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Eggs have lower copper. They also manually replace some of the actions triggered by copper: insulinogenic, conversion of stearic acid to oleic acid, etc. Raw eggs and milk are in balance with the lower copper present. Once bastardized and combined with other foods, then it's back to square one. For example, adding 1 ounce of liver if running on 1 gallon 1% milk and 0.5 gallon orange juice.

do you think manganese and chromium are not essential nutrients? and are EPA and DHA essential nutrients? do cows get the EPA/DHA from grass consumption?
do you know about the nutrients present in raw honey? like several ounces of it. wondering if anyone has posted about the vitamins minerals present in honey.

also, isnt beef liver intentionally higher in copper and has additional factors to process the copper like higher vitamin A, taurine, some iron/zinc etc?
 

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Gotcha. Like you previously mentioned, calcium helps and I came across this:

Table 1​

Factors affecting tryptophan-nicotinamide conversion.

Enhance​
Suppress​
Nutrients
Nutrients
 High-quality protein38
 Low tryptophan diet39
 Unsaturated fatty acids23
 Low-molecular peptides38
Hormones
 Less vitamin B1 intake40
 Thyroxine24
 Less vitamin B6 intake17
Chemicals
 Excess protein intake41
 Antihyperlipidemic drug26
Hormones
 Antitubercular drugs27
 Adrenaline25
 Phthalate esters18
 Estrogen42
Physiological conditions
Diseases
 Pregnancy21
 Type-I diabetes20
 Renal failure13

Note: Superscript numbers reflect reference number.


My main fruit sources of B3, B6 and B7 are berries and melons. My highest sources of B3 are blackberries, boysenberries, strawberries, blueberries, honeydew melon and canary melon, my highest sources of B6 are elderberries, honeydew, canary and gooseberries, and my highest sources of B7 are currants, raspberries, strawberries and blackberries.

this is interesting, you got this list off ncbi? Phthalate esters and unsaturated fats actually boost tryptophan niacinamide conversion? seems crazy. B1 and B6 improve conversion which is good, B1 is in milk. what is meant by low molecular peptides, doesnt that include human breast milk, whey protein, colostrum, and possibly regular cows milk?
have you seen anything or has anyone posted on here regarding the nutrients in raw honey? really curious what is in it. I know it has antioxidants, pollen, and the beneficial effects of those things, but was also curious about its vitamin and mineral composition.
 

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do you think manganese and chromium are not essential nutrients? and are EPA and DHA essential nutrients? do cows get the EPA/DHA from grass consumption?
do you know about the nutrients present in raw honey? like several ounces of it. wondering if anyone has posted about the vitamins minerals present in honey.

also, isnt beef liver intentionally higher in copper and has additional factors to process the copper like higher vitamin A, taurine, some iron/zinc etc?
Eggs are balanced with themselves. That is, lower copper is compensated with prior conversion or presence of other nutrients. Egg fat is a lot more like human breast milk fat than cow milk fat is, down to preformed arachidonic acid and DHA.
 

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Eggs are balanced with themselves. That is, lower copper is compensated with prior conversion or presence of other nutrients. Egg fat is a lot more like human breast milk fat than cow milk fat is, down to preformed arachidonic acid and DHA.
I think eggs could be much more dangerous, as is human breast milk and chicken and pork meats. cows and ruminants are the only ones able to convert PUFA in the diet to saturated fats. even that meyenberg goat milk brand is literally like 4g saturated fat and 2.5g PUFA per serving or something.
do you know about raw honeys nutrients as well as, do you think manganese, chromium are not essential? why is low b3 in milk a good thing?
 

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this is interesting, you got this list off ncbi? Phthalate esters and unsaturated fats actually boost tryptophan niacinamide conversion? seems crazy. B1 and B6 improve conversion which is good, B1 is in milk. what is meant by low molecular peptides, doesnt that include human breast milk, whey protein, colostrum, and possibly regular cows milk?
have you seen anything or has anyone posted on here regarding the nutrients in raw honey? really curious what is in it. I know it has antioxidants, pollen, and the beneficial effects of those things, but was also curious about its vitamin and mineral composition.

