Why Corporations Want You To Shut Up And Meditate

[ken]

I would imagine traditional Christian practice over the centuries was closer to the eastern sense at least in the monastic orders. I think Saint Augustine's "lord make me chaste, but not yet", would be a perfect contemplation. There's always popular versions of religions. And swings between mystic and authoritarian versions. Here in the USA we had our religious Woodstock in 1825. At a place called Cane Ridge. 50 thousand people having a tent revival for a month. Then all sorts of new religions sprouted up. They all claimed to be updated versions of Christianity. Power's of all sorts try to use whatever they can to get what they think they need. More compliant employees are always popular. Did you read the story of the guy in New Zealand who was facing a redundancy interview, since his human resources guide lines allowed him a support person he hired a clown.

 

[oldmanthunder]

For me, meditation is a way of relaxing the mind. If you exercise, relaxing/resting is essential for recovery and strengthening, but if you are always relaxing, your body will become weak and dull.

The same is true for meditation. If your mind is overactive/overworked (ie anxiety, fatigue), then meditation can be a powerful tool for resting your mind and restoring energy levels. But if done too much, it will make you complacent/dull.

Not sure how I feel about meditation induced compliance. If you are a literal slave, perhaps embracing compliance can be therapeutic, but in most cases, being compliant with injustice is unhealthy.

 

[Collden]

Hypnosis has been associated with a predominance of theta wave brain activity. This is the state of mind babies spend most of their time in up until about 7 years of age. This serves an evolutionary purpose of making them very open to absorb information and learn from their environment the skills needed to survive. Essentially their theta wave activity facilitates the "programming" of their mind.

Meditation also induces theta wave activity, so it brings you into a state of mind where you are more suggestible and open to rewriting your previously established programming. This can be utilized for both good and evil, in the wrong context (like a cult) it facilitates brainwashing. In the right context however, it can permit a person to break free of dysfunctional thought patterns established during childhood and replace it with something more appropriate that will allow him greater freedom to live the kind of life he wishes to live. Meditation is not good or bad but a tool for neural rewiring.

This means you literally get from meditation what you put in with it. If you learn to meditate in a cult that teaches you that the ego is evil, desire is poison, and life is nothing but suffering, that is what you will learn and meditation will turn you against life and make you a vegetable. If you meditate with the purpose of identifying and changing dysfunctional thought patterns in your life that are holding you back from achieving your goals - then that is what it will do for you. Most meditators, even if they don’t join a cult, usually start reading spiritual literature when they start meditating, which is usually anti-life. The stuff you fill your mind with during periods of meditation will have a large impact on its effects.

 

[aussiebaldguy]

Anything that makes you ultimately weak and suggestible is great for slave masters. The things they really freak out about is someone standing up and going we aint copping this any more u guys are cancelled

 

[bk_]

From ex-KGB in India:

 

[yerrag]

I would like to defund corporations.

They've outlived their purpose.

They now control us.

We don't have to wait for machines to take over.

 

[yerrag]

I don't think meditation can do anything more than what we're already doing. We've already undergone that programming and continue to do so. Russians need not apply.

Where in the world is there a need to have a safe space?

Where else can SSRI drugs become pop culture?

 

[Lejeboca]

From ex-KGB in India:

1. KGB surely didn't waste it's time and promptly brought TM (transcendental meditation) into the Soviet Union, or whatever remained of it, in the 90s.

2. Corporate or not, at least, Sutrayana mediation (e.g., remained uninvolved) brings stress relief as opposed to another means of remained uninvolved (aka TV).

3. The TM has a flavor of mysticism, it's true, but if not overdone, it could be quite good for stress relieve.
I think that Yuri Bezmenov is overdoing it in terms of linking TM to "useful idiots".
I find him quite arrogant in this video, and too much controlled-opposition: "KGB has paid for my trip [insert an Indian city here]... But I didn't enroll into the course because it costed 500 USD." Excuse me?! Most likely, he was sent to that Indian City to to make a deal between Maharishi and KGB.

