Jordan Peterson Post-Recovery Interview

[mangoes]

He's also on a carnivore diet and most likely finasteride to maintain his hair, how else would his hair not keep going from being on carnivore, propecia and eating only beef all day, yeah that is a hell of a combination. You'd be goooonnnneee...

he had a hair transplant, no? looks like one to me

 

[mayweatherking]

he had a hair transplant, no? looks like one to me

Probably, most of them would require him to be on propecia though also as there isn't enough donor hair so that would prove it even more...

 

[Peater Piper]

Getting out of an SSRI seems almost as dreadful as getting out of a benzo. Didn't watch the interview yet, but curious to hear his opinion on SSRIs.

I was on SSRIs for well over a decade. The taper should be slow, no side effects should be experienced. If there's issues with the taper, either the person is lowering too fast or they have other health issues that need to be addressed, including the underlying reasons they started using SSRIs in the first place.

 

[GutFeeling]

I was on SSRIs for well over a decade. The taper should be slow, no side effects should be experienced. If there's issues with the taper, either the person is lowering too fast or they have other health issues that need to be addressed, including the underlying reasons they started using SSRIs in the first place.

Thank you.
He should have done the same with clonazepam, getting an oral solution and reducing 100mcg each week.

 

[Peater Piper]

Thank you.
He should have done the same with clonazepam, getting an oral solution and reducing 100mcg each week.

I was on low dose Clonazepam for a short time in the past as well and did the more traditional taper with my doctor (larger jumps, somewhat dependent on prescription doses available). I did have several adjustment periods where I had to remain at a dose while tremors and palpitations subsided, so I imagine it can be quite difficult for someone on a high dose for many years. But people on SSRIs report similar symptoms, and the major problem is that the prescription dosages available make the jumps too large. When I tapered from Cymbalta, I would open the capsules and dump out the the extended release pebbles contained within. I could then fill empty gel caps with my own dosage, allowing me to have more control over the taper and go as slow as I liked. Another option is to introduce Prozac while tapering from another SSRI. Prozac has a long half life, which makes tapering from it a little easier if the person isn't willing to, or can't customize the dosage of their other medication. Of course prednisolone, theanine, and other calming substances can be used as needed. Anyway, from the accounts of other people I've read, trying to taper only with the prescription doses available is a bad idea, and a skeptic might say it's by design. Withdrawal symptoms almost seem guaranteed with that approach. Obviously no matter the approach chosen, the underlying issues that prompted SSRI and/or benzo use must be addressed. Benzos and SSRIs at best mask symptoms, and those issues will still be there once off the meds.

 

[ruprmurdoch]

Please elaborate how the “liberal mainstream left” has promoted a society where men and women are in control of the means and activity of production and how they are producing only for themselves, instead of for others, with exchange and with reciprocity. How does main stream society constitute the “civil code” of the society, with the activity of production aimed at satisfying the needs of individuals, rather than an arrangement where the order of exchange gives way to the terror of debt.

western people mostly do not produce what they use. today western capitalism is not even based on production, it's based on financial manipulations, production money from money(thats why all THOSE families practice some strange rituals, beacuse they see themselves as alchemists who made something from nothing, but in fact they are just gangsters who should be in jail).
left mainstream(through institution march) produce society which can not produce what they use, and do not know where those goods come from. for example look at art sector. Marina Abramovich is considered as a artist, but she can really do ? Nothing. But she is promoted.

 

[LUH 3417]

western people mostly do not produce what they use. today western capitalism is not even based on production, it's based on financial manipulations, production money from money(thats why all THOSE families practice some strange rituals, beacuse they see themselves as alchemists who made something from nothing, but in fact they are just gangsters who should be in jail).
left mainstream(through institution march) produce society which can not produce what they use, and do not know where those goods come from. for example look at art sector. Marina Abramovich is considered as a artist, but she can really do ? Nothing. But she is promoted.

I agree with you on most of what you wrote but that is in no way part of “left culture”. Leftist artists in Mexico painted murals of people dancing and planting flowers and kissing and having babies. Realism is a result of leftism, of people seeing value in the material reality of their lives and thinking that human life is important enough to depict the so called mundane in through art. They didn’t have some ghost art performance Maria Satanic Ambramovic which is actually just a psyop posing as creativity.

 

[michael94]

today western capitalism is not even based on production, it's based on financial manipulations, production money from money(thats why all THOSE families practice some strange rituals, beacuse they see themselves as alchemists who made something from nothing, but in fact they are just gangsters who should be in jail).

 

[Soren]

He's also on a carnivore diet and most likely finasteride to maintain his hair, how else would his hair not keep going from being on carnivore, propecia and eating only beef all day, yeah that is a hell of a combination. You'd be goooonnnneee...

I don't think he is on finasteride his hair does seem to change but it does not always look good, sometimes it looks worse, I think it largely depends on how he styles it.