Yep, I copied the table from ncbi. I’m not sure what is considered low molecular (<900 daltons maybe?), but when I hit the citation next to low molecular peptides, I get this:

“38. Shibata K, Onodera M. Comparison of tryptophan-niacin conversion in rats fed with a nicotinic acid-free diet containing egg white, egg white proteolysate, or mixtures of amino acids. Agric Biol Chem. 1991;55:1291–8. [Google Scholar]”

So I’m thinking their source comes from the highlighted? Wouldn’t any food be a potential source if its proteins are broken down into peptides via enzymes, microbial fermentation and/or food processing?

I think the vitamin and mineral content of honey may be dependent on many factors such as color—darker having more and lighter having less (?)—and type, but this gives a general idea of honey’s nutritional composition:

Nutritional composition of honey*

��
Range
Mean
Range
Mean
Blossom honey

Honeydew honey

Water​

15 – 20​

17.2​

15 – 20​

16.3​

Total sugars​


79.7​


80.5​

 Monosaccharides





  fructose​

30 – 45​

38.2​

28 – 40​

31.8​

  glucose​

24 – 40​

31.3​

19 – 32​

26.1​

 Disaccharides





  sucrose​

0.1 – 4.8​

0.7​

0.1 – 4.7​

0.5​

  others​

2.0 – 8.0​

5.0​

1.0 – 6.0​

4.0​

 Trisaccharides





  oligosaccharides​


3.1​


10.1​

  erlose​

0.5 – 6.0​

0.8​

0.1 – 6.0​

0.1​

  melezitose​


< 0.1​

0.3 – 22​

4.0​

  others​

0.5 – 1.0​

0.5​

0.1 – 6.0​

3.0​

Minerals​

0.1 – 0.5​

0.2​

0.6 – 2.0​

0.9​

Amino acids, proteins​

0.2 – 0.4​

0.3​

0.4 – 0.7​

0.6​

Acids​

0.2 – 0.8​

0.5​

0.8 – 1.5​

1.1​

pH value​
3.2 – 4.5​
3.9​
4.5 – 6.5​
5.2​

*Data in g/100 g of honey, Adapted from [2,3].

Table 2​

Chemical elements found in honey*

Minerals
Amount (mg/100 g)
Vitamins
Amount (mg/100 g)
Sodium (Na)​

1.6 – 17​

Thiamine (B1)​

0.00 – 0.01​

Calcium (Ca)​

3 – 31​

Riboflavin (B2)​

0.01 – 0.02​

Potassium (K)​

40 – 3500​

Niacin (B3)​

0.10 – 0.20​

Magnesium (Mg)​

0.7 – 13​

Pantothenic acid (B5)​

0.02 – 0.11​

Phosphorus (P)​

2 – 15​

Pyridoxine (B6)​

0.01 – 0.32​

Selenium (Se)​

0.002 – 0.01​

Folic acid (B9)​

0.002 – 0.01​

Copper (Cu)a​

0.02 – 0.6​

Ascorbic acid (C)​

2.2 – 2.5​

Iron (Fe)a​

0.03 – 4​

Phyllochinon (K)​

0.025​

Manganese (Mn)a​

0.02 – 2​



Chromium (Cr)a​

0.01 – 0.3​



Zinc (Zn)a​
0.05 – 2​

*Adapted from [2,3]aHeavy metals.

