Red Light Therapy / LLLT Cures Hypothyroid?

[Daniel11]

The reason why I would like to start with red 250w is because I already have that at home. Later I will probably buy the one you suggested. At 60cm is not much overheating, at this distance I feel similar pleasant heat as if I am under the sun. 15cm yes it is too close and it is burning, but 30cm could be tolerated. At 30cm the skin is hot, but not burning at not very uncomfortable. Anyway I have no idea if 30cm distance is close enough or too far to get enough positive changes.

Keep at the distance that feels best for you, there is thermal benefits from these lights.

 

[Mauritio]

Hey,
i tried and bought the Red Light Mini from RLM based on the advice i got from this thread.
I am was only at 30 seconds on thyorid, eyes and belly organs every day,when i got strange symptoms (red face looked like sun burn,especially towards evening , lower stamina , more anxious) .
I stoped doing it on thyroid . Then stoped the eyes. And, as it didn't get better stoped doing it on the belly too. All just 30 seconds ,maybe sometimes 1 minute.
I do have to say that I also had good symptoms in generell at that time like better mood , more social, but that faded away after some time.
Soo my opinion is that it is probably nitric oxide. A lot of people are talking about how red light liberates NO from the respiratory enzymes, but all that NO needs to go somewhere . Isnt it just in your body the same way it would be after a stressful event /too much arginine/ taking viagra?
So it could be a detox phase or my detox organs beeing overwhelmed / cant keep up with detoxing NO?!
So maybe giving it some time time will solve this ? And does NO need to be detoxed at all?
I didnt get this reaction from infrared light. Possibly because 660nm releases the most NO and infrared does so much less...
What do you think would be best in your opinion @Daniel11 ?

 

[Daniel11]

Hey,
i tried and bought the Red Light Mini from RLM based on the advice i got from this thread.
I am was only at 30 seconds on thyorid, eyes and belly organs every day,when i got strange symptoms (red face looked like sun burn,especially towards evening , lower stamina , more anxious) .
I stoped doing it on thyroid . Then stoped the eyes. And, as it didn't get better stoped doing it on the belly too. All just 30 seconds ,maybe sometimes 1 minute.
I do have to say that I also had good symptoms in generell at that time like better mood , more social, but that faded away after some time.
Soo my opinion is that it is probably nitric oxide. A lot of people are talking about how red light liberates NO from the respiratory enzymes, but all that NO needs to go somewhere . Isnt it just in your body the same way it would be after a stressful event /too much arginine/ taking viagra?
So it could be a detox phase or my detox organs beeing overwhelmed / cant keep up with detoxing NO?!
So maybe giving it some time time will solve this ? And does NO need to be detoxed at all?
I didnt get this reaction from infrared light. Possibly because 660nm releases the most NO and infrared does so much less...
What do you think would be best in your opinion @Daniel11 ?

Its true the shorter visible wavelengths have more energy then infrared but better for you in the long run. The light is definitely going to put your body through some metabolic changes, some people are more sensitive then others and need to go slow at first and your nutritional needs will increase, you could try every other day at first and do just one area of your body at a time so you know the specific effects, be sure to have enough good quality salt especially in the morning.

What time of day are you doing on your eyes?

 

[Mauritio]

Its true the shorter visible wavelengths have more energy then infrared but better for you in the long run. The light is definitely going to put your body through some metabolic changes, some people are more sensitive then others and need to go slow at first and your nutritional needs will increase, you could try every other day at first and do just one area of your body at a time so you know the specific effects, be sure to have enough good quality salt especially in the morning.

What time of day are you doing on your eyes?

I was already doing every other day , but will try to do only one body part. Whats best to start with ? Eyes ?

Somebody have any idea about the nitric oxide thing ? I am currently reading a paper on it . I am going to link it below.

https://www.researchgate.net/public...le_of_nitric_oxide_in_low_level_light_therapy

 

[Daniel11]

I was already doing every other day , but will try to do only one body part. Whats best to start with ? Eyes ?

Somebody have any idea about the nitric oxide thing ? I am currently reading a paper on it . I am going to link it below.

https://www.researchgate.net/public...le_of_nitric_oxide_in_low_level_light_therapy

You could start on your belly/liver, the area just below the sternum, hold light on the skin. When you start the eyes only do in the morning and hold light around 4" from your nose.

Thats good to learn more about Nitric Oxide let us know what you discover.

