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Name: Danny Roddy: Talking with Ray Peat 1 Generative energy podcast
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DR: Hello everybody. Today I’m talking with painter-philosopher-biologist Raymond Peat. We will talk about his interest in nutrition, and his latest newsletter titled “Mushrooms, observations and interpretations”. As always, please do your own research and come to your own conclusions: in the spirit of William Blake, “The true method of knowledge is experiment”.
Ray, I was trying to put a timeline together of when you graduated with your degree in linguistics, and then Blake College. So if you could talk about that, I think it would be great.

RP: Ok. I got my bachelor’s degree at Sothern’s Oregon College, 1956. And then I worked into the woods for a while, and got a job teaching. First I studied at the University of Oregon, 1957 and 1958, starting in the English department. Then switched to philosophy and psychology. After about one or two terms in each department, I decided I couldn’t stay to finish a masters in that area. Even tried the art’s history. And during this time, I was looking around for some program that would let me integrate all of these areas. And it looked like linguistics would allow me to bring together what the brain is doing when it speaks and thinks. Every time you reach a word that seems appropriate, you’re putting that word into a new context that never existed before. So, really, every active communication is a creative invention. And it seemed to me that the approach to how consciousness works would be possible through analyzing language. And I’ve found that Ohio State University had a Ph.D. program that they called the Interdepartmental Linguistics Committee that would grant a Ph.D. on the basis of interdepartmental language studies. So, since that seemed just what I wanted to do, I applied there and looked for a job to support myself nearby. And a little Swedenborgian University or College was called Urbana University, founded in 1859 by Swedenborgians, a friend of Johnny Appleseed, I think it was. And they had a really good hundred year old library. So, the Ohio State library wasn’t accessible: you had to put in an order, and then wait for the book to come. So, it was essentially useless. But I enrolled in English, Russian, and philosophy department courses there. And meanwhile, did most of my studying and thinking at the Urbana College. What I was teaching at Urbana was “Introduction to biology intended for physics majors” (I think that was how it was described). And the President of the College said he wanted a non-technical approach to the subject to let the students be able to understand current magazines and newspapers articles in their field. And at that time, 1959 and 1960, most interest in current science topics were in the radiation effects, biological effects of the radioactive fallout from atmospheric bomb testing, and the development of computers. So, I built a course largely around how to interpret the biological effects of radiation in the most general sense. And how information works in the organism, analogous to how information is handled in computers. And because of the physics part of my curses, the conservative priest, who was head of the board of directors, didn’t like the students asking questions about how safe is atmospheric bomb testing. So they went looking for a new biology teacher, and had Leo Koch come in from the University of Illinois as a prospective replacement for me. And he chose to give his lecture at Urbana on the dangers of radiation and the biological effects of atmospheric bomb testing. So, he was discarded as a possible replacement *chuckles*. And within a week or two, he lost his job at the University of Illinois too. *chuckles*. So, I realized that, even though they hadn’t told me, I wasn’t going to have a job the next year ( I realized [it] when he wasn’t hired, and in fact got fired at Illinois) and that I would have to look for another job. So that started me thinking about organizing a College that would be run by the students and teachers jointly without any priests, or boards of directors, and such.



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RP: But then just two or three months - what year was the Tonkin Gulf Incident, 1964?

DR: I just had it up, I can bring it up - 1964

RP: Yes, that was around the time Madalyn Murray came, and just about a week before that incident, a uniformed - American uniform - which was illegal in Mexico at that time - this guy came to our new location Valle de Bravo, which it's a fancy resport area for Mexico City people, but we had a very nice ancient hotel building, which was bigger and more comfortable than the one in Mexico City, and cheaper.

This guy identified himself as the military attache of the embassy, and he had private interviews with me and each of the students, asking us what our opinion was about the war in Vietnam. He asked what my theory [was] explaining the war, why the US would be at war with Vietnam. And that was before the Gulf of Tonkin.

DR: Were you, like, freaked out at all the attention that you were getting with the college, or did you just expect it to happen?

RP: No I wasn't aware of how totally covered with U.S. intelligence agents Mexico was at that time. Very shortly after the Mexico City visit from the cultural attache, a guy turned up looking for a job as an English teacher, and I said we had enough, but he enjoyed conversing about psychology and movies and such, and so he would come back, about every two or three days he would just drop in to visit. And all the time the school was there this American guy, very friendly and just enjoyed socializing. Years and years later his wife was on a visit to the U.S., and was drunk, and phoned me from New Orleans and asked if I wanted a girlfriend. She had someone travelling with her. I said no I had one, but how was Joe, what's he doing now? She said the "same as always", I said "what's that", she said "surveillance".

I think he was, he sort of became a double agent and kept me informed of what the government was doing, and steered me away from some things that could have been dangerous. But there were hard to....looking at it from a distance, it's hard to decide which of the people I knew there weren't government agents.

