40yo Male, Heart Attack, Now What?

[Amazoniac]

conflicting info regarding sat. Fat

I think that there's some truth to it, especially if there's excess fermentation in the intestines:
Endotoxin And Fat Consumption

 

[DaveFoster]

Men do work better on T4 only because we don't have as much oestrogen interfering with liver function and so holding up the conversion of T4 to T3.

T4 and T3 is a better bet than T4 on its own BUT the ratios are really important. Lots of people are using natural thyroid hormone and this is made in a 4:1 ratio. However, a high level of T3 can actually shut down our thyroid system and so make you hypo (not hyper). It certainly does for me.

Dr Blanchard (unfortunately passed away this year) has written quite a few books on thyroid illness and his ideas are very different to conventional thyroid treatment. The big difference is the ratio he says will get you well. It is basically 98% T4 and 2% T3. He does used compounded SLOW release T3 however and i think this is why this low dose really helps people. I myself have discovered (prior to reading DR B's books) a low dose of T3 is much moe effective than bigger doses. I used to use 150 T4 and 50 T3. Over time i have reduced down the T3 and i now use 3mcg T3 most days. Some days i will miss it out fully. My health is much better on this mix of 150 T4 and 3 T3.

As to the OP post, her husband has had a heart attack because of hypothyrodism. He needs to treated with T4 and his cholesterol will come down naturally. It would be better not to use the cholesterol lowering drugs though because this interfere with some many functions. Over time it may be an idea to introduce a tiny bit of T3, but stick with the T4 for now and see how he reacts. It is always best to start on low doses of any hormone and build up slowly

I e-mailed Dr. Peat about Dr. Blanchard's ratio of T4:T3. He didn't respond, so he must not think highly of his work.

 

[marsaday]

Its irrelevant what peat things of a thyroid specialist.

The point is that people are aware that differing ratios of T4/T3 will affect people differently. There is never one protocol which fits all human beings. Many people are making themselves ill because they are using too much T3 for their system to process. The 4;1 or 3;1 ratio is the mainstream protocol but people need to be aware of a different protocol.

 

[InChristAlone]

Vitamin C to keep his arteries functioning.

 

[RMJ]

Danny Roddy and Haidut talking about heartdisease

 

[Zpol]

The Mediterranean diet may be helpfull. In the topic Is Peat Wrong After All? The Lyon Heart Study - is mostly about this diet.

I also would like to have your special attention to good quality olive oil . It shows consistently good results for cardio problems.
For example :
Olive Oil Polyphenols Decrease LDL Concentrations and LDL Atherogenicity in Men in a Randomized Controlled Trial

Risk of first non-fatal myocardial infarction negatively associated with olive oil consumption: a case-control study in Spain. - PubMed - NCBI

But oil must be of good quality and rich in polyphenols.
You can search for good brands at the site World's Best Olive Oils

I don't know where you live , but in USA for example the brand Olive Ranch is good.


And all the best to you and your loved one. May you be better and helthier day after day!

I do have access to fresh Olive oil. Do you think it's okay to light saute with or put on hot food? I don't know it has a temperature were it will turn rancid but I don't know what it is.

There is no benefit to having grains in the diet, except for oatmeal. Oatmeal is rich in manganese. I agree with Jack Hanma regarding the benefits of manganese.
Saturated fat, such as what is found in butter or coconut oil, will be heart healthy. Avoid the polyunsaturated fats such as corn oil, canola oil, soybean oil, and so on.
Eggs and beef will be healthy. Bone broth will be good. Onions are good for heart health. Diet alone usually doesn't affect cholesterol levels very much, unless there is a nutritional deficiency. It tends to be determined more by heredity. Your husband will be on statins which will lower his cholesterol.
Yes, you should use butter, coconut oil, and salt. A small percentage of people get high blood pressure from using salt, but for most people, using salt is good. Unless your husband is one of those people where salt gives them high blood pressure.

Thanks! He won't eat oysters but I think he will eat oatmeal.

Interesting.
Mollusks, oyster, eastern, wild, raw Nutrition Facts & Calories

This source says 18% rda for 100 grams of oysters. Maybe other sites state higher amounts. Otherwise to get the 100% rda more sources would be necessary; presuming one adheres to the minimals rdas.

That acu-cell site and others speak about high sugars using manganese up. Other sites speak about tannins in coffee/tea inhibiting its absorption.
This study speaks about the negatives of b1 supplementation in animals without manganese: Manganese and Vitamin B1
So anyone taking b1 especially should consider higher manganese. Boron works the same way with it.

The first day or two when I started high maple syrup and lowered orange juice; I noticed my stools were very dark and black and full of fat. I believe the blackness was excessive iron being removed from manganese. The fat perhaps was excess cholesterol. Afterwards all I have noticed is premium movements.