 

[Mauritio]

I will do so .Already skipped the last 3 days so maybe tomorrow I will give it another shot...

Actually nitric oxide that has been liberated from Cytochrome oxidase via red light only works locally, since it only has a halflife of 2-3 seconds !
In other words the things I feel ,cannot be from redlight IMO or if I do the redlight on my stomach i shouldn't feel redness /sweating in my face ,I guess. Expect if there is some following cascade of stress hormones in those mentioned 2-3 seconds...

 

[Daniel11]

I will do so .Already skipped the last 3 days so maybe tomorrow I will give it another shot...

Actually nitric oxide that has been liberated from Cytochrome oxidase via red light only works locally, since it only has a halflife of 2-3 seconds !
In other words the things I feel ,cannot be from redlight IMO or if I do the redlight on my stomach i shouldn't feel redness /sweating in my face ,I guess. Expect if there is some following cascade of stress hormones in those mentioned 2-3 seconds...

That’s very interesting about the halflife of nitric oxide, it seems if photobiomodulation improves mitochondrial respiration that cell and tissue detoxification would be enhanced.

 

[Mauritio]

That’s very interesting about the halflife of nitric oxide, it seems if photobiomodulation improves mitochondrial respiration that cell and tissue detoxification would be enhanced.

Probably ,since working on Mitochondria and ATP means working on the root of all things!

 

[Daniel11]

I do find the Micro-pulse device goes very well with Photobiomodulation. Many people have reported enhanced benefits by using both and i find this to be very true. Light is excellent for the brain especially through the eyes where the photons energy can reach brain cells, but it would be very difficult to get the a LED light or even or a laser to effectively treat broader and deeper regions of the brain.

With the Micro-pulse there is a beneficial Pulsed Electromagnetic Field that is created, a wide field that can penetrate tissues and bone up to 6 inches, it has been shown to have very beneficial effects for traumatic brain injury, it has strong anti-inflammatory activity and the beneficial effects suggest it stimulates neural and other stem cells.

Its coming to light that most people that have chronic illnesses and emotional stresses have some level of brain inflammation for various reasons including the birthing process, childhood, nutritional deficiencies, sports, chemical and environmental exposure.

The good news is if your feeling crazy you should know its not your mind, its not your fault, many psychological labels including schizophrenia are not actually personality disorders they are side effect of trauma to the brain and when you heal your brain you can feel healthy and emotionally balanced.

Research studies have clearly shown that children and adults diagnosed on the autism spectrum have brain inflammation and treating brain inflammation has restored healthy functioning for people.

“In recent years, many studies indicate that children with an autism spectrum disorder (ASD) diagnosis have brain pathology suggestive of ongoing neuroinflammation or encephalitis in different regions of their brains.”

Relevance of Neuroinflammation and Encephalitis in Autism

Brain inflammation effects sensory processing, this can make human interaction and communication very awkward and uncomfortable, this difficulty being able to communicate comfortably is a source of great frustration for many people working on their health. Healing the brain is just as important as healing the digestive system and thyroid, Photobiomodulation and Pulsed Electro-Magnetic Field Therapy (PEMF Therapy) work synergistically.

This unique Micro-Pulse device invented by a former NASA scientist is worth learning more about, its been successful in treating traumatic brain inflammation. You put the coils on each side of your head and also can be used on your thyroid, under perineum/prostate, lower back.

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[ddjd]

Effects of low-level laser therapy on the serum TGF-β1 concentrations in individuals with autoimmune thyroiditis. - PubMed - NCBI
Photomed Laser Surg. 2014 Aug;32(8):444-9. doi: 10.1089/pho.2014.3716.
Effects of low-level laser therapy on the serum TGF-β1 concentrations in individuals with autoimmune thyroiditis.
Höfling DB1, Chavantes MC, Acencio MM, Cerri GG, Marui S, Yoshimura EM, Chammas MC

This study is saying LLLT raises TGF-b1?? That's not ideal at all. I was expecting the opposite effect

 

[MyUsernameHere]

This study is saying LLLT raises TGF-b1?? That's not ideal at all. I was expecting the opposite effect

Could be one of the reasons I was experiencing super-fast hair thinning while I used this.

