38 Male UK. Tired Of Being Like The Walking Dead

[Nigel Forester]

Today I’ve just laid in bed sleeping or staring at wall or resting with eyes closed with very little going on in my head.

that’s all I want to do, it’s where I’m most comfortable.

I also have a slight restless legs. I lay in bed voluntarily twitching my legs as it gives me some comfort. I know people with dopamine issues do that sort of thing. Bizzare!

Look into low dose naltrexone. I used it to recover from opioid use disorder. Before I tried it I couldn’t stay off drugs for long periods because I never felt much better. Shortly after taking my first dose of LDN i felt much better and started my process of long term recovery.


Fursultiamime is a b1 vitamin which has dopamine / motivation effects too

 

[Diddleum]

So I’ve put on about 4kg in weight since eating more, have attached a pic. The weight appears to be water weight into my muscles as my glycogen stores fill up I guess. Not done any exercise mostly inactive.

generally feel worse than eating less.

 

[Diddleum]

Soo average day or two, averaged a bit better. Saw girlfriend and didn’t have sex so I’m 8 days since the big o.

more exciting (sad what gets me excited these days) is cabergoline just come in the post. It’s a generic from alldaychemist so hope it’s legit.
gonna do 0.25 twice a week to start with.

12:00 - Just popped my first 0.25mg on a empty stomach.

 

[Kingpinguin]

Today I’ve just laid in bed sleeping or staring at wall or resting with eyes closed with very little going on in my head.

that’s all I want to do, it’s where I’m most comfortable.

I also have a slight restless legs. I lay in bed voluntarily twitching my legs as it gives me some comfort. I know people with dopamine issues do that sort of thing. Bizzare!

Sounds like an iron issue honestly. I’ve mentioned it several times to you. Low iron equalls low dopamine and its a leading cause for fatigue, restless legs etc. I had al the symptoms you complain about before I took irom. Ferritin test is not reliable. Go get a full iron panel, serum-iron, serum transferrin, tf saturation, ferritin, hemoglobin etc.
You can also try buying 25mg iron bisglycinate. Take one in the morning and one in the evening. If it actually is a hidden iron deficiency problem you should feel different within 1-2 weeks of doing this.

 

[Kingpinguin]

Soo average day or two, averaged a bit better. Saw girlfriend and didn’t have sex so I’m 8 days since the big o.

more exciting (sad what gets me excited these days) is cabergoline just come in the post. It’s a generic from alldaychemist so hope it’s legit.
gonna do 0.25 twice a week to start with.

12:00 - Just popped my first 0.25mg on a empty stomach.

if you decide to use iron I would not use it right now will you just started caber. Then you wont be able to tell whats doing what. Use caber for awhile. If the dopamine boost works and improves you I still think the underlying problem could be an iron deficiency. Iron deficiency shown to also increase prolactin.

 

[Diddleum]

Sounds like an iron issue honestly. I’ve mentioned it several times to you. Low iron equalls low dopamine and its a leading cause for fatigue, restless legs etc. I had al the symptoms you complain about before I took irom. Ferritin test is not reliable. Go get a full iron panel, serum-iron, serum transferrin, tf saturation, ferritin, hemoglobin etc.
You can also try buying 25mg iron bisglycinate. Take one in the morning and one in the evening. If it actually is a hidden iron deficiency problem you should feel different within 1-2 weeks of doing this.

Thanks, I will order it. Have never tried supplementing iron. I tried giving blood a few times with no definite effects either way.

interesting that coffee affects iron absorption. Coffee messes me up for a irregular amount of time....

 

[Diddleum]

Brightened up a little last night. Had some nightly erections (haven’t had any recently), felt a bit better on waking.

no major change after taking carbogoline first dose. But I’ve read it can take some time. No side effects either.

 

[Diddleum]

Some good news! And reason to be optimistic!

had a real good day. Felt bright, cleaned and tidied house whilst listening to music. I felt positive. Went round parents house and socialised with my family easily. Felt confident and relaxed.

came home and got into bed and had a different crotch feeling. I gently stimulated myself and got a decent lasting erection with no fantasy! This hasn’t happened in years do something is definately happening.