Table 3​

Other chemical elements found in honey*

Element
Amount (mg/100 g)
Element
Amount (mg/100 g)
Aluminium (Al)​

0.01 – 2.4​

Lead (Pb)a,b​

0.001 – 0.03​

Arsenic (As)a,b​

0.014 – 0.026​

Lithium (Li)​

0.225 – 1.56​

Barium (Ba)​

0.01 – 0.08​

Molybdenum (Mo)a​

0 – 0.004​

Boron (B)​

0.05 – 0.3​

Nickel (Ni)a​

0 – 0.051​

Bromine (Br)​

0.4 – 1.3​

Rubidium (Rb)​

0.040 – 3.5​

Cadmium (Cd)a,b​

0 – 0.001​

Silicon (Si)​

0.05 – 24​

Chlorine (Cl)​

0.4 – 56​

Strontium (Sr)​

0.04 – 0.35​

Cobalt (Co)a​

0.1 – 0.35​

Sulphur (S)​

0.7 – 26​

Fluoride (F)​

0.4 – 1.34​

Vanadium (V)​

0 – 0.013​

Iodide (I)​
10 – 100​
Zirconium (Zr)​
0.05 – 0.08​

*Adapted from [2,3]aHeavy metals.
bToxic heavy metals listed amongst the first 20 top hazardous substances in the priority list compiled by ATSDR thus 1 : Ar, 2 : Pb, 7 : Cd; Presence and toxicity in NH can be due to contamination through human error or inimical practices.

 
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Yep, I copied the table from ncbi. I’m not sure what is considered low molecular (<900 daltons maybe?), but when I hit the citation next to low molecular peptides, I get this:

“38. Shibata K, Onodera M. Comparison of tryptophan-niacin conversion in rats fed with a nicotinic acid-free diet containing egg white, egg white proteolysate, or mixtures of amino acids. Agric Biol Chem. 1991;55:1291–8. [Google Scholar]”

So I’m thinking their source comes from the highlighted? Wouldn’t any food be a potential source if its proteins are broken down into peptides via enzymes, microbial fermentation and/or food processing?

I think the vitamin and mineral content of honey may be dependent on many factors such as color—darker having more and lighter having less (?)—and type, but this gives a general idea of honey’s nutritional composition:

Nutritional composition of honey*

��
Blossom honey

Honeydew honey

Range
Mean
Range
Mean
Water​

15 – 20​

17.2​

15 – 20​

16.3​

Total sugars​


79.7​


80.5​

 Monosaccharides





  fructose​

30 – 45​

38.2​

28 – 40​

31.8​

  glucose​

24 – 40​

31.3​

19 – 32​

26.1​

 Disaccharides





  sucrose​

0.1 – 4.8​

0.7​

0.1 – 4.7​

0.5​

  others​

2.0 – 8.0​

5.0​

1.0 – 6.0​

4.0​

 Trisaccharides





  oligosaccharides​


3.1​


10.1​

  erlose​

0.5 – 6.0​

0.8​

0.1 – 6.0​

0.1​

  melezitose​


< 0.1​

0.3 – 22​

4.0​

  others​

0.5 – 1.0​

0.5​

0.1 – 6.0​

3.0​

Minerals​

0.1 – 0.5​

0.2​

0.6 – 2.0​

0.9​

Amino acids, proteins​

0.2 – 0.4​

0.3​

0.4 – 0.7​

0.6​

Acids​

0.2 – 0.8​

0.5​

0.8 – 1.5​

1.1​

pH value​
3.2 – 4.5​
3.9​
4.5 – 6.5​
5.2​

*Data in g/100 g of honey, Adapted from [2,3].

Table 2​

Chemical elements found in honey*

Minerals
Amount (mg/100 g)
Vitamins
Amount (mg/100 g)
Sodium (Na)​

1.6 – 17​

Thiamine (B1)​

0.00 – 0.01​

Calcium (Ca)​

3 – 31​

Riboflavin (B2)​

0.01 – 0.02​

Potassium (K)​

40 – 3500​

Niacin (B3)​

0.10 – 0.20​

Magnesium (Mg)​

0.7 – 13​

Pantothenic acid (B5)​

0.02 – 0.11​

Phosphorus (P)​

2 – 15​

Pyridoxine (B6)​

0.01 – 0.32​

Selenium (Se)​

0.002 – 0.01​

Folic acid (B9)​

0.002 – 0.01​

Copper (Cu)a​

0.02 – 0.6​

Ascorbic acid (C)​

2.2 – 2.5​

Iron (Fe)a​

0.03 – 4​

Phyllochinon (K)​

0.025​

Manganese (Mn)a​

0.02 – 2​



Chromium (Cr)a​

0.01 – 0.3​



Zinc (Zn)a​
0.05 – 2​

*Adapted from [2,3]aHeavy metals.

