Ray Peat Interview March 23 2022 - One Radio Network

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His contradictions are mind blowing at this point. How can anyone trust or believe anything he says? I was of the mindset that starch was literal poison. If you eat it you'll get starch particles lodged in your arteries and if you don't die of cancer you'll have a stroke. Also his 30 cups of coffee comment is dangerous and has always bothered me.
He says progesterone cream is not absorbed and yet I use onas cream and have had a way better reaction to it and it has helped me in numerous ways, in comparison to progest e. Onas has helped lower my blood pressure and heart rate after using a few jars of it topically over the last couple of months. Before that I was using two to three bottles of progest e per week and was feeling nothing from it.
He also says that bacteriophages are safe and they have nearly killed me. I'm 2.5 years out and still trying to recover.
Carrots have starch, orange juice has beta carotene, butter and olive oil have PUFA. There is no food found in practical settings that are absolutely free of potentially damaging substances. This is why he prepares foods in specific ways, like eating carrots with fat. It depends on the context.
 

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His contradictions are mind blowing at this point. How can anyone trust or believe anything he says? I was of the mindset that starch was literal poison. If you eat it you'll get starch particles lodged in your arteries and if you don't die of cancer you'll have a stroke. Also his 30 cups of coffee comment is dangerous and has always bothered me.
He says progesterone cream is not absorbed and yet I use onas cream and have had a way better reaction to it and it has helped me in numerous ways, in comparison to progest e. Onas has helped lower my blood pressure and heart rate after using a few jars of it topically over the last couple of months. Before that I was using two to three bottles of progest e per week and was feeling nothing from it.
He also says that bacteriophages are safe and they have nearly killed me. I'm 2.5 years out and still trying to recover.
Over time I start to understand Peat as a defender of balance, a counter to what he considers long-held nutritional dogma at times. A defender of sucrose, of dairy, of coffee, of salt for example. When asked, I doubt he would consider a diet of 50% coffee and 50% salt as healthy, but rather is acting as a counter balance or reminder that these foods exist in human culture for a reason. For me, this is the same for starch, which to most people needs no introduction or sales pitch as it is the staple food for civilizations across the globe throughout history. What Peat eats himself (for example, I remember a time when he said the only starch he would eat is masa harina, nixtamalized) is different, as I suspect he is constantly reading research and testing ideas on himself. His pillars of nutrition have stood true throughout his tenure, and I actually consider him extremely consistent over time, and I understand that living involves... time, process, and lots of mistakes... :). If Peat has a flaw, it may be that he underestimates his reach, or the power his words have on those who implement his research - Im not sure hes asking for this responsibility, though.
 

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We all change our opinions on things as we grow/live. It’s part of the human experience.

Ray Peat is a guru for some and so they have too much invested in what he says, following every word down to the last detail... Take what you want and discard the rest. Ray is brilliant but he isn’t a god....
 

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whoever is criticising Ray for contradicting himself hasn’t a clue
 
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Peat has always said well cooked oats are fine. I think context is important. If someone has poor digestion/candida/fungal infection then it's probably not going to be a good idea to eat oats. Peat has always been high carb
 

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From what I've read on here it is cold/stale ungelatinized starch that is especially dangerous. When starch chains are cooked in a wet environment they saturate with water and unravel/ "gelatinize", allowing your digestive enzymes to cut them up and greatly limits persorption. It essentially becomes sugar. When prepared properly, starches are good sources of carbs and economical. However, they can also be dangerous if prepared incorrectly. Eating them hot and fresh is important.
 

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Todos cambiamos nuestras opiniones sobre las cosas a medida que crecemos/vivimos. Es parte de la experiencia humana.

Ray Peat es un gurú para algunos y por eso han invertido demasiado en lo que dice, siguiendo cada palabra hasta el último detalle... Toma lo que quieras y desecha el resto. Ray es brillante pero no es un dios....
So where is the plausibility? If you say one thing today and say another tomorrow, you only show that you know nothing.



A forum user had asked him about PUFAs and how they are great sources of energy because the body burns them off so quickly. Ray Peat then replied that if a person is not under stress, he can use PUFA as a source of energy.



Ray Peat is full of contradictions and I think Haidut and Danny have picked up on that in interviews. Danny had asked him about red light because Ray said it was very beneficial, but he changed his mind and said that red light might speed up cancer and only natural light is beneficial because it's broad spectrum. Danny was amazed because he was using red light bulbs and his face didn't look too happy.

Todos cambiamos nuestras opiniones sobre las cosas a medida que crecemos/vivimos. Es parte de la experiencia humana.

Ray Peat es un gurú para algunos y por eso han invertido demasiado en lo que dice, siguiendo cada palabra hasta el último detalle... Toma lo que quieras y desecha el resto. Ray es brillante pero no es un dios....
 
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One reason he probably likes oats, since oats contain the oat bran, and he is no a fan of endotoxin:
 

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Entonces, ¿dónde está la credibilidad? Si dices una cosa hoy y mañana dices otra, solo demuestras que no sabes nada.

Un usuario del foro le había preguntado sobre los PUFA y cómo eran excelentes fuentes de energía porque el cuerpo los quemaba muy rápido. Luego, Ray Peat respondió que si una persona no está bajo estrés, puede usar PUFA como fuente de energía.

