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redsun

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I'm sorry but aspirin is no more of a drug than zinc and ascorbic acid. It's a natural compound that's been chemically mimicked. All of them can be considered drugs, isolated chemicals/ substances that influence bodily chemistry. I understand things shouldn't be taken for no reason but aspirin has a long history of use, benefit and safety. I hear a lot of "because I said so" in your responses and that's very off putting. Very, how should I say, authoritarian.

Zinc in drug form such as in a pill is still zinc, an essential trace mineral. Aspirin is a drug by definition and is not required by the body. That is not hard to understand don't be silly. I even told OP I was hesistant for him to take zinc because of his low iron and it would be best to get more zinc from red meat and eating less oysters per sitting but more frequently.

You can use any nutrient like a drug by taking doses way beyond norm but don't ever say zinc is a drug like aspirin is a drug lol. Yes you can hurt yourself with too much zinc or even vitamin C, but these are nutrients that the body has an essential requirement for so arguments can be made for temporary use, especially in OPs case for extra zinc to help remedy his wasting type of hairloss.

Just because something is a "natural" compound does not mean it belongs in the human body. Like I said it messes with many systems. You are in a peat forum and you likely think the effects it has on these systems is inheritantly good and basically everyone here thinks everyone should be taking it so it is a typical response but its not. Why you would want to artificially screw with the prostaglandins and thromboxanes your body itself makes is beyond me but its the Peat forum so everyone is all for it.

I am not going to let someone, especially someone who is around my age, get wrapped up into it without at least trying to talk logically with him before the brigade comes. Best thing for OP to do is to take my advice and eat a very reasonable diet, get his minerals and protein and watch his hair grow back like nothing happened and not come back here and get caught all with taking all these peat supplements.

Aspirin is a drug. Taking zinc supplements at low doses for a short amount of time is not even comparable to taking an actual drug like aspirin or metergoline or all the others drugs this community likes to get wrapped with. Do not take drugs unless a true need is demonstrated and only temporary for as short a time as possible. And no just because aspirin is anti-inflammatory does not mean you need to take it because you have inflammation.

Aspirin will not cause any bleeding if you take K2 as well. And since it tackles the inflammation involved in hair loss you're not doing yourself any favour by not using it.

Balding is a often a sign of serious problems, so tackling it is not just about looks, it's about your vitality as a person. So stop focusing on looks and instead focus on your physiology, the rest will follow.

And the fact that you're low in iron is not at all a bad thing. Just eat liver once in a while and you'll be covered.

I would hardly call his type of hair loss inflammatory... This is likely telogen effluvium, aka thinning everywhere and hair follicles entering the telogen phase too early due to chronic stressors, poor diet overall but especially protein/mineral deficiencies, etc... Which reverses easily with time assuming protein and mineral intake is restored and a chronic stressor is remedied. Calories would also be vital to get enough as to not let stress compound.
 

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@redsun

Look man, you have a very unique and valuable, if at times narrow, perspective on health and recovery.

Yet, I can pull up a million references that explain how inflammation is always involved in any hair loss.

Aspirin is overwhelmingly safe and therapeutic, you can call it a drug all day long, yell it from the rooftops, it won't change those facts.

Your calls for OP to ''take your advice'' above all others feels a little off. It's not the first time I've read comments from you which dismiss Ray's ideas or this community as a whole, and I don't think you're going about it the right way.
 

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@redsun

Look man, you have a very unique and valuable, if at times narrow, perspective on health and recovery.

Yet, I can pull up a million references that explain how inflammation is always involved in any hair loss.

Aspirin is overwhelmingly safe and therapeutic, you can call it a drug all day long, yell it from the rooftops, it won't change those facts.

Your calls for OP to ''take your advice'' above all others feels a little off. It's not the first time I've read comments from you which dismiss Ray's ideas or this community as a whole, and I don't think you're going about it the right way.

Even if inflammation was involved in hair loss, the root cause of this hair loss is excessive stress, malnutrition, sometimes anemia and thyroid problems. If you fix the root cause, it will grow back.