 

[Ableton]

he had a transplant, there are "before" pictures out there where he was like nw4
so yes, he is most likely on fin given that this is commonly required for having a transplant and his trust in pharma seems to be pretty high

 

[ruprmurdoch]

I agree with you on most of what you wrote but that is in no way part of “left culture”. Leftist artists in Mexico painted murals of people dancing and planting flowers and kissing and having babies. Realism is a result of leftism, of people seeing value in the material reality of their lives and thinking that human life is important enough to depict the so called mundane in through art. They didn’t have some ghost art performance Maria Satanic Ambramovic which is actually just a psyop posing as creativity.

the same ,,mexican" artists paint mural in i think detroit industry murals, sponsored by ,,american" family, in 1930's which central position have Trocki and Lenin- they did not paint Uncle Stalin, beacuse Stalin decide to build a state (they were more radical than Stalin, they were constant revolutionist, like neocons ). To build a state you need labour force. If people from 1917(revolution) to 1930's were demoralized institutionaly, they did not have abilities to work, they were more like animals, they pursue instincts. Mainly thats why Stalin have to force people to work(Gulag system etc)
Compare this to today western world. Education for children is Lgbtq, beacuse sexualization, during latency period means that child will not learn basic math, language,etc abilities which you need to work efficently. Thus you economy will fall. Of course normal education is for special groups(Manfred Spitzer talk,write about it)

 

[LUH 3417]

the same ,,mexican" artists paint mural in i think detroit industry murals, sponsored by ,,american" family, in 1930's which central position have Trocki and Lenin- they did not paint Uncle Stalin, beacuse Stalin decide to build a state (they were more radical than Stalin, they were constant revolutionist, like neocons ). To build a state you need labour force. If people from 1917(revolution) to 1930's were demoralized institutionaly, they did not have abilities to work, they were more like animals, they pursue instincts. Mainly thats why Stalin have to force people to work(Gulag system etc)
Compare this to today western world. Education for children is Lgbtq, beacuse sexualization, during latency period means that child will not learn basic math, language,etc abilities which you need to work efficently. Thus you economy will fall. Of course normal education is for special groups(Manfred Spitzer talk,write about it)

That made about 0 sense but ok

 

[Energizer]

Jordan Peterson, Transcendental Arguments, Atheism & Esoteric Hollywood - Jay Dyer

 

[Terma]

Every time, I can't begin to describe how much a waste has been reading posts by marxists on the internet over 2 decades. Why would you replace a completely corruptible corrupted system with another? False necessity - Wikipedia Total failure of imagination and I don't understand if someone sees value in anarcho-communism (libertarian socialism) and a biological view of human needs why they would pollute their own philosophy applying concepts of communism/socialism/marxism at a scale they're guaranteed to produce authoritarianism. Peterson doesn't understand the biological view and regardless of the associations made to discredit his stance and his whole person I still think his opinions hold more weight than someone rehashing the ussr which happens my ancestors escaped famine too. **** this is old.

 

[Energizer]

Every time, I can't begin to describe how much a waste has been reading posts by marxists on the internet over 2 decades. Why would you replace a completely corruptible corrupted system with another? False necessity - Wikipedia Total failure of imagination and I don't understand if someone sees value in anarcho-communism (libertarian socialism) and a biological view of human needs why they would pollute their own philosophy applying concepts of communism/socialism/marxism at a scale they're guaranteed to produce authoritarianism. Peterson doesn't understand the biological view and regardless of the associations made to discredit his stance and his whole person I still think his opinions hold more weight than someone rehashing the ussr which happens my ancestors escaped famine too. **** this is old.

Anarcho-communism isn't just political theory. It's a reality in some parts of the world (lookup Marinaleda) and it's a better alternative than capitalist oligarchy. I have nevertheless argued anarchism is the most reasonable, but there is a lot more resistance to its application by seeing communism and anarchism as distinct, when they have a lot more in common than not. Communists, so far as they would ally themselves with anarchists, could help achieve many common goals. Anarchists need all the help they can get, instead of seeing themselves as an island of political thought on the "left".

"Anarchism has produced nothing but general platitudes against exploitation. Anarchism is a product of despair. The psychology of the unsettled intellectual or the vagabond and not of the proletarian.

Vladimir Lenin, “Anarchism or Socialism?”

A meeting between V.I. Lenin and P. A. Kropotkin

"How glad I am to see you, Vladimir Ilyich! You and I have different views. We have different points of view about a whole series of problems, both as far as the execution and organisation is concerned, but our goals are the same and what you and your comrades are doing in the name of communism, pleases me very much and makes my already ageing heart happy. But now you are making life hard for the cooperatives and I am in favour of cooperatives!"