Ray Peat está lleno de contradicciones y creo que Haidut y Danny se han dado cuenta de eso en las entrevistas. Danny le había preguntado sobre la luz roja porque Ray dijo que era muy beneficiosa, pero cambió de opinión y dijo que la luz roja podría acelerar el cáncer y que solo la luz natural es beneficiosa porque es de amplio espectro. Danny estaba asombrado porque estaba usando bombillas de luz roja y su rostro no se veía muy feliz.
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Thanks. So you just blindly follow everything he says then? No criticism at all. That seems intelligent.
Intelligent people contradict themselves because they are always learning and evolving, reflecting, thinking, not afraid to contradict or change their mind but the culture likes to shame and ridicule people for doing it, many people won’t contradict themselves in fear of loss of reputation, position, money etc and end up with cognitive dissonance.

If Ray never contradicted himself, he never would have learnt what he has and arrived where he is.

This is part of the reason why we are in this big mess is because scientists, medical experts, industry and institutions won’t contradict themselves.

I don’t folllow anyone blindly and its good to criticise ideas but not criticise the person for changing their mind.
 

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So where is the plausibility? If you say one thing today and say another tomorrow, you only show that you know nothing.



A forum user had asked him about PUFAs and how they are great sources of energy because the body burns them off so quickly. Ray Peat then replied that if a person is not under stress, he can use PUFA as a source of energy.



Ray Peat is full of contradictions and I think Haidut and Danny have picked up on that in interviews. Danny had asked him about red light because Ray said it was very beneficial, but he changed his mind and said that red light might speed up cancer and only natural light is beneficial because it's broad spectrum. Danny was amazed because he was using red light bulbs and his face didn't look too happy.
Ray was talking about the use of only the red part of the spectrum possibly being bad (aka Red LED's) and that incandescent bulbs are good because they have mostly red light and have a wide spectrum. That's what I heard from the interview you are talking about.
 
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So where is the plausibility? If you say one thing today and say another tomorrow, you only show that you know nothing.



A forum user had asked him about PUFAs and how they are great sources of energy because the body burns them off so quickly. Ray Peat then replied that if a person is not under stress, he can use PUFA as a source of energy.



Ray Peat is full of contradictions and I think Haidut and Danny have picked up on that in interviews. Danny had asked him about red light because Ray said it was very beneficial, but he changed his mind and said that red light might speed up cancer and only natural light is beneficial because it's broad spectrum. Danny was amazed because he was using red light bulbs and his face didn't look too happy.
Ray Peat has many times specified that he uses incandescent light like brooder lamps. Danny was using incandescent light in that interview.
 

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So where is the plausibility? If you say one thing today and say another tomorrow, you only show that you know nothing.



A forum user had asked him about PUFAs and how they are great sources of energy because the body burns them off so quickly. Ray Peat then replied that if a person is not under stress, he can use PUFA as a source of energy.



Ray Peat is full of contradictions and I think Haidut and Danny have picked up on that in interviews. Danny had asked him about red light because Ray said it was very beneficial, but he changed his mind and said that red light might speed up cancer and only natural light is beneficial because it's broad spectrum. Danny was amazed because he was using red light bulbs and his face didn't look too happy.
It’s funny because people take what he says and turn it into some rigid system and take it all black and white and all serious and Ray actually answers things in a nuanced way and depending on the context which challenges the rigidness but the biggest thing is that Ray is very cautious about what he believes is safe to endorse which seems sensible and he appears take responsibility for what he says because he doesn’t want any harm done to anyone.
 

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I think it's awesome how Ray at 86 years age is still experimenting. Did he say that the low protein diet was good for reducing cortisol and it made him "livelier"? He sounded very good on this podcast... I also want to try out the low protein diet now!

What are you supposed to eat though? A plate of steamed potatoes with nothing else?

I am eating a big bowl of oatmeal with milk and honey every morning now so I got that meal covered.
I thought he sounded different, too. His responses were quicker and to the point and his voice sounded better.

I've been using a lot of rice noodles lately and also grinding oats in my blender and making flour, which I then make pancakes out of. I've been much warmer since I cut back on the meat and increased starch. I thought it was interesting that I naturally did that over the winter, and then he said that in the interview. Fruit just isn't appealing to me in these northern winters!
 
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What do you think Dr. Peat considers "low protein"? He has often talked about the military study that said even desk job people need a minimum of 100 grams of protein.
He says at the end of this interview, he is trying to get it down to as close to 50 grams if possible for the low methionine.
 

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He says at the end of this interview, he is trying to get it down to as close to 50 grams if possible for the low methionine.
I think this is why gelatin is so healthy, being so low in methionine, cysteine and tryptophan, enabling higher protein so as to protect bone but without the aging or anti-metabolic effects of higher protein diets
 
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I think this is why gelatin is so healthy, being so low in methionine, cysteine and tryptophan, enabling higher protein so as to protect bone but without the aging or anti-metabolic effects of higher protein diets
I was just thinking why doesn't he increase gelatin to keep the protein intake up?
 
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I interpreted his comments on red light a bit differently. I didn't hear that he thought red light was dangerous, just that a single wavelength could potentially be. He has said many times in older interviews on ORN that lights that best immitate natural sunlight are best.

What one has to keep in mind is that Dr. Peat often gives different answers in his interviews with Timpone than he would with Danny and Georgi, for example. The listeners on the former come from all different backgrounds and are often unfamiliar or very superficially familiar with Peat's work, while the latter podcast was inspired by Peat's work and the audience is familiar with it. Due to Peat's anti-authoritarian approach to health and nutrition he doesn't say things like "No, don't eat that. Eat this instead". When a listener on Timpone's podcast or Timpone himself asks him about things that aren't really considered "peaty", he accepts that as a basis and tries to find solutions in that context. This can sometimes seem like he thinks positive about something even though he probably doesn't think it is positive in general.
 

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What do you think Dr. Peat considers "low protein"? He has often talked about the military study that said even desk job people need a minimum of 100 grams of protein.
He said hes doing 60 grams.
Starts around 1:35:40
 

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