 

[newbie]

I am not sure if this has already been mentioned. Light therapy could also negative affect thyroid or other tissue if too intensive.
Low Level Light Therapy For Hypothyroidism - Analyzing The Research

With 830nm, 150mW lowered thyroid hormones in rabbits, whereas 50mW increases hormones in humans and animals.
With redlightman Infrared Mini 830nm 200 mW/cm² is at 10cm
With redlightman Red Light Device Mini 610 ◦ 630 ◦ 670 nm 200 mW/cm² is at 0cm

Daniel11 you wrote that you use it close to skin. This would mean 200 mW. I am not sure is 200 mW/cm² would be too much also in case of 610 ◦ 630 ◦ 670 nm or this is just in case of 830nm.

Also:
"“A couple of studies show negative effects in testicle function and tissues from certain doses of light. In the 670 nm wavelength group, serum T level was also significantly increased the testosterone levels at the same intensity of 360 J/cm /day. On histopathological examination, there were no definite changes in the 670 nm wavelength group. In the 808 nm wavelength group, there were such findings as an atrophy of the seminiferous tubules, disarrangement of sertoli cells, generation of giant multinucleated bodies and other deformities."
Which confirms that 670nm is better choice for testicles.

 

[newbie]

I received Red Light Mini today 610 ◦ 630 ◦ 670 and I am very confused about couple of thins. I hope somebody could answer:
1. Some members say they stare at light with open eyes. I tried it but I felt very uncomfortable staring with open eyes directly to light even at 1m distance, the light is sooo strong.

When I first looked at it just for 3 seconds I get strange red vision for couple of minutes, for example white paper with text was not white anymore semi white red color. So now I am wondering is something wrong with my light, did I receive right light, is it normal that I felt so uncomfortable first time? I also have Phillips infrared 250w and it is much easier to stare at it (I tried it only for 5 seconds because I don't know if it is safe).

Second thing:
It is said that red light doesn't heat. But the frame of this light gets very warm when it is turned on for 10 minutes, I also feel a warm felling in the area where the light is focused, it is not hot but I can feel the tiny warm feeling. Is that still safe to use on balls?

 

[Daniel11]

I am not sure if this has already been mentioned. Light therapy could also negative affect thyroid or other tissue if too intensive.
Low Level Light Therapy For Hypothyroidism - Analyzing The Research

With 830nm, 150mW lowered thyroid hormones in rabbits, whereas 50mW increases hormones in humans and animals.
With redlightman Infrared Mini 830nm 200 mW/cm² is at 10cm
With redlightman Red Light Device Mini 610 ◦ 630 ◦ 670 nm 200 mW/cm² is at 0cm

Daniel11 you wrote that you use it close to skin. This would mean 200 mW. I am not sure is 200 mW/cm² would be too much also in case of 610 ◦ 630 ◦ 670 nm or this is just in case of 830nm.

Also:
"“A couple of studies show negative effects in testicle function and tissues from certain doses of light. In the 670 nm wavelength group, serum T level was also significantly increased the testosterone levels at the same intensity of 360 J/cm /day. On histopathological examination, there were no definite changes in the 670 nm wavelength group. In the 808 nm wavelength group, there were such findings as an atrophy of the seminiferous tubules, disarrangement of sertoli cells, generation of giant multinucleated bodies and other deformities."
Which confirms that 670nm is better choice for testicles.

I apologize i did not see your question earlier, i have used for long time now on my belly right against the skin, on my testes, the trick with using the light on the testes is use when you first turn on the light so the unit is cool. I never use infrared light only visible spectrum. I have and still get excellent results using orange and red wavelengths, first thing in morning right after waking up is great time.

This is the light i use..
- Life Giving Store

 

[Daniel11]

I received Red Light Mini today 610 ◦ 630 ◦ 670 and I am very confused about couple of thins. I hope somebody could answer:
1. Some members say they stare at light with open eyes. I tried it but I felt very uncomfortable staring with open eyes directly to light even at 1m distance, the light is sooo strong.

When I first looked at it just for 3 seconds I get strange red vision for couple of minutes, for example white paper with text was not white anymore semi white red color. So now I am wondering is something wrong with my light, did I receive right light, is it normal that I felt so uncomfortable first time? I also have Phillips infrared 250w and it is much easier to stare at it (I tried it only for 5 seconds because I don't know if it is safe).

Second thing:
It is said that red light doesn't heat. But the frame of this light gets very warm when it is turned on for 10 minutes, I also feel a warm felling in the area where the light is focused, it is not hot but I can feel the tiny warm feeling. Is that still safe to use on balls?

