so a Peat diet is probably one of the more adequate in choline relative to RDA and pregnant mother reccomendations and things...it seems an average diet provides maybe even half or around there choline, depending on factors. Apparently its a methyl/methionine kind of thing which you hear to keep down for long life and less aging and things (its apparently the true cause of low calorie extending lifespan) and Ray warms agains over methylation (yet advocates coffee which has caffeine which is trimethyl xanthine). Basically I find it strange that I never crave eggs though the diet I consume is probably half to 70% of what is recommended for choline dietarily, so perhaps de novo synthesis is taking place from proteins...but I was wondering if Peat has commented on this or if anyone has any info. I also do consume xanthines...used to in huge amounts theobromine, caffeine, theophylline, the whole gambit...now still some but more moderate maybe anywhere from little to none to 700ish mg a day varied sources depending on things...I don't know if other methyl donors would vastly aid in de novo choline synthesis and maybe this is behind caffeins aid in liver clearing and lipid clearing propensity, as methyl donors would be a limiting factor in choline synthesis and the dietary folate, b6, and b12 are basically in micrograms or at most a milligram or 2 so that is kind of an irrelivent factor as far as synthesizing 300+ for example mg of choline would need...something like spinach, beets, or even quinoa has a lot of betaine which could spare choline and potentially provide methyl donors though I think, not sure, but think it might be an irreversible thing (once the methyls are in betaine). So basically does anyone have any Peat info, or actual info, on choline that's not maybe so common that maybe people could already have read on the first page of google for example, and do you think providing methyl donors via xanthine sources is a good thing for liver clearance, potential choline synthesis, and where is that line between the 'dangers of overmethylation', what you hear about methyl and or methionine being bad, and yet the profound or perported benefits they also can have...is it maybe a metabolic thing related in the direction your metabolism is going so to speak...hibernation or growth? Basically personally I don't care that much cause I haven't craved eggs or anything high in choline for years so I think milk + whatever else I consume is providing enough but I'm interested in the whole process of xanthines, methyls, ect...and for a while I didn't need any xanthines...didn't have for basically a year to year and a half any, but then as stress went up the desire came back and its good, so in a sense im glad I recovered them they are enjoyable, its not really true stress though its basic authoritative stuff environment stress not really personal or dietary, but in that case a bit of extra fire helps...when life is on own path thyroid alone covers easily energy but when 'combatting' so to speak not physically obviously but when being challenged for time and usage of energy by outside forces somehow xanthines seem to be useful...anyways more interested in methyls, methionine, and choline mostly..any info would be cool