This is news to me! I am also low in manganese and was about to start some B1 supps. I'll have to take care of that asap.

Here is Chris Masterjohn's take on high cholesterol.

The short and sweet version:

The version with all the details: https://chrismasterjohnphd.com/2017/03/19/what-to-do-about-high-cholesterol/

Very good, brief and to the point video. Getting his thyriod checked will be huge, and getting daily low impact exercise.

The atorvastatin (Lipitor) will interfere with the liver's cholesterol production, which thyroid hormones helps to convert into the steroid hormones, including pregnenolone and its derivatives. Thyroid hormone will lower cholesterol; lower adrenaline (and an accelerated pulse) over time; lower blood pressure; antagonize estrogen's effects and increase progesterone production, both of which will prevent excess clotting and reduce symptoms of angina.





High Estrogen and Heart Disease in Men – Functional Performance Systems (FPS)

Over the last few months I've been trying to get him to stop with conventional SLS and paraben laden body products, these are probably his biggest cause of estrogen. He's not interested in the science though.

im in a similar situation
obviously reduce puffa its in everything
take nattokinase (100mg daily), but check with doctor if it will effect other blood thinning agents like asprin and clopidogrel or similar
vit k2 d and e
consider also Haiduts mitolipin

I'll get some nattokinase, mitolipin as well would seem helpful, thanks.

Addressing this first....


Those temperature readings simply can't be right. At the extremes, he would be dead from either hypothermia or hyperthermia.



I'm sure, like many on this forum, I don't think very highly of those recommendations that I bolded. In fact, my opinion of garbage is higher.

If you are looking to challenge the recommendations of statins and a low saturated fat diet, the best resource I've come across is "The Great Cholesterol Con" by Anthony Colpo. He lists and breaks down EVERY dietary intervention study in relation to heart disease ever conducted, and EVERY statin trial, up to the time of publishing. Well worth the purchase price for that info alone.

Similarly, if considering a statin drug, you may be interested in reading "Lipitor: Thief of Memory" by Doctor (and Astronaut!) Duane Graveline. Even if a statin drug has some cardiovascular benefit in his particular case, there are very serious side effects that he should be aware of.

Last thing I would suggest is to demand a full iron panel, including ferritin. Colpo's book also goes into the causal role of high iron in heart disease, and lists good resources for further research.

Yea, those nurses were inept at taking temperature! I took it a few times at home and it's averaging 97.8 F. Typical for hypothyroidism. Although, I just found that he is also taking Tylenol to reduce fever! Apparently they told him to do this when his temps were high. He probably didn't tell me this because he knew I'd have something to say about it.
Thank you, you bet I'm going read these books asap!

Thank you all so much! I knew I could rely on you all to point me in the right direction!

 

[Pompadour]

I do have access to fresh Olive oil. Do you think it's okay to light saute with or put on hot food? I don't know it has a temperature were it will turn rancid but I don't know what it is.

Some say that is safe to cook with extra virgin olive oil - polyphenols and vitamin E seem to safe it from oxidation. (https://chriskresser.com/is-it-safe-to-cook-with-olive-oil/)
But i personally prefer it not cooked - on my veggies or meat and fish. I just enjoy the taste and for me good olive oil's taste is too delicate for sauteing. But it's just the question of taste preferences.

 

[Zpol]

Its irrelevant what peat things of a thyroid specialist.

The point is that people are aware that differing ratios of T4/T3 will affect people differently. There is never one protocol which fits all human beings. Many people are making themselves ill because they are using too much T3 for their system to process. The 4;1 or 3;1 ratio is the mainstream protocol but people need to be aware of a different protocol.

This is concerning to me. I take 50 MCG of T4 in the morning and 10 MCG of T3 (liothyronine) divided morning and evening. My TSH is 1 on this, however, my temps are usually between 97.6 and 98.2 F, pulses are in the mid 80s.

Vitamin C to keep his arteries functioning.

I've read this too. I'm really pushing the OJ. Can't get him to take supps.

 

[DuggaDugga]

Beef heart for CoQ10. Lower estrogen and increase testosterone. Avoid oxidative stress. Get sufficient salt to keep aldosterone down. Promote efficient energy production.

 

[burtlancast]

See my post here
Dean Ornish Diet - Worst Ever! And Sadly Featured On TED

 

[marsaday]

This is concerning to me. I take 50 MCG of T4 in the morning and 10 MCG of T3 (liothyronine) divided morning and evening. My TSH is 1 on this, however, my temps are usually between 97.6 and 98.2 F, pulses are in the mid 80s.

And how do you feel ? If you feel rubbish then your ratio might be off. If you feel fine keep doing what you are doing.

 

[Ideonaut]

I'm sorry to hear of your situation. I hope things improve. I don't have much to add except the last thing I would do is replace saturate fats with whole grains.