Table 3​

Other chemical elements found in honey*

Element
Amount (mg/100 g)
Element
Amount (mg/100 g)
Aluminium (Al)​

0.01 – 2.4​

Lead (Pb)a,b​

0.001 – 0.03​

Arsenic (As)a,b​

0.014 – 0.026​

Lithium (Li)​

0.225 – 1.56​

Barium (Ba)​

0.01 – 0.08​

Molybdenum (Mo)a​

0 – 0.004​

Boron (B)​

0.05 – 0.3​

Nickel (Ni)a​

0 – 0.051​

Bromine (Br)​

0.4 – 1.3​

Rubidium (Rb)​

0.040 – 3.5​

Cadmium (Cd)a,b​

0 – 0.001​

Silicon (Si)​

0.05 – 24​

Chlorine (Cl)​

0.4 – 56​

Strontium (Sr)​

0.04 – 0.35​

Cobalt (Co)a​

0.1 – 0.35​

Sulphur (S)​

0.7 – 26​

Fluoride (F)​

0.4 – 1.34​

Vanadium (V)​

0 – 0.013​

Iodide (I)​
10 – 100​
Zirconium (Zr)​
0.05 – 0.08​

*Adapted from [2,3]aHeavy metals.
bToxic heavy metals listed amongst the first 20 top hazardous substances in the priority list compiled by ATSDR thus 1 : Ar, 2 : Pb, 7 : Cd; Presence and toxicity in NH can be due to contamination through human error or inimical practices.

Honey can be very high in potassium it seems. Good to know!
 

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Honey can be very high in potassium it seems. Good to know!
Yeah, I was surprised to see that. I consume at least half a pound of raw honey daily, but only ever thought it contributed trace amounts of nutrients to my diet.
 

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Yeah, I was surprised to see that. I consume at least half a pound of raw honey daily, but only ever thought it contributed trace amounts of nutrients to my diet.
What does that cost you....?
 

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I think eggs could be much more dangerous, as is human breast milk and chicken and pork meats. cows and ruminants are the only ones able to convert PUFA in the diet to saturated fats. even that meyenberg goat milk brand is literally like 4g saturated fat and 2.5g PUFA per serving or something.
do you know about raw honeys nutrients as well as, do you think manganese, chromium are not essential? why is low b3 in milk a good thing?
Eggs aren't "Peaty".

I didn't say they weren't essential. I am saying the whole nutrition profile is balanced. Each thing "low" is evened out in some way. Tryptophan converts to B3. Why'd you want B3 when burning fat? A slight adjustment may be needed, as chickens have a higher tryptophan -> niacin conversion rate compared to humans.
 

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Table 3​

Other chemical elements found in honey*

Element
Amount (mg/100 g)
Element
Amount (mg/100 g)
Aluminium (Al)​

0.01 – 2.4​

Lead (Pb)a,b​

0.001 – 0.03​

Arsenic (As)a,b​

0.014 – 0.026​

Lithium (Li)​

0.225 – 1.56​

Barium (Ba)​

0.01 – 0.08​

Molybdenum (Mo)a​

0 – 0.004​

Boron (B)​

0.05 – 0.3​

Nickel (Ni)a​

0 – 0.051​

Bromine (Br)​

0.4 – 1.3​

Rubidium (Rb)​

0.040 – 3.5​

Cadmium (Cd)a,b​

0 – 0.001​

Silicon (Si)​

0.05 – 24​

Chlorine (Cl)​

0.4 – 56​

Strontium (Sr)​

0.04 – 0.35​

Cobalt (Co)a​

0.1 – 0.35​

Sulphur (S)​

0.7 – 26​

Fluoride (F)​

0.4 – 1.34​

Vanadium (V)​

0 – 0.013​

Iodide (I)
10 – 100
Zirconium (Zr)​
0.05 – 0.08​
Hmm... 10 - 100mg of iodide per 100g of honey. That's quite the overdose, from a Peaty perspective (but a drop in the bucket, for me). Very interesting...
 