Either the cabergoline or that I started kuinone at the same time. Couldn’t resist I know I shouldn’t try things together but I’m desperate and most things don’t work.

Ive tapered off arimidex and haven’t taken it she’s it preg for a few days now as I wasn’t getting anywhere.

so my only supps are cabergoline and vitamin k atm.

pretty sure it’s caber. It’s a similar sequence of events of when I did mucuana (l dopa). I hope it stays and keeps improving.

I also feel notably hungry this evening.

 

[Diddleum]

Not as good as yestarday but still better then normal. Laying in bed doing nothing isn’t as easy, I have more interest in life.

My first dose on Saturday wil be slowly weakening I guess. My second dose tomorrow will be telling. With a sixty hour half life, cabergoline levels must build up in the body for the first few weeks before levelling off.

 

[Diddleum]

Feel my normal crappy self today. Despite taking my dose of carbogoline, despite eating loads.

:-( :-( :-(

 

[Diddleum]

Another crappy day, nothing good to say. Laid in bed all day.

getting my iron supplement tomorrow will give it a go. My symptoms match low iron - fatigue, brain fog, restless legs, shortness of breath.

I feel worse when I drink coffee or alcohol both can lower iron.

looking at my journal - I may of been better avoiding dairy (calcium) which blocks iron. Hmmmm

 

[Diddleum]

Perhaps my mood is a little better, unsure. First sunshine of spring is coming in so might just be that.

got my iron bi tabs. Don’t hate me but I’m gonna try supplementing for a few weeks and see what happens.
No coffee and minimum dairy as well.

 

[Diddleum]

I get post exertion malaise (pem) can feel crap for days after exerting myself physically.

pem is thought to be caused by excessive lactate production.

iron deficiency increases lactate production and glycosis literature seems to suggest it inhibits the ability to properly oxidise glucose.

Lactic Acidosis as a Result of Iron Deficiency

 

[Vinny]

I get post exertion malaise (pem) can feel crap for days after exerting myself physically.

pem is thought to be caused by excessive lactate production.

iron deficiency increases lactate production and glycosis literature seems to suggest it inhibits the ability to properly oxidise glucose.

Lactic Acidosis as a Result of Iron Deficiency

I also get PEM, but never connected it with iron deficiency. Interesting

 

[Diddleum]

Crap this morning, I slept heavy. Woke got up eat some grapes on couch and got awful pots dizzyness when standing. Feel anxious and edgy worse than the rest of the week.

Reasons
Kuinone (been going pretty heavy with it, did three drops yestarday. Suspect it’s causing anxiety. Will stop it for a while and restart at low dose maybe)

cabergoline took a double dose (0.5mg) yestarday. I’ll go back to low dose. No erections of libido or anything notable as yet.

iron - I’m very aware I might make my issues worse by supplementing iron. But my symptoms match so well as low iron. I will keep going and see. If things get worse on it then it might be beneficial for me to deplete iron heavily as my ferritin is quite high compared to the healthy numbers being put around the forum (mines 220).

keep plodding on

 

[Nigel Forester]

Feel my normal crappy self today. Despite taking my dose of carbogoline, despite eating loads.

:-( :-( :-(

are you doing any thinking, visualizing, about what you want to do, where you want to be, plans, goals? Maybe the

Crap this morning, I slept heavy. Woke got up eat some grapes on couch and got awful pots dizzyness when standing. Feel anxious and edgy worse than the rest of the week.

Reasons
Kuinone (been going pretty heavy with it, did three drops yestarday. Suspect it’s causing anxiety. Will stop it for a while and restart at low dose maybe)

cabergoline took a double dose (0.5mg) yestarday. I’ll go back to low dose. No erections of libido or anything notable as yet.

iron - I’m very aware I might make my issues worse by supplementing iron. But my symptoms match so well as low iron. I will keep going and see. If things get worse on it then it might be beneficial for me to deplete iron heavily as my ferritin is quite high compared to the healthy numbers being put around the forum (mines 220).

keep plodding on

Wouldn’t eating red meats be a safer way to get iron?

