until 1508, when the University of Wittenberg first administered it. By 1804, it had been incorporated into the graduation ceremony of the medical school in Montpellier, France. However, it was still not commonly administered, and by the early 20th century, not even 20% of U.S. medical schools included the oath as part of their commencement ceremonies."

 

[yerrag]

Actually, the oath (in its original form) is almost gone at this point and majority of new doctors think it burdens them precisely because it focuses on the patient. About 20% of new doctors are not taking any oath at all and the rest are taking heavily modified "modern" versions, which usually leave out the part of "do no harm".
Millennial physicians opting out of the Hippocratic Oath in favor of alternatives: A poll conducted by Medscape shows the popularity of the Hippocratic Oath, an optional vow to uphold certain ethical standards, is waning in favor of alternative oaths, or no oath at all.
"...Medscape has surveyed more than 2,600 physicians and 134 medical students since last November on the subject, finding stark differences in opinions of the oath based on age. For example, 70 percent of physicians ages 65 and older said the Hippocratic Oath was very meaningful to them, compared to 39 percent of physicians under age 34. And 64 percent of physicians ages 65 and older reported they recited the Hippocratic Oath in its original form, compared to 39 percent of physicians under age 34. However, the poll indicates roughly similar proportions of physicians and medical students are still taking some form of oath. Only slightly more medical students reported taking no oath at all (19 percent) compared to physicians ages 65 and older (17 percent) and physicians 34 and younger (14 percent). Instead, younger physicians and medical students appear to be more split among alternative pledges. Medical students and millennial physicians under age 34 are much more likely to recite an oath written by medical school faculty (19 percent and 17 percent, respectively) than their older counterparts over age 65 (4 percent). Similarly, the Declaration of Geneva — a modern revision of the Hippocratic Oath adopted by the General Assembly of the World Medical Association after World War II — and the oath by Louis Lasagna, MD, a clinically renowned pharmacology expert who penned his own revision in 1964, have started to gain momentum among younger physicians and medical students, according to the poll. Younger physicians may have less faith in the Hippocratic Oath, which has a patient focus, because they feel it no longer holds in today's healthcare environment in which many needs compete for their attention. According to the poll, only 12 percent of physicians under age 34 said they were always able to put patients first, compared to 40 percent of physicians age 65 and older. Many younger physicians also indicated they felt the oath's patient focus added to burnout. Forty-seven percent of physicians ages 34 and under felt the oath contributes to burnout compared to 27 percent of those over age 65, according to the report.

https://gizmodo.com/doctors-aren-t-actually-bound-by-the-hippocratic-oath-1465044222
"...Although ancient, swearing the oath was not used as a rite of passage at medical schools until 1508, when the University of Wittenberg first administered it. By 1804, it had been incorporated into the graduation ceremony of the medical school in Montpellier, France. However, it was still not commonly administered, and by the early 20th century, not even 20% of U.S. medical schools included the oath as part of their commencement ceremonies."

In this regard, doctors are becoming more honest. No need to make empty platitudes when the reality is different. If they can say "Next" and append it with "Victim" they can be knighted.

 

[yerrag]

There is a hospital in Metro Manila with the very "un-patient first" slogan: "Where Patients are Partners." It sounds nice, until you get admitted. I swore never to step foot in that hospital.

Where Patients are Victims would sound better, but that wouldn't sell.

 

[Herbie]

The elderly in nursing homes are the cash cows of the medical/pharma blood suckers.

What they do is feed the old people in the home funded by tax powers government funded pension money is feed the old people including my grandparents the most malnourished, low calorie,canola oil diet and no wonder they have them on blood pressure medication and diabetes, dementia drugs and so on. These poor old people have such low blood sugar that they faint from bending over to tie their shoe lase hense why they all wear slip on shoes, and the family members believe its a medical issue to be solved by drugs... discusting world and their all in on blood sucking satin sporn.

 

[LucyL]

The elderly in nursing homes are the cash cows of the medical/pharma blood suckers.

What they do is feed the old people in the home funded by tax powers government funded pension money is feed the old people including my grandparents the most malnourished, low calorie,canola oil diet and no wonder they have them on blood pressure medication and diabetes, dementia drugs and so on. These poor old people have such low blood sugar that they faint from bending over to tie their shoe lase hense why they all wear slip on shoes, and the family members believe its a medical issue to be solved by drugs... discusting world and their all in on blood sucking satin sporn.

Truth. When you enter one of those facilities, no matter how good your insurance, they try to get you or your relatives to sign your house up as collateral. Then they'll make sure they need it.