All that is normal when staring at the light, start slow on the testes, 10 sec then add 5 sec each day as you feel comfortable.

 

[Daniel11]

Have all of you been exploring the Inclined Bed Therapy thread, so simple and offers so much benefit, i feel more rested and much warmer when i sleep and wakeup, with orange and red light therapy in the mornings you have a great start to the day.

Inclined Bed Therapy - Sleeping With The Head End Of The Bed Elevated

 

[Waremu]

Could be one of the reasons I was experiencing super-fast hair thinning while I used this.

You were putting the light directly on your hair? That is quite shocking to hear that. I was thinking about buying one to test out and shine on various body parts, but this is giving me second thoughts, reading about the increased TGF-b1. I need to look and see if red light vs infrared would make a difference in this as I try to pull up more studies, if any are 0ut there to find.

 

[Daniel11]

I continue to get great benefits with using the orange/red light for photobiomodulation, besides the open eyes i have been using it to enhance lymphatic functioning and this improves the immune system, i notice almost immediate benefits in how i feel when i do do this.

The area i find best for enhancing lymphatic functioning this is putting the light over the groin, right on the skin, the groin area is major junction for lymphatic vessels and lymph glands, also over the spleen is excellent to do. I hold the light for 2-3 min on the skin over the groin, you can move the light around in that area see what feels good to you, its also very relaxing.

If you have ever had a Tai therapeutic massage its the same location they will press their palms over very firmly and hold for a couple a minutes, this is the area of the Inguinal lymph nodes.

Lymphatic system - Wikipedia

 

[Catherinesp]

Red Light Therapy will greatly enhance endocrine functioning and increase cellular energy, but you will still need to improve digestion and reestablish microbial balance in your intestines.

Intestinal dysbiosis is the main reason most people are not digesting and absorbing nutrients they need from their food, the causes are many. Often times digestive issues start at birth; being born C-section, lack of breast feeding or after rounds of antibiotics, also drinking chlorinated and fluorinated water can cause many problems for the intestines and thyroid, its very important to drink good clean water.

Table Salt or “Iodized Salt” is another major health concern, it is not a healthy naturally occurring rock, crystal or sea salt. It is a manufactured type of sodium called sodium chloride with added iodide.

Iodine in salt available at grocery stores, restaurants and in practically all processed foods, have synthetic chemicals added to them. These chemicals may include manufactured forms of iodide, sodium solo-co-aluminate, fluoride sodium bicarbonate, toxic amounts of potassium iodide, anti-caking agents and aluminum derivatives.

Unfortunately, most table salt is not only unhealthy but is toxic to the thyroid and body and should never be considered as a source of natural iodine or minerals.

Salt found in nature and unprocessed is not usually white it is has color such as Himalayan Pink Salt which is harvested in pristine mountains and naturally dried in the sun and rich in necessary beneficial minerals.

Many health issues begin because of intestinal dysbiosis causing a state of malnutrition, even if we are eating healthy foods, thats why we are often depleted in vitamins and minerals, after reestablishing microbial balance you will be able to digest and absorb all the nutrients your body needs and understands.

I had mentioned in other threads about Larch arabinogalactan, it is truly my all time favorite supplement, it offers numerous health benefits including; digestion, liver health, immune system, enhance detoxification pathways and it is very helpful for relieving food and environmental allergies.

Because Larch arabinogalactan has a range of low, mid and high molecular weight polysaccharides it produces a broad range of actions that compliment each other. It will make you feel more comfortable very quickly and increase the benefits of red light therapy because it helps improve digestion, liver and normal detoxification, this will help relax ones nervous system and improve the quality of ones sleep and health.

Hi Daniel
I have been reading through this forum for a couple of days now as I was interested in LED therapy for skin and General well being ...Have learned so much and have just purchased the mini read/orange one you use...I am interested in the Larch supplement you mention...Can you please link it for me and what is your findings on skin rejuvenation using this lamp..Also with doing the eyes, would you have to do both eyes individually or together in one go...Kind Regards

 

[Soren]

Anyone know what a good amount of time would be to use this red light device shined directly on the thyroid to help with hypothyroidism? It is from Redlightman.com it is a combo of 620 ◦ 670 ◦ 760 ◦ 830 nm and is 200mw per cm2 at a distance of 5cm. Red-Infrared Combo Mini - Red Light Man