I don't think meditation can do anything more than what we're already doing. We've already undergone that programming and continue to do so.

I think "programming" is more in the realm of mesmerism/hypnosis than meditation.

I wonder whether anyone know of cases when hypnosis is (possibly non-overtly) being applied by corporations?

 

[bk_]

1. KGB surely didn't waste it's time and promptly brought TM (transcendental meditation) into the Soviet Union, or whatever remained of it, in the 90s.

2. Corporate or not, at least, Sutrayana mediation (e.g., remained uninvolved) brings stress relief as opposed to another means of remained uninvolved (aka TV).

3. The TM has a flavor of mysticism, it's true, but if not overdone, it could be quite good for stress relieve.
I think that Yuri Bezmenov is overdoing it in terms of linking TM to "useful idiots".
I find him quite arrogant in this video, and too much controlled-opposition: "KGB has paid for my trip [insert an Indian city here]... But I didn't enroll into the course because it costed 500 USD." Excuse me?! Most likely, he was sent to that Indian City to to make a deal between Maharishi and KGB.



I think "programming" is more in the realm of mesmerism/hypnosis than meditation.

I wonder whether anyone know of cases when hypnosis is (possibly non-overtly) being applied by corporations?

1. I’m assuming you’re being sarcastic. The idea of using TM for ideological subversion was not for citizens of the USSR it directed towards the US and other other nations for their subversion programs.

2. Stress relief is good, Bezmenov was referring to it being used as a form of mysticism to solve all their problems or use it as a form of escapism which makes them very passive and thus easier for the KGB to continue their activities.

3. I agree, I do it too to relax. The point of his message and this thread is that it can be abused as a tool to pacify people. Take for example a high stress work place that abuses its employees. One way they can do to reduce employee turn over and their employees from forming a union or getting angry enough to demand better working conditions is to pacify them by making them meditate away their emotions and valid objections.

Anger can be a valid emotion and if used properly it can be a a tool for positive life transformation such as standing up for yourself or quitting your job and seeking something better.

My story...
I used to meditate a lot every time I got angry but then I became very passive and my employer was taking advantage of me by withholding just deserved promotions and raises. When I started on Ray Peat’s advice with diet and nutrition a lot of emotions bubbled out but I used it instead to address the problem areas in my life and injustice by taking action rather than go back into the meditation closet. I got my promotion and got my raise and fixed my relationships and dealt with A myriad of other issues once I realized I can’t just keep meditating away my emotions. I went from being passive to active.

Here’s an idea to expound on Ray Peat’s idea of learned helplessness, perhaps meditation can be good for those things not in your control but can be a detriment for those things you can control or take action? I’m all ears as this is fairly subjective...

 

[Energizer]

From ex-KGB in India:

A lot of people on the forum post Bezemov. They seem to be unaware he was a counter-revolutionary: Les Toolish's answer to Is Yuri Bezmenov a fraud? - Quora I guess that doesn't matter to them though because he tells them what they want to hear. A propaganda expert telling us about Russia? Surely he could never lie. That's what I find ironic. That being said he was correct in pointing out the cults associated with meditation, but the technique from a pragmatic standpoint could be seperated from the dogma and ideology.

Meditation can be useful if you have the energy, but there's nothing wrong with acknowledging it could be dangerous for some vulnerable people, it is after all a pretty powerful technique. Mysticism and mythology surround the practice but at its heart its aim is to enhance concentration by mastering controlled breathing (pranayama) and does tend to reduce stress as well so if it's not doing that, quite simply, people needn't fuss over doing it, but I've found it to be useful, although I personally don't do it regularly.

 

[bk_]

A lot of people on the forum post Bezemov. They seem to be unaware he was a counter-revolutionary: Les Toolish's answer to Is Yuri Bezmenov a fraud? - Quora I guess that doesn't matter to them though because he tells them what they want to hear. A propaganda expert telling us about Russia? Surely he could never lie. That's what I find ironic. That being said he was correct in pointing out the cults associated with meditation, but the technique from a pragmatic standpoint could be seperated from the dogma and ideology.