I'm always so sorry to hear about such severe health problems! There are several comments here in the "Peat must be wrong" vein, and your husband's doctors obviously think so, but you must have some doubts about the doctors' advice or you wouldn't be asking for help here. My question is, how did he get in such bad shape at such a young age? Did he eat a lot of PUFAs (polyunsaturated fatty acids--mainly vegetable oils, the main Peat baddy), get too much iron, overeat, underconsume good calcium and copper souces? I would certainly reverse the probably largely non-Peaty behaviors that caused the problem. I would have him drink a lot of non-or lowfat milk, FRESH o.j., eat lots of gelatin, well cooked potatoes, well-cooked mushrooms, fresh oysters, crab, fresh well-ripened fruit, etc. There's lots of info here.

 

[Zpol]

I'm always so sorry to hear about such severe health problems! There are several comments here in the "Peat must be wrong" vein, and your husband's doctors obviously think so, but you must have some doubts about the doctors' advice or you wouldn't be asking for help here. My question is, how did he get in such bad shape at such a young age? Did he eat a lot of PUFAs (polyunsaturated fatty acids--mainly vegetable oils, the main Peat baddy), get too much iron, overeat, underconsume good calcium and copper souces? I would certainly reverse the probably largely non-Peaty behaviors that caused the problem. I would have him drink a lot of non-or lowfat milk, FRESH o.j., eat lots of gelatin, well cooked potatoes, well-cooked mushrooms, fresh oysters, crab, fresh well-ripened fruit, etc. There's lots of info here.

He used to smoke cigarettes, from age 14 up to 39. He quit for a year and began e-cigs. So this is a big factor. Also, binge drinks beer, vodka, whiskey. A typical Wisconsin boy. Over the last two years, he's really been cleaning up his act. Trying to avoid PUFA mainly. It's been very hard for him to make any diet and lifestyle changes. He gets stressed about it very easily and then worries the stress is making him sicker. I don't understand why it's so hard for him but now with the knowledge his thyriod is so incredibly bad, I guess that explains some of it. I can't even speculate how hard it would be to be walking around with a TSH of 48. I wouldn't have thought it was even possible. His temps were usually good he said but his resting pulses were. I think it's safe to say he's been fueled mainly by cortisol for the last few years.

He's great at following the cardio diet very well which is fundamentally low fat so that's a good start. Drinking low fat milk and eating eggs and OJ once a day. It's going to be a long road to recovery. I really appreciate all your tips!

 

[Zpol]

FRESH o.j.

I just found a place to get fresh squeezed super sweet Valencia OJ... In Neenah Wisconsin!
Happy day.

A another note. Winter is literally coming and I've been regretting not moving to Florida when I had the chance... Well, not regretting that anymore!

 

[alywest]

Hi Zpol. Sorry to hear about your loved one's health issue. That is really scary and can be totally life changing. It can throw everything into question. I would recommend above all else some really high progesterone supplementation. I would buy a bottle asap (or 2) and just slather it on to his gums (or let him do it, lol). Keep checking if the veins are popping out in the back of the hands when at waist level. Weak capillaries are caused by estrogen dominance and progesterone helps to heal and strengthen the blood vessels. Keep taking it until the veins subside and then take again when they start to pop again. It's a sign of stress.

You already got a lot of advice about the thyroid, but I would also say that I have recently learned after years of thyroid trial and error to take the t4 supplement at night (as darkness is stressful) with the 1/4 dose of t3 and then take the rest of the t3 in small doses throughout the day. This is all Ray Peat advice.

As far as the dietary recommendations, I would obviously avoid pufas above all else, and ignore their advice about saturated fats and whole grains. I would minimize fats, but I wouldn't use PUFA! And of course, fish oil is the worst. Also, drinking oj right before bed, during the night if he wakes up and before getting out of bed again in the morning to help dilute the blood (just a few sips at a time.) Also, look into vitamin E, he's already doing aspirin, and niacin to help reduce the amount of pufa being released into the bloodstream. Read the articles "Bleeding, Clotting, Cancer." and "Heart and hormones." Hope this helps.

 

[REOSIRENS]

Progesterone Triiodothyronine Co2 Lithium... Protect you from cardiovascular problems...they are heart protective

 

[TreasureVibe]

A heart attack = a blood clot that gets stuck in between big cholesterol deposits in arterial wall of the heart.

How to get rid of the cholesterol deposits? Ascorbic acid (vitamin C, Quali-C preferably as all other vitamin C sources on the market are cheap GMO China made vitamin C), L-Lysine and L-Proline daily. Also vitamin K2 just in case there is calcification of said cholesterol deposits.

It's called the Linus Pauling protocol. He and his collegue Matthias Rath did alot of studies on this subject. Google him

The doses of the protocol are high:
Daily:
