Chris Masterjohn Seems To Be Falling Apart

[InChristAlone]

Actually it was @Amazoniac who brought up Garrett Smith even though he doesn't like him. That opened the door to the vitamin A stuff. And no one on this thread claimed Vitamin A was poisonous.

 

[Amazoniac]

Actually it was @Amazoniac who brought up Garrett Smith even though he doesn't like him. That opened the door to the vitamin A stuff. And no one on this thread claimed Vitamin A was poisonous.

This thread is a gossip space, Mito's diagnose would eventually pop up. I wanted to share his version because it's probably one more wave of hysteria started by professor Garrett.

 

[InChristAlone]

If coimbra protocol gets popular enough, soon we will have anti-vitamin D people. Imagine how hilarious that would be, no eggs and dairy or vitamin D foods and people purposefully avoiding the sun


In my experience it is high-fiber plant foods but it is highly individual. Some get problems from dairy, eggs, potatoes, certain vegetables, certain fruits... these things need to be specifically tested via elimination for best individual results.

Lol, that is pretty funny, but would never happen because there are no documented cases of hypervitaminosis D from unfortified food as far as I know and it is understood that vitamin D from the sun is way safer.

 

[Blossom]

Lol, that is pretty funny, but would never happen because there are no documented cases of hypervitaminosis D from unfortified food as far as I know and it is understood that vitamin D from the sun is way safer.

There is the Marshall Protocol people who avoid D.
Introduction to the Marshall Protocol (MPKB)

 

[InChristAlone]

There is the Marshall Protocol people who avoid D.

Wow even following Garrett I never heard of that! Thanks for informing me. Do you know much about it? Why do they feel natural D in foods isn't safe?

 

[redsun]

There is the Marshall Protocol people who avoid D.
Introduction to the Marshall Protocol (MPKB)

Wow, looks like someone already had the idea. I had no clue, now I have someone interesting new to look at, thanks

 

[redsun]

Wow even following Garrett I never heard of that! Thanks for informing me. Do you know much about it? Why do they feel natural D in foods isn't safe?

At quick glance it talks about vitamin D inhibiting innate immunity. They utilize a drug and prescribe avoidance of vitamin D foods and possible management of sunlight exposure to turn the innate immune system back on. Interesting.

 

[Blossom]

At quick glance it talks about vitamin D inhibiting innate immunity. They utilize a drug and prescribe avoidance of vitamin D foods and possible management of sunlight exposure to turn the innate immune system back on. Interesting.

I learned about it from someone here about 5 years ago. I don’t personally believe D is normally toxic but it’s interesting nonetheless.

 

[lvysaur]

The veganism thing was so long ago, and he still practices much of the WP diet.


There are quite a few WP diet proponents and fermented cod liver advocates who died from mysterious illnesses or brain cancer. Not scientific but seems to be a theme.

Any examples? Not doubting, just curious

 

[Tarmander]

Any examples? Not doubting, just curious

- Kim Schuette, a WAPF board member and nutritionist associated with promotion of FCLO, died earlier this week, Christmas day, at age 59. She is one of three WAPF-associated individuals who have died of glioblastoma brain cancer.

—Cherie Calvert, who was a founding member of the WAPF board, died in late November of breast cancer; she was 63. Calvert wasn’t known to have recommended or taken the FCLO, but had remained with the board as it fought off demands that it step back from its enthusiastic endorsement of the Green Pasture product.

—Jessica Earle was a long-time WAPF enthusiast and mother, who died last month at age 44, also of glioblastoma stage IV. She was unusual in that she lived for six years with the brain cancer, apparently benefiting from treatment by a prominent alternative practitioner. She had a blog chronicling her illness and sought funds to help defray costs of her treatment.

—Eoin Miller, a WAPF chapter leader in Ireland, died in late 2017 from liver cancer. He was a GAPS practitioner and exercise scientist, and was only 34. He left behind a wife and young child. He promoted FCLO and is understood to have taken it.

—Katherine Czapp, who had been editor for the WAPF journal Wise Traditions, died in late 2016 at age 60. She died of a type of colorectal cancer, as did her husband about a year before she did. Both were understood to have been users of FCLO

—Carol Esche, a nurse and a former board member of WAPF, died in late 2016 of metastatic breast cancer. It’s not known if she took FCLO. She was 59.

—Lauren Feder Haarpaintner, the author of a book on natural pregnancy, died in late 2015 of bone cancer at age 55. She was understood to have promoted FCLO on her web site.

—Chris Decker was a gifted naturopath, who was diagnosed in 2014 with a strange abdominal cancer that was so fast and vicious that oncologists couldn’t figure out what was going on. In early 2015, she pleaded for donations on her Facebook page: “As far as the MDs are concerned, the prognosis is pretty dismal. There is however, an enormous amount that natural medicine can do, and I’m seeing two wonderful cancer specialists.

Also check out this thread: Green Pastures FCLO Fiasco

Edit, also, from sugarbabe:
"And Dr. Ron who died of congestive heart failure after consuming 2 tablespoons of fermented cod liver oil a day.

Also Rami Nagel who wrote "cure tooth decay" died of cancer too."

 

[InChristAlone]

CM's assistant also got melanoma. These no processed food diets seem to be working out so well for people.

 

[Daft]

Wow strange! I strongly suspected P5P, which I see in his Nov 29 post he's currently taking, to be causal or worsening of abnormal twitching allover body and yes what can be arguably severe in that they could be really strong reflex like jerks, even of my whole stomach at once contracting for example, back 2-3 years ago. I still have it occasionally but far far less and link it mainly to my vague ibs and how active/disrupting it is.
Odd to find he has observed the opposite effect using it. What helped me make consider the connection was reading somewhere about how too much B6 can cause nerve issues and realize oops maybe that's a bad idea to be taking...