Madalyn Murray had a very organised thing working with the Embassy, to time the takeover for when I was going to be on the road driving to the U.S., to the job in Montana, and she was having a report given to the Embassy, to the federal police of Mexico, and to the English speaking newspapers about what was going on at Blake College. It didn't appear in the newspapers until I was on the road. I had left a Mexican Professor who, he had offered to help get Madalyn political asylum in Mexico. He was called Lombardo Toledano's left hand. He was the secretary of the popular socialist party of Mexico, and so he had connections to the government for such things as getting political asylum. So he was starting the machinery to let Madalyn have residency in Mexico. But she, knowing that he was influential in the government, went to him and asked his participation with the embassy and federal police and all of those, to help her take over Blake College. So he came and told me what she was doing. So I had various sources keeping me informed of what was going on, but it didn't stop it from going on.

DR: They basically, like, framed the college to look like some kind of, like, drug lab?

RP: Yes, exactly. For example, the landlady of the hotel where the college was had a nice old german shepherd dog that had an ear infection - whoopic ear (?). One of the students who had been a druggie in the U.S. knew about injecting things, so he went and got a shot of penicillin, gave the dog a shot, and cured his infected ear. But the students who were organised under Madalyn told her that story, and she turned it into having drug orgies, giving morphine, even to the dog!

 

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And here is Part 6

DR: But your energy requirements being that high and suspecting that you're hypothyroid did you think the hyperthyroid state was the result of adrenalin, is that the right line of thinking?

RP: Well, I think of it as metabolic inefficiency, and the, um, I could tell that I evaporated water many times faster than other people. When I workd on a surveying crew, the crazy surveyor wanted us to work about 12-14 hours a day to catch up stuff that he had failed to do the prvious summer.

He just had us working furiously clearing a path right through the trees. I would refill two canteens every hour during the day, and I found that I couldn't urinate from breakfast time until after supper, even though I had drunk typically 12 litres of water during the day, I couldn't form any urine. And from that I could, during that time I was easily metabolising ten or twelve thousand calories per day.

DR: The inefficient, wasteful youth metabolism rather?

RP: Yes. When I first tried thyroid, for some odd reasoning made me want to try it in spite of being so hyper-metabolic, suddenly my metabolism slowed down, became more efficient, and I could be comfortable on three or four thousand calories a day.

DR: Was that in between 'Nutrition for women" and then "Generative energy"?

RP: Yes

DR: Did you experience health problems in between them?

RP: Um, no, nothing serious, occasional migraines. 1976 was when I first took thyroid and slowed my metabolism down and stopped having migraines. And then it was 1983 and I had started having not only migraines, but variations with artery inflammation and throbbing things equivalent to migraine but they could appear inside my mouth or nose, or right beside my eye. Very strange things, you could see them throbbing from the outside, and they were extremly painful. And the thyroid wasn't enough to do anything. That was when I accidentally, I was thinking that I was just using a vitamin E supplement, but it was a bottle of E I had experimented, trying it as a solvent for diffeent steroids, and it didn't seem to dissolve a significant amount of pregnenolone. So I had this bottle with the powder sitting in the bottle - in the bottom. When I was taking that thinking it was just vitamin E, I was in perfect health.

But when I came back, changed my luggage, happened to take a different vitamin E supply on another trip and that whole trip I was sick with the migraine equivalents, and when I got back I was so sick I was spending most of my time in bed. It dawned on me that there might have been something different about the different bottle of vitamin E, since that was the only change I had made. And I took a dab of that, well I guess I took plain pregnenolone just on the the thought that the vitamin E had contained some, and the pain completely stopped within several minutes. That was 1984 and the only time it recurred was 10 days later when I hadn't taken any more pregnenolone. So I immediately began taking pregnenolone, and the symptoms never recurred.

DR: You have, like, a famous picture in Generative Energy of a before and after of that, that's around the same time?

RP: Yes, yes.

DR: Were you always thinking about unsaturated fats, and their connection with pregnenolone and thyroid - has that been in the back of your head, or did you start taking it more seriously after "Nutrition for women", and in between "Generative energy", writing those books?

RP: Yes. Reading nutrition reviews there was this article about the, probably in the early 70's, the experiment feeding rats different quantities and different proportions of saturated and fatty acids, and the fatty acids produced obesity over a lifetime regardless of the quantity, and the saturated fats produced leanness regardless of the quantity. So a low-fat unsaturated diet made fat rats, and a high-fat saturated diet made lean rats. That convinced me that it was probably acting on the oxidative system, same thing thyroid works on. In my estrogen research for my dissertation I had seen the old 1940s they saw the polyunsaturated fats were causing both testicular and brain degeneration, and that vitamin E was an anti-estrogen as well as protecting against brain and testicular degeneration. So I had already been thinking of the toxic anti-metabolic effects of the unsaturated fats, but I hadn't really thought about putting it into practice until I saw that nutrition review article.

DR: The foods you originally thought of as, like, constructing a good diet, that was originally for low income people, to have a good diet, is that right?

RP: Yes, when I was in Mexico for myself as well other people I saw the effects of extreme malnutrition and living at times on 15 or 20 dollars a month for food.