"But we are also in favour of them!", Vladimir Ilyich exclaimed loudly, "only we are opposed to cooperatives behind which kulaks, big landowners, merchants and private capital hide. We only want to tear off the mask of these pseudo-cooperatives and give the opportunity to big layers of the population to participate in a real cooperatives!"

"I do not want to dispute that," Kropotkin replied, "and where that is the case it obviously needs to be combated by all means, just as lies and mystification need to be combated everywhere. We do not need veils, we have to uncover every lie without mercy, but there in Dmitrov I have seen that more than once members of the cooperative are being persecuted who have nothing in common with those you were talking about a minute ago, and that is because the local authorities - who were perhaps the revolutionaries of yesterday - just like all other authorities have become bureaucratised, have been transformed into officials who wish to do with their subordinates whatever they want, and who think that the whole population is subordinate to them."

"We are always and everywhere against officialdom," Vladimir Ilyich said. "We are against bureaucrats and against bureaucracy, and we have to eradicate this ageing mess completely if it grows up in our new society; but surely you understand, Pyotr Alexeyevich, that it is very difficult to change people, since the most inaccessible fortress is surely - as Marx used to say - the human skull! We take all kinds of measures in order to be able to face this struggle, and life itself obviously teaches us a lot. Our lack of culture, our illiteracy, our backwardness are of course noticeable, but nobody can blame us, as a party, as a state power, for all that is going wrong in the institutions of power and much less for what happens far away somewhere in the countryside, at great distance from the centre of the country."

"Of course, that is no consolation for all those who are exposed to the exertion of power of that backward kind of authority," P.A. Kropotkin exclaimed, "and that authority in itself is already a terrible poison for anyone who exercises it."

"But there is nothing we can do about that," Vladimir Ilyich added, "you cannot make a revolution with velvet gloves. We know very well that we have made a great many mistakes and that we will make a great number of mistakes; everything that can be corrected we correct; we admit our mistakes and often our greatest stupidities. Despite all mistakes we are carrying our socialist revolution to a successful end. But please do help us, share all of the mistakes that you see with us, and rest assured that every one of us will look at it with the greatest attention."

"Neither me, nor anyone else," Kropotkin said, "will refuse to help you and your comrades wherever that is possible... We will tell you about all the mistakes that are happening, which cause loud groans in many places..."

"No groans, but screams from resisting counterrevolutionaries, whom we are and remain utterly opposed to..."

"Now you are saying that we cannot do without authority," thus Pyotr Alexeyevich started to theorise, "but in my opinion it is possible... You should see how such an anti-authoritarian beginning flares up. In England for example - I was just informed about this - dockworkers in one of the ports have established a wonderful, completely free cooperative, where workers of all other factories come and go. The cooperative movement is important to a great extent, yes, it is of the essence..."

As you can see it benefits all to see commonalities in terms of shared goals -- I believe many communists could see the utility of anarchism, communism is after all, at its core, egalitarianism. The pendantry and sophistry around Marxism-Leninism and communist movements is lost on the reality that they get stuff done. They're just more organized than your average anarchist. Though they also need to see that communism must be without hierarchy / governors for it to be an ideal system, so perhaps communists can be made aware that they can be both.

Imagine a society, comprising a few million inhabitants, engaged in agriculture and a great variety of industries—Paris, for example, with the Department of Seine-et-Oise. Suppose that in this society all children learn to work with their hands as well as with their brains. Admit that all adults... bind themselves to work 5 hours a day from the age of twenty or twenty-two to forty-five or fifty, and that they follow occupations they have chosen in any one branch of human work considered necessary. Such a society could in return guarantee well-being to all its members; that is to say, a more substantial well-being than that enjoyed to-day by the middle classes. And, moreover, each worker belonging to this society would have at his disposal at least 5 hours a day which he could devote to science, art, and individual needs which do not come under the category of necessities, but will probably do so later on, when man's productivity will have augmented, and those objects will no longer appear luxurious or inaccessible.

— Peter Kropotkin, The Conquest of Bread

 

[Terma]

Totally besides what I was trying to say, except for "a few million inhabitants" which points out the failure of imagination of top-down thinkers. Here's the example you were actually looking for: Native American Libertarian Socialism

 

[Energizer]

While I appreciate the link, I have mentioned the Ray quote of the successes of pre-literate societies in adopting anarchism multiple times, so I'm not really sure what your bone to pick is with what I said but either way, you could've done it without the attitude in presuming to know what I was "looking for." I don't subscribe to the elitism that only looks at things in one vein and that vein is the only way, I prefer to look at these things in different contexts.

 

[Terma]

I have no bone to pick with what you said, there's nothing there new to me either. See the problem? The problem is there are 500 million university students gravitating to marxist schools of thought right into authoritarian claws with absolutely no understanding of life, biology or their own value and Peterson is totally right about that, I've seen it day in day out.

 

[aussiebaldguy]

They really pump the meds...
Like two stoners talking about which weed is the best.

 

[Blossom]

New short video.