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Not sure if something like this has been posted yet. I saw it in a paper and thought it was a nice little chart. Presumably extracted vitamin e from these oils would keep the same profile.
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like it...thanks!Not sure if something like this has been posted yet. I saw it in a paper and thought it was a nice little chart. Presumably extracted vitamin e from these oils would keep the same profile.
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That is a nice chart. I like the look of palm oil if you also consider the content of γ-tocotrienol, which has a prenylated tail but the same ṄO-scavenging head group. I haven't read about the cellular distribution of the tocotrienols yet, but I think you can assume on the character of their tail that they'd partition more intracellularly—perhaps being more associated with the mitochondria and less with the cell membrane (I should look into this). Perhaps it would also be good to post the fatty acid speciation of palm oil for quick reference:Not sure if something like this has been posted yet. I saw it in a paper and thought it was a nice little chart. Presumably extracted vitamin e from these oils would keep the same profile.
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Perhaps you should listen to Terrence McKenna if you haven't already. He has experimented with indoles like dimethyltrypamine and LSD (the ergoline ring actually has an indole buried within it). These are drugs which indisputably activate serotonin receptors, and I think Terrence McKenna mostly operates under the serotonin circuitry (and has quite a bit of experience in perturbing it). He's very linguistic but he's not a very rigorous logician, most of the time, and I think he very often fails when it comes to logic and hard science—which I think are perhaps more low-serotonin head states, and could have a bit more to do with histamine and dopamine.@Travis Interesting thoughts on the serotonin-emotion-creativity interface. Anecdotally, being put on SSRI's as an anxious 17-year old really exploded my interest in art, especially classical music, something that's gradually faded after coming off them and especially since using serotonin antagonists. I sort of miss it; what I don't miss however, are the prolactin breast itches.
Lol. I hope I never consume enough tryptophan and oleic acid at one time to start enjoying The Four Seasons. FFS! Everytime I hear that scoochi' song 'Sherry' it makes me want to strangle a puppy. (If I had my way that Frankie Valli would be sleepin' with the fishes.)Great stuff on olive oil and the italians; if your posts start containing words like "youse," and recommendations of tomato sauce over pineapples, we'll know the tryptophan experiment has started!
Nice. I smoke about 12 cigarettes per day so I should really need to start using that stuff—perhaps even check the ratios found in the foods I eat. I noticed on the chart above that otherwise perfect coconut oil has literally '0% γ-tocopherol' (although is does have some δ-toco to offset the α-toco). As the lungs experience the most nitrogen radical exposure, it follows that this should be the most important place to have the proper γ∶α ratio. There are some good lung cancer rat studies ou there using γ-tocopherol specifically, and I think I might check those out pretty soon here (not that I'm overly concerned about it or anything, smoking 100% natural).. .I have started to test this one but I asked the manufacturer to verify what it is...
Albert Szent-Györgyi writes a lot about charge transfer complexes, and I think the book in which he does so the most has a free online .pdf edition.. .Per Ray- A possible mitochondrial site for toxicity: In 1971 I was trying to combine some of the ideas of Albert Szent-Gyorgyi, Otto Warburg, W. F. Koch, and L. C. Strong. I was interested in the role of ubiquinone in mitochondrial respiration. In one experiment, I was using paper chromatography to compare oils that I had extracted from liver with vitamin E and with commercially purified ubiquinone. Besides using the pure substances, I decided to combine vitamin E with ubiquinone for another test spot. As soon as I combined the two oils, their amber and orange colors turned to an inky, greenish black color. I tested both bacterial and mammalian ubiquinone, and benzoquinone, and they all produced similar colors with vitamin E. When I ran the solvent up the paper, the vitamin E and the ubiquinone traveled at slightly different speeds. The black spot, containing the mixture, also moved, but each substance moved at its own speed, and as the materials separated, their original lighter colors reappeared. Charge-transfer bonds, which characteristically produce dark colors, are very weak bonds. I think this must have been that kind of bond. Years later, I tried to repeat the experiment, using "ubiquinone" from various capsules that were sold for medical use. Instead of the waxy yellow-orange material I had used before, these capsules contained a liquid oil with a somewhat yellow color. Very likely, the ubiquinone was dissolved in vegetable oil. At the time, I was puzzled that the color reaction didn't occur, but later I realized that a solvent containing double bonds (e.g., soy oil or other oil containing PUFA) would very likely prevent the close association between vitamin E and ubiquinone which is necessary for charge-transfer to occur. Since I think Koch and Szent-Gyorgyi were right in believing that electronic activation is the most important feature of the living state, I think the very specific electronic interaction between vitamin E and ubiquinone must play an important role in the respiratory function of ubiquinone. Ubiquinone is known to be a part of the electron transport chain which can leak electrons, so this might be one of the ways in which vitamin E can prevent the formation of toxic free-radicals. If it can prevent the "leakage" of electrons, then this in itself would improve respiratory efficiency. If unsaturated oils interfere with this very specific but delicate bond, then this could explain, at least partly, their toxicity for mitochondria. ["Electron leak" reference: B. Halliwell, in Age Pigments (R. S. Sohal, ed.), pp. 1-62, Elsevier, Amsterdam, 1981.]
Still having a hard time believing any Vit. E in a yellow color capsule is beneficial.
It will be interesting to hear their response, because according to the chart @schultz posted, wheat germ oil derived vitamin e should be more a-tocopherol dominant--just like Tocovit. To note, I'm not dogging any of these oils, just curious how they can call out the y-tocopherols on the label--which to me suggests it's a major component.I have started to test this one but I asked the manufacturer to verify what it is...
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Besides antagonizing some of the end effects of the toxic fatty acids, vitamin E inhibits lipolysis, lowering the concentration of free fatty acids (the opposite of estrogen’s effect), and it also binds to, and inactivates, free fatty acids. The long saturated carbon chain is very important for its full functioning, and this saturated chain might allow it to serve as a substitute for the omega -9 fats, from which the Mead acid is formed. The unsaturated tocotrienols have hardly been tested for the spectrum of true vitamin E activity, and animal studies have suggested that it may be toxic, since it caused liver enlargement.
It will be interesting to hear their response, because according to the chart @schultz posted, wheat germ oil derived vitamin e should be more a-tocopherol dominant--just like Tocovit. To note, I'm not dogging any of these oils, just curious how they can call out the y-tocopherols on the label--which to me suggests it's a major component.
Oh wow--what a mistake. Could be misleading, to some degree. But, I guess you could argue it does have y-tocopherol in it.It’s alpha. They admitted making a mistake on their label.
I did find this info on some other retailers who carry it;http://www.jarrow.com/product/221/Gamma_E
Other Ingredients
Softgel consists of gelatin, glycerin, purified water and organic caramel.
No wheat, no gluten, no dairy, no egg, no fish/shellfish, no peanuts/tree nuts.
This could be the one!
Supplement FactsI did find this info on some other retailers who carry it;
"Other Ingredients Soybean oil. Softgel consists of gelatin, glycerin and water. Carob and caramel added as a light barrier. Contains Soy"