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1 Year Low Carb Intervention Cured 60% Of Patients From Diabetes

Discussion in 'Scientific Studies' started by rei, Mar 1, 2019.

  1. rei

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    A fairly recent study demonstrating how low carb can cure diabetes in 60% of patients.

    Effectiveness and Safety of a Novel Care Model for the Management of Type 2 Diabetes at 1 Year: An Open-Label, Non-Randomized, Controlled Study. - PubMed - NCBI

    This + the fasting study showing the same in my opinion prove it is not the FFA that cause insulin resistance and diabetes, it is overstimulation of insulin that does. Like all neurotransmitters and hormones, also insulin obeys the same rules of resistance when overactivated.
     
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    They had weight loss, and may experience a rebound.
     
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    I agree with this through a personal experience.
     
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    Then every starch centered culture on earth should have a high incidence of diabetes - they don't. I mean, we had this discussion a hundred times already - there is no evidence that carbohydrate intake or insulin stimulation cause insulin resistance or diabetes. The study has an extremely weak study design. I just had a quick look at it, but it seems they didn't measure calorie intake, macro and micro nutrient intake etc. They just told people to eat to achieve ketosis, take some magnesium and omega-3, and then send them off.
     
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    It is not cured: it is controlled. Eat sugar and see if it is cured. Low fat cures it.
     
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    Low blood sugar, doesn't mean there isn't insulin resistance. A low carber blames sugar for diabetes because when they eat sugar they realize their serum glucose elevates. All that really proves is their body isn't metabolizing the sugar properly, due to the free fatty acids. I recommend looking up the glucose/fatty acid cycle, it explains the topic. Their presumptions are usually always predicated on the idea that fat is the superior energy source. However we know that's not exactly true. It's kind of funny how and where we draw the lines based on our individual view points. For instance, most low carbers don't buy into the idea that saturated fat and cholesterol causes heart disease. They believe the body is more complex then that simpleton answer. But if you ask them the same question about dietary carbohydrate, all the suddenly the simpleton answer of dietary glucose causes diabetes fits the narrative.
     
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    They frequently get cured as evident from the dropping hba1c.

    I believe the biggest problem is bread, pasta and rice which has 2x the insulin index of glucose. A 150g medium portion of white rice makes same problem as 300g sugar
     
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    I think the issue is when your body tries to use two substrates of energy in large amounts you run into issues. The major debate is whether or not we should be eating mostly fat or mostly carbohydrate. There's going to be small variations between individuals based on the fact everyone's metabolic rate is different. But I think it becomes hard to defend a high fat diet when we realize the hit it has on the metabolism and thyroid. Also there's the fact doctors used fructose therapy to treat diabetes before the invention of supplemental insulin, which Ray has wrote and talked about. So sugar went from being a cure for diabetes in the early 20th century to now it's the public enemy number one. Something doesn't add up here, unless we factor in the profit motive of industries.
     
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    metformin also drops blood sugar, is diabetes cured? nope.
     
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    A load of bollocks!
    Yes I know people who cured diabetes by having a partial gastrectomy. They eat less = lower BSL = cure.
    But this is fantasy. Lowering blood sugar by lowering carbohydrate intake is not actually curing anything. They still can not metabolise glucose, so as soon as it is reintroduced the diabetes magically reappears. NOT cured. They still metabolize FFA preferentially and will still have a reduced lifespan with higher incidence of all disease mortality.
     
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    From what I’ve understood chronic inflammation seems to be major cause for diabetes and most other autoimmune disorders. There’s several different reasons for chronic inflammation and metabolic problems. I think inflammation can interfere with the bodies metabolic processes and dysfunction of metabolic processes can cause inflammation. It’s a vicious cycle of eating wrong foods, high PUFA, low nutrient and also eating opposite of what you need depending on the state your body is in. Everyone has different foundations and the route to better health ain’t always the same. But look at india and diabetes. Even though they eat lots of healthy spices that’s supposed to lower blood glucose and control diabetes their diabetes and dementia aswell are skyrocketing. They consume high PUFA now a days. Specially since they switched out GHEE butter in cooking to cheaper vegetable oils they cook over high heat. On top of that fast food consumption is growing quickly in india. And sugar has never been a staple in their diet so can’t be the sugar. It’s the inflammation. Eating anti-metabolic inflammatory foods. In general 100 years ago or more autoimmune disease was quite rare. Now it’s very common since we invented pressing canola for the oil. We’re making oil from flowers and their small seeds. Thats very unnatural to find or ingest even a tablespoon of canola oil in nature. How many rapeseed seeds would you have to eat naturally? And would they even be digestable? Probably meant to be pooped out like other seeds to spread the plant. Not press them and consume their oil content. Its so obvious since our health went to the crapper after we started putting it in everything.
     
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    how can anybody not know the difference between "then" and "than"?
     
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    Honest mistake, no big deal. Doesn't change the narrative of my comment any, people still got it I think. I have a bad habit of never proof reading anything I type.
     
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    Had to double check the web page to make sure I wasn’t in a YouTube comment section...
     
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    Dr. Mcdougall must be fuming at the seams at all this high fat talk.
     
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    The Hyperlipid has a very interesting idea on how this occurs using FADH2/NADH ratios. Basically, eating mixed diets (especially PUFA) can be bad and cause diabeetus.

    If I recall, using the high carb low fat diet cured 60%, made 15% worse, and made no difference on the rest. Whereas on high fat low carb everyone improved in variable amounts. If I had the beetus, I would do low carb.

    I don't agree that low carb will always cause low thyroid. I certainly believe it can but it depends on a bunch of other factors. Ketosis long term is a different story however.
     
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    I improved on low carb high fat, mainly animal and coconut and my A1c went down but after a year or so things began to go wrong. Insulin resistance got worse. My thyroid began to fail and I was craving carbs. I developed gall stones and pancreatitis.

    So I went plant based and again showed good results for about a year then my thyroid began to show signs of distress again,
     
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    Perhaps you could have just increased carbs a tiny bit for better thyroid function.
     
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    The gall stones were a big problem.
     
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    Hemoglobin a1c is a marker of sugar content in the blood over an extended period of time. The fact that it dropped means that the blood sugar was at a decent level over a period of time (generally a few months). To say that people were cured because theyre blood sugar was low and theyre hba1c was in range is akin to saying that someone is healthy once you cut out thier cancers because thier tumor is gone....

    The primary issue of diabetes is an inability of the cell to oxidize sugar. The Blood sugar content and hba1c are a feature of this issue, not the cause. The free fatty acids are a feature of this issue not neccesarily the cause. The high insulin levels are a feature of this issue not the cause. Lab values are often associative at best and depend on context. The real cause, atleast from my point of view lies at the cellular level with the oxidation of the sugar. Figure out whats causing the issue at the cellular level i.e. a combination of bacterial products, pufa, allergenic foods, excess iron and adjust from there. I doubt that saturated fats, animal proteins, or sugar from fruits causes diabetes anymore than water does...

    Besides the true test of curing diabetes is having a diabetic eat carbohydrates and be able to consistently maintain thier blood sugar without drugs and insulin. If theyre not doing that, theyre managing thier symptoms at best.
     
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