 

[Diddleum]

are you doing any thinking, visualizing, about what you want to do, where you want to be, plans, goals? Maybe the


Wouldn’t eating red meats be a safer way to get iron?

Hello,

Yeah I’ve gone through large periods of my life meditating, counselling, positive thinking, tai chi, yoga, cbt loads of things. I’ve tried different jobs, voluntary work, singing. Never got anywhere.

Red meat is probably safer.

 

[Diddleum]

Cabergoline is doing absolutely zip for me. Might as well be a sugar pill. Didn’t even get a placebo with my high expectations!

I did have a good week last week which has got crappy again now near the end. I did get distracted from my iron supplement somewhat so I am going to focus on that moving forward and see if I can get them good feels back.

 

[Diddleum]

Iron supplementation hasn’t done anything for me. I tried 20-80mg over best part of a month and had no consistent success.

However I’d like your opinions on something else - I went to the doctors about something unrelated and he took my blood pressure. He told me I was pre-hypertensive. My blood pressure is always on the high side. It does run high on my fathers side and he takes drugs to lower it.

So I bought a bp monitor. My own readings were similar to what the doctor read at about 130/90. So I took it upon myself to get it down.

Over the last few weeks I’ve managed to get it down with light exercise, and trying a few things. As I write this message my bp is as low as 104/65! Bp jumps up and firm throughout the day so I’ve been taking it first thing in the morning when I wake for consistency whilst I’m still in bed with little movement before.

First thing this morning my bp is 98/64! That’s a massive drop in a few weeks from a daytime reading of 130/90.

I’m still narrowing down how I’ve caused this drop. I have eaten less again (feel better for it) but I’m 80% sure it’s massive variance is due to salt intake. And it’s not the direction your thinking!

It seems that the more salt I eat the lower my bp drops!

I noticed a raise a couple of days ago and had around 20g of salt the last two days as a test and I’m now getting my lowest ever readings. I actually feel weak tired and slight pots atm. I’m guessing my aldosterone has dropped right back now there is plenty of salt about. So I guess my system is adjusting to the massive change in bp.

High Aldosterone causes high bp. High aldosterone is strongly linked to depression and anxiety which can explain most of my symptoms.

so I’m going to keep working on my bp and it’s relationship to salt intake. I think it’ll take a few days to adjust.

any input or thoughts in this?

 

[Vinny]

Iron supplementation hasn’t done anything for me. I tried 20-80mg over best part of a month and had no consistent success.

However I’d like your opinions on something else - I went to the doctors about something unrelated and he took my blood pressure. He told me I was pre-hypertensive. My blood pressure is always on the high side. It does run high on my fathers side and he takes drugs to lower it.

So I bought a bp monitor. My own readings were similar to what the doctor read at about 130/90. So I took it upon myself to get it down.

Over the last few weeks I’ve managed to get it down with light exercise, and trying a few things. As I write this message my bp is as low as 104/65! Bp jumps up and firm throughout the day so I’ve been taking it first thing in the morning when I wake for consistency whilst I’m still in bed with little movement before.

First thing this morning my bp is 98/64! That’s a massive drop in a few weeks from a daytime reading of 130/90.

I’m still narrowing down how I’ve caused this drop. I have eaten less again (feel better for it) but I’m 80% sure it’s massive variance is due to salt intake. And it’s not the direction your thinking!

It seems that the more salt I eat the lower my bp drops!

I noticed a raise a couple of days ago and had around 20g of salt the last two days as a test and I’m now getting my lowest ever readings. I actually feel weak tired and slight pots atm. I’m guessing my aldosterone has dropped right back now there is plenty of salt about. So I guess my system is adjusting to the massive change in bp.

High Aldosterone causes high bp. High aldosterone is strongly linked to depression and anxiety which can explain most of my symptoms.

so I’m going to keep working on my bp and it’s relationship to salt intake. I think it’ll take a few days to adjust.

any input or thoughts in this?

Very interesting.
My BP is often in the 130/90 range.
I relate it to inflamation due to some kind of infection, but never thought about Aldosterone being the culprit. Will defly try the salt thing!
However, sorry for my ignorance, but can someone enlighten me, for what most possible reason Aldo would be elevated?
Thanks