Yeh I vehemently disagree and will continue to dismiss the reckless use of pharmaceuticals, hormones, and hormone derivatives that pervades a large majority in this forum. Dont even think Peat himself would like most of what he sees on here. I will never not tell an 18 year old he will only end up hurting himself by getting wrapped up into taking drugs.

How therapeutic a drug is means nothing to me. Amphetamines are therapeutic for narcoleptics, benzodiazepines are therapeutic for people with severe anxiety, and viagra is therapeutic for ED sufferers. This is not specific to aspirin. Just because something is therapeutic doesn't mean take it. At least the pros of treating narcolepsy are clearly outweighed by the cons of taking amphetamines instead of people going to the supermarket and self-prescribing themselves aspirin because the forum speaks so highly of it.
 

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@redsun

I've never argued for aspirin alone to solve hair loss. I just think it's an essential adjunct because it is cheap, safe and counters so many of the pathologies occurring in hair loss.
Our environments are so bad, that there is always great inadequacies why can trigger inflammatory processes. It has been tremendously helpful for me and countless others, and it can help deal with excessive stress, help digestion, and thyroid issues, all the things you've mentioned. It doesn't just work on inflammation. It is pro-hair in a myriad of ways, and Danny Roddy has presented the evidence for it before.

You are right that Ray would not associate himself with this forum, even with a 10-foot pole, but I've read dismissive comments from you several times referring specifically to Ray's ideas. It's fine, you're allowed to disagree, but it seems to be like in many ways, it's your way or the highway.

Using aspirin or progesterone is not "reckless", and you seem to be very quick to bundle together and discard the views of "the large majority of this forum". Yes this forum is full of confused, sick and tired individuals who don't necessarily think intelligently about aspirin or thyroid supplement, or even the ol' OJ and Milk "RP Diet". But it's also full of incredibly knowledgeable, insightful and helpful people.

I do not want to argue needlessly, but your tone strikes me as disrespectful, and I do not say this lightly, because you know I value your contribution. But people don't recommend aspirin merely because "the forum speaks so highly of it". The body of evidence supporting its use is growing literally every month, and I think the perspective you're trying to paint here is totally inaccurate.
 

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bro, you serious now man? fools prayin :praying: on my downfall already.
my avatar is not what im here to discuss tho

You are preying on your downfall... It is often like this; people happily seek expert help on everything except for what is truly plaguing them.
 
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You have yeast infection, the redness and flakiness shows, you need zinc. And cut back on the cane sugar and supplements aside from some zinc for a week and see how it goes.
I agree with this. Although this is very unpopular here and anti Peaty, I think you may be Vitamin A toxic. Too much Vitamin A depletes Zinc (and copper).
 

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I see the argument about aspirin going on here, one side saying it chelates minerals and another saying that it’s chemical analogue is encountered in many natural diets containing fruit.

The OP stated he was consuming 1g a day which may be excessive as the anti-inflammatory benefits can be had with as little as an 81mg baby aspirin pill.

The OP is also having what appears to be skin rashes, thrush, and extremely low ferritin which is a possible gut infection. Two experiments that showed that iron levels were low in cases of gut infection and became normal after administering antibiotic treatment. There are some infections that thrive on iron and will prevent iron absorption or consume it from the host. I think the OP needs to address this first.

Also the rest of the supplements and diets may be in excess. Dairy milk is rich enough in K2 (like mk9, mk10, etc) supplementing K2 in isolation long-term can cause nutritional imbalances as it works synergistically with cofactors nutrients.

The salt also seems excessive, should take it easy on all the supplements, perhaps start over from square one and focus on cleaning the gut (coconut oil on an empty stomach helps, so does a teaspoon of Manuka honey). Thyroid medication should include T3.
 
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Have you thought about going on an elimination diet, like just meat for 30 days, for instance. Then slowly reintroduce foods one by one and see how you react to them. I would get rid of the milk, aspirin (agree with redsun on this) OJ, and coke, for sure. My goodness, no wonder you're not doing well! Eat less sugar and more good quality protein. You may want to check out the Meats and Sweets channel on Youtube for some guidance.
 
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Ur vitamin d is 33, it should be between 50 and 60, and ur prolactin is 19. It should be under 7. Its probably high cuz ur D is at 33.
 

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