Meditation can be useful if you have the energy, but there's nothing wrong with acknowledging it could be dangerous for some vulnerable people, it is after all a pretty powerful technique. Mysticism and mythology surround the practice but at its heart its aim is to enhance concentration by mastering controlled breathing (pranayama) and does tend to reduce stress as well so if it's not doing that, quite simply, people needn't fuss over doing it, but I've found it to be useful, although I personally don't do it regularly.

Interesting claims about Bezmenov being a counter-revolutionary without a shred of evidence in that quora forum, very lazy research.

Ever actually watch his full lectures? His aim wasn’t to tell you about Russia his aim was to tell you about America with the step by step what’s happening and how the plan is laid out. He discusses how propaganda and ideological subversion works so you can recognize it and how to defend against it. He accurately described the progression of society and politics in America. Much of what he predicted and described has already unfolded and is continuing right now.

 

[yerrag]

I think "programming" is more in the realm of mesmerism/hypnosis than meditation.

True. But the programming can render the mind more amenable to reinforcement by meditation. It can subvert the mind instead of enhance the mind.

I wonder whether anyone know of cases when hypnosis is (possibly non-overtly) being applied by corporations?

When kids are subjected to teletubby and Sesame Street programming these days, when their minds are most open to suggestion, aren't the corporations behind Teletubbies and Sesam Street (in its current form) doing the hypnosis in an overt way. Perhaps this doesn't answer your question (non-overt), or perhaps it does.

We're already seeing transgender females competing with natural born females already, aren't we?

 

[lvysaur]

Those countries are ****88 ecologicaly wise exactly because of this thinking. It's not environment that is already destroyed and kills all the planet its your head. Have you been in India? There are mountains of garbade, air pollution, there is no even one clean river left. They say we it doesn't really matter they say India is spiritual not physical country. They say only karma what matter but don't realize that polluting the planet is actually a karmic action because it is a slow murder of every creature alive on this planet.

You sound like either a desperate Indian at his wits end, or more likely a Westerner who is censoring reality. Meditation has nothing to do with poverty and pollution, lol.

A huge portion, recently a majority of trash in Africa/Asia is just Western trash thats been imported. Western people generate the trash, and Western countries export it to the 3rd world so they can pretend that it didn't come from them--the trash is not counted under their statistics because of this.

3rd world countries then employ poor people to go through the trash and find bits of aluminium, tin, etc.

Recently the quality of Western trash has been so disorganized/dirty that it's impossible to even pick through it for items of value, so China and India banned the practice: Rubbish already building up at UK recycling plants due to China import ban

 

[Energizer]

Interesting claims about Bezmenov being a counter-revolutionary without a shred of evidence in that quora forum, very lazy research.

Ever actually watch his full lectures? His aim wasn’t to tell you about Russia his aim was to tell you about America with the step by step what’s happening and how the plan is laid out. He discusses how propaganda and ideological subversion works so you can recognize it and how to defend against it. He accurately described the progression of society and politics in America. Much of what he predicted and described has already unfolded and is continuing right now.

I got the gist, don't have an interest in his long boring speeches that seem to be motivated by an anti-Russian, anti-Communist sentiment. To me it's highly suspicious when someone defects from their homecountry and then badmouths it. Given his history and background, he strikes me as a traitor to Russia and was a possible co-conspirator with the CIA and Canadian intelligence service. Not someone I care to listen to. The way he talks about "socialist subversion" and Marxism shows me he either hasn't read Marx or is deliberately trying to obfuscate Marx's philosophy. SAnd I can tell you haven't either if you take his political rhetoric seriously. Marxism-Leninism is not "woke" identity-politics neo-liberalism and social justice politics they preach in academia. By the way, subversion can just as easily happen at the hands of shock-doctrine capitalists who wait for when a group is in crisis to institute dramatic changes. The Dulles Brothers, who Bezemov probably would've been fond of since he seems to be describing their playbook down to the letter, performed similar tactics that he is describing.