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Hmm... 10 - 100mg of iodide per 100g of honey. That's quite the overdose, from a Peaty perspective (but a drop in the bucket, for me). Very interesting...
This may be part of the reason honey is antimicrobial.
 

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Can kefir be a replacement for milk? Can't drink milk. But never had problems with kefir and similar foods.
Depends on the specific variety of Kefir, I suppose. The lactic acid and bacteria inside of Kefir could trigger a stress reaction within the body. Maybe if you added a bunch of carrots to your diet you could counteract the negative effects of the kefir by "flushing out" the endotoxin producing bacteria. Peat recommends carrots because endotoxin bacteria in the gut attach themselves to the fiber, which gets excreted along with the bacteria. If I were in your situation, I would drink some low-fat kefir and eat a carrot or two a day, but that is just my opinion.
 

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have you seen anything or has anyone posted on here regarding the nutrients in raw honey? really curious what is in it. I know it has antioxidants, pollen, and the beneficial effects of those things, but was also curious about its vitamin and mineral composition.

I came across some more info on honey that might interest you...


Yeah i wanna know which kind has 3.5grams of K per 100g thats epic

It looks like the seasons are a factor in potassium content. On page 10:

“The content of microelements and trace elements in bee honey was the subject of research by Ribeiro et al. [60]. The authors used the Total Reflection X-ray Fluorescence Spectroscopy (TXRF) technique. Honeys were obtained in 4 seasons: spring, summer, autumn, and winter. Seasonal changes in potassium (e.g., winter: 98.7 mg/100 g ± 12, autumn: 194.5 mg/100 g ± 20) and calcium (e.g., winter: 375.2 mg/100 g ± 38, autumn: 46.4 mg/100 g ± 6) levels were demonstrated. However, no significant changes were found in the content of Cr, Ti, Se, and Ni.”


Hmm... 10 - 100mg of iodide per 100g of honey. That's quite the overdose, from a Peaty perspective (but a drop in the bucket, for me). Very interesting...

I noticed that, too. It appears I’m potentially taking in enough iodide to nuke my thyroid. lol So you personally don’t think that amount is concerning?
 

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I noticed that, too. It appears I’m potentially taking in enough iodide to nuke my thyroid. lol So you personally don’t think that amount is concerning?
Nope. Iodide (in the form of SSKI) has historically been taken in gram-sized quantities, daily, with no adverse effects. Albert Szent-Györgyi took 750mg daily for decades and lived to a ripe old age. Peat has cautioned against excessive iodine (I2), but has spoken favorably of iodide (I-).

From "The transparency of life: Cataracts as a model of age-related disease":
One of the best-known free radical scavenging substances that has been widely used as a drug is iodide. It has been used to treat asthma, parasites, syphilis, cancer, Graves’ disease, periodontal disease, and arteriosclerosis. Diseases that produce tissue overgrowth associated with inflammation--granulomas--have been treated with iodides, and although the iodide doesn’t necessarily kill the germ, it does help to break down and remove the granuloma. Leprosy and syphilis were among the diseases involving granulomas* that were treated in this way. In the case of tuberculosis, it has been suggested that iodides combine with unsaturated fatty acids which inhibit proteolytic enzymes, and thus allow for the removal of the abnormal tissue.
 

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I came across some more info on honey that might interest you...




It looks like the seasons are a factor in potassium content. On page 10:

“The content of microelements and trace elements in bee honey was the subject of research by Ribeiro et al. [60]. The authors used the Total Reflection X-ray Fluorescence Spectroscopy (TXRF) technique. Honeys were obtained in 4 seasons: spring, summer, autumn, and winter. Seasonal changes in potassium (e.g., winter: 98.7 mg/100 g ± 12, autumn: 194.5 mg/100 g ± 20) and calcium (e.g., winter: 375.2 mg/100 g ± 38, autumn: 46.4 mg/100 g ± 6) levels were demonstrated. However, no significant changes were found in the content of Cr, Ti, Se, and Ni.”