The twitching occurred often while awake but also happened often around falling asleep so was related to hypnic jerks, a subset of myoclonus, the technical term for twitching.

Every time it happens I adjust a few things and it goes away. The terbinafine also caused severe twitching, which I solved by getting enough potassium and avoiding alcohol and acids. As it subsided it settled into a fuzzy paresthesia in my cheeks that got better and better over time. The last bout of twitching is highly effectively managed with strategies targeting acid-base balance and glutamate (currently emphasizing beta-alanine and B6). The gait issue seemed to resolve in response to ensuring adequate B vitamins across the board.

 

[LLight]

This paper talks about the link between vitamin D, diseases and the innate immune system: Infection, Autoimmunity, and Vitamin D - ScienceDirect

Edit: which seems to be published by the same author than the protocol by the way.

 

[burtlancast]

I didn't even go back to that thread after you attacked my character so....

No biggie, Janelle.

If your sources about Coimbra being poisonous turn out in the same phony way, you'll always have the option to change your username... (a third time)

 

[Sulcuscentralis]

I agree. And Ray Peat only advises eating it only once a week. I also remember him talking about animals on the onset of spring needing vitamin A to help restore their metabolism from winter hibernation, and to prepare them for a new reproductive cycle. My impression is that more vitamin A is needed in periods with an abundance of sunlight. I tried going without liver or oysters for a while, and I didn't feel good. So I reverted back to the once weekly intake. I live in the tropics though.

I wonder though if vitamin A toxicity is as common in the tropics.

Vitamin A and copper. Amazoniac linked a study in another post about this. For some reason this summer felt really fatigued even after short sun expousre. Supplementing

I agree. And Ray Peat only advises eating it only once a week. I also remember him talking about animals on the onset of spring needing vitamin A to help restore their metabolism from winter hibernation, and to prepare them for a new reproductive cycle. My impression is that more vitamin A is needed in periods with an abundance of sunlight. I tried going without liver or oysters for a while, and I didn't feel good. So I reverted back to the once weekly intake. I live in the tropics though.

I wonder though if vitamin A toxicity is as common in the tropics.

"Vitamin A and copper. Amazoniac linked a study in another post about this. For some reason this summer felt really fatigued even after short sun expousre. Supplementing"
Vitamin A and copper. Amazoniac linked a study in another post about this. For some reason this summer felt really fatigued even after short sun expousre. Supplementing copper and eating beef liver helped a lot. I also was supplementing Zinc without copper for a year prior to that. That maybe cause an imbalance. Gonna stick to foods.

 

[yerrag]

Vitamin A and copper. Amazoniac linked a study in another post about this. For some reason this summer felt really fatigued even after short sun expousre. Supplementing

"Vitamin A and copper. Amazoniac linked a study in another post about this. For some reason this summer felt really fatigued even after short sun expousre. Supplementing"
Vitamin A and copper. Amazoniac linked a study in another post about this. For some reason this summer felt really fatigued even after short sun expousre. Supplementing copper and eating beef liver helped a lot. I also was supplementing Zinc without copper for a year prior to that. That maybe cause an imbalance. Gonna stick to foods.

I think food is best. And variety so that whatever that may be missing is covered by redundancy. This is easier to say than done, especially if food is getting industrialized and it becomes peppered with isolated nutrients, of which Soylent is an extreme example. Food that has a more full connection to a fertile land or thriving lake and sea would be ideal, as the nutrients would be packaged and dosed in its balanced and bioavailable way. Harder to achieve with poultry and livestock, and easier with fruits and vegetables.

 

[Hermes]

lmao @ people opting for (potentially excessive?) high intakes of [supplemental] vit A (or D... or anything...)

Regardless who you are, if your approach is not strategic or impeccable, you will simply cause self-sabotage...
A bit like taking a 'physical Peat' approach, whilst remaining ignorant of the 'non-physical dynamics'.
Only a fool would ignore half the story!
(and then wonder naively why things aren't going to plan...)

(People are generally so polarized, they lack the lucid perception of the non-physical aspect to their existence, thus they remain naive to such things, which is basically moronic & foolish. Who would only read half of an instruction manual, and ignore the other half? That's called self-sabotage 101)

Ah, I'm guilty of this big time. Being so ignorant of the non-physical, that I feel clueless how to take care of myself in this regard. It's easier to focus on physical issues. It's probably something I learnt growing up.

What have you found to be helpful for the non-physcial?

 

[Ihor]

@mouse @Vladimir Erfán @yerrag In these studies, copper(ceruloplasmin)-deficient rats seem to accumulate retinol and can't use it:

- Modification of vitamin A metabolism in rats fed a copper-deficient diet.
- Interactions in indices of vitamin A, zinc and copper status when these nutrients are fed to rats at adequate and increased levels.

 

[Nemo]

Any examples? Not doubting, just curious

I personally used fermented cod liver oil for a year to 18 months based on the recommendations of the Weston A. Price people and got brain cancer.

And I took only one or two capsules a day of the Green Pastures butter oil and fermented cod liver oil combo. So here's another one to add to the list.

 

[InChristAlone]

No biggie, Janelle.

If your sources about Coimbra being poisonous turn out in the same phony way, you'll always have the option to change your username... (a third time)

Your thread made me realize that if I am going to debate online that there are people out there who could go on a rage and find out where I live and all that. I am doing this in protection of my family against people like you. Which is really sad.

So just a warning for others... make people angry and they follow you around like a hawk.