They aren't even comparable. When he talks about dramatic influence of Marxism-Leninism philosophies in the US, he lost me. Universities by and large aren't beholden to Marx, Engels, Lenin, etc. Yes they are taught in some classes in history or philosophy oriented coursework, but more as a historical footnote. He's spinning a yarn about things that just aren't happening. Where is the communist politics in the US? The communist party has very little say or influence in the US. He is obfuscating the truth about real communism, it is almost unheard of in the West. Communists do not get taken seriously here. If we were to judge how politics works in truth, it's along the two-party system of Democrat or Republican that may as well be one party. If we were to take voting as a metric of people's political orientation, it's simple to see where most people stand politically. Obviously not with communism, which has such a small following in the West, the Communist party for example has only a few thousand members. Compare that with the number of Democratic party and Republican party members.

In reality, contrary to the yarn Bezemov is spinning, the dominant ideology in the West and in academia, is that of capitalism. Milton Friedman, who won the Nobel Prize in economics, is a good example of this. He had many accolades in Chicago academia. He was known as a "champion" of the unfettered "free market" and was Pinochet's economic advisor. People like him are who make the history books, because The Empire likes economists who serve its agenda. They like to write pretty fairy-tales about capitalism about how miraculously it works. In reality, the ideology and practice of capitalism/imperialism helps produce widespread inequality and leads to dangerous monopolies and helps cause deliberate shortages and leads to endless warring. Meanwhile, the history books are written largely to demonize all forces and countries that contradict the assumed virtues of capitalism, namely communism and anarchism.

 

[Collden]

I used to meditate a lot every time I got angry but then I became very passive and my employer was taking advantage of me by withholding just deserved promotions and raises. When I started on Ray Peat’s advice with diet and nutrition a lot of emotions bubbled out but I used it instead to address the problem areas in my life and injustice by taking action rather than go back into the meditation closet. I got my promotion and got my raise and fixed my relationships and dealt with A myriad of other issues once I realized I can’t just keep meditating away my emotions. I went from being passive to active.

Here’s an idea to expound on Ray Peat’s idea of learned helplessness, perhaps meditation can be good for those things not in your control but can be a detriment for those things you can control or take action? I’m all ears as this is fairly subjective...

Meditation should not be used to suppress emotions but it can be helpful to attain clarity about them. What are you upset about, why does it make you upset, etc. If there is a clearly identifiable cause of your emotional upset, you can then direct your energy to fix the situation.

Sometimes we have a very strong emotional reaction to something that doesn't really warrant it, ie your boss criticizes your work and it makes you feel like your whole being is totally worthless. Using meditation to realize that this response is excessive and likely linked to it triggering some trauma in your childhood is not "suppressing" it, but rather an adaptive re-calibration of your neural programming.

Almost all addictive behaviors and procrastination is due to an inability to deal with ones emotions. One resorts to addictive behaviors because they give a quick and easy dopamine fix that serves to dampen ones emotions. The same thing with procrastination - we put off doing things that need to be done because it involves dealing with emotions that we cannot handle. Sustaining attention on a "boring" task does not produce as much dopamine as flicking through TV channels or social media posts, so it means that to perform such tasks will make us more exposed to our emotions and we cannot do it unless we know how to deal with them.

How to deal with ones emotions is complex, sometimes expressing them without inhibition is good yes. Anger is useful sometimes yes, but people who are angry all the time don't tend to do very well in life. In most cases, knowing how to control your emotions to do what needs to be done, is the more useful skill. I think the same is true when it comes to making needed major changes in your life to get out of a bad situation, it requires dealing with strong emotions, fear, anxiety, feelings of uncertainty, etc.