I noticed that, too. It appears I’m potentially taking in enough iodide to nuke my thyroid. lol So you personally don’t think that amount is concerning?
But 3500 mg per 100g, thats an epic proportion, id love to have that honey lol
 

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Nope. Iodide (in the form of SSKI) has historically been taken in gram-sized quantities, daily, with no adverse effects. Albert Szent-Györgyi took 750mg daily for decades and lived to a ripe old age. Peat has cautioned against excessive iodine (I2), but has spoken favorably of iodide (I-).

From "The transparency of life: Cataracts as a model of age-related disease":

Perfect! Thank you so much! I should have checked his site first. I went looking on the bioenergetic search engine for interviews where he mentioned honey and iodine versus iodide, but only got as far as honey—I get sidetracked easily with the interviews. lol

But 3500 mg per 100g, thats an epic proportion, id love to have that honey lol

I know, right? If I’m not mistaken, that’s roughly the amount of potassium in 8 medium sized bananas. Personally, I’d much rather have honey than bananas. I guess I’ll just have to eat even more of it to ensure I’m getting a lot of potassium. Darn. :D
 

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Hmm... 10 - 100mg of iodide per 100g of honey. That's quite the overdose, from a Peaty perspective (but a drop in the bucket, for me). Very interesting...
I wonder what their source was for that. I tried going to all the references but none mentioned anything about iodide or iodine, though there were a couple of old, foreign-language books that I couldn't access.
 

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I wonder what their source was for that. I tried going to all the references but none mentioned anything about iodide or iodine, though there were a couple of old, foreign-language books that I couldn't access.
the effect from even 1mg of supplemental iodide is completely different from raw honey, even if the iodide is taken alongside sugar and salt and a selenium supplement. honey has something altering the function of iodide if that much is actually in there. im not sure if theres that much in just 3.5ounces of honey

Perfect! Thank you so much! I should have checked his site first. I went looking on the bioenergetic search engine for interviews where he mentioned honey and iodine versus iodide, but only got as far as honey—I get sidetracked easily with the interviews. lol



I know, right? If I’m not mistaken, that’s roughly the amount of potassium in 8 medium sized bananas. Personally, I’d much rather have honey than bananas. I guess I’ll just have to eat even more of it to ensure I’m getting a lot of potassium. Darn. :D

i asked Peat about differentiating between iodide and iodine and he said
"No, I have never recommended several milligram doses of iodide, and I have often pointed out the damage to the thyroid gland that even moderate iodide supplements can cause"
"Used occasionally as a topical antiseptic, tincture of iodine is safe. Historically iodide has been used to treat a breast infection. That’s very different from the cult of daily use of large amounts of iodide, started by Guy Abraham."
"If someone had leprosy, scrofula, syphilis or unexplained granulomas and couldn’t get appropriate things such as penicillin, then a short trial of iodine wouldn’t be crazy. Medical use can’t be extrapolated to chronic large doses as a nutritional supplement. Have you seen the many studies of the hamful effects on the thyroid of regular iodide supplementation?"

Nope. Iodide (in the form of SSKI) has historically been taken in gram-sized quantities, daily, with no adverse effects. Albert Szent-Györgyi took 750mg daily for decades and lived to a ripe old age. Peat has cautioned against excessive iodine (I2), but has spoken favorably of iodide (I-).

From "The transparency of life: Cataracts as a model of age-related disease":

Peat does not approve of even several milligram doses of iodide, I can't find the email now but I think he said something about Gyorgi not taking megadoses of iodide, that it is just modern day people misinterpreting his work and statements on it. he's expressed severe caution on supplementing both iodide and iodine mate, limiting it to just 200 to 300mcg daily from diet and supplements.
 

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