 

[methylenewhite]

A huge portion, recently a majority of trash in Africa/Asia is just Western trash thats been imported. Western people generate the trash, and Western countries export it to the 3rd world so they can pretend that it didn't come from them--the trash is not counted under their statistics because of this.

Lol I don't even understand if it's a joke or some serious delusion

 

[Yggr]

newsflash, communism doesn't work. Period.

 

[yerrag]

newsflash, communism doesn't work. Period.

For sure, but when the system gives the masses no hope for a meaningful future, what is there for them to lose by adopting a failed system?

For all intents, this system has already failed them. At the very least, they get the satisfaction of seeing everyone else commiserating with them as all pass through the abyss.

All institutions have been corrupted. None have any moral authority. Fact-checkers lie, facts and views are censored. Good intentions are twisted, good people maligned, only miscreants lacking of leadership qualities get to lead, good people silenced and jailed. When choice is between a rotten piece of banana and a spoiled piece of egg, who cares if there's another day to look forward to?

This feeling is the stench of decay in civilization. No uprising because there's no real leadership. No leadership because it's hopeless to fight the system. The system can co-opt any movement. The system can annihilate any threat.

And the system is not human. It is an entity with an evil mission. It is incorporated and kept alive by humans bereft of a soul and a conscience, and continually fed by a revolving cast of characters through time, each time more empowered by technology. As technology becomes more advanced and intelligent, the more humans become marginalized, and the more humans become expendable. There could soon be no need to fight for the unborn to have a life, as there ceases to be a reason for being except for the few that become mere tools for the corporation. And these aren't the fortunate ones.

For humans to have a reason for being, corporations have to be torn down.

 

[Energizer]

newsflash, communism doesn't work. Period.

I'm not arguing for the viability of communism. I'm more of an anarchist in theory than a communist (I'd rather see a world without governors). I don't think the world is ready for such an idea though, because people are conditioned to believe that we need to be ruled. However, I do appreciate the writing of some more communist oriented writers like Marx. I think it's also clear capitalism and the state that supports it doesn't work either. It's a winner-take all system. Just look how many working class people lost their jobs from the COVID-19 lockdowns and businesses went under while the ultra-billionaires sold off their stocks and bought out many of these same smaller businesses and not to mention many of these corporate owners received a handsome paycheck on top of all that in the massive two-trillion dollar Coronavirus stimulus package.

 

[yerrag]

I had this thought then, when the USSR collapsed: 'What does capitalism have to prove now?'

As time passes, my fears are getting stronger and stronger confirmation. Capitalism has been unchained like a rabid dog. It began to ransack and pillage countries. War is created to rob countries endowed with resources. For those unable to pillage on foreign soil, domestic soil was ripe for the taking. The state became an embodiment of a malignant cancer, where all the malignant characters came to carpetbag, and the rest became fodder for the malignant class.

This was by design. For history has shown how a country can become great when it has a class of public servants as an institution developed to serve the people. That was understood by Germany and the United Kingdom, when they saw how at one time China was able to make a large population over a large tract of land productive, and peace reigned and the culture, the arts and sciences progressed. The best competed to serve the state, and the state served the people well.

This isn't the state we see in the US. We see the worst people working for the state, protecting the interests of a few, and the people's interests are last.

This country beat communism. But the people lost just the same. The state lost as well, taken over by a cabal comprised of Zionists and their hold on key sectors of the economy - banking, pharmaceuticals, media, armaments makers, technology, and Hollywood.

Ask yourself why no billionaire is on our side. See who controls large voting blocs in these corporations. Now you can understand why tech is against us.

When the Fed can keep printing money and the state can keep propping up large corporations, who is buying up the control blocs of shares in public corporations in key industries?

We were always going to be operating in the margins, our voices squelched.

A place of relative freedom, ironically, would be China. At least with this generation. But when the Chinese students in US and British universities return to China and assume positions of power, the decay from infection begins.

The Zionists are a parasite feeding on who happens to be nominally holding the reigns of power - the Ottomans, the British, the Americans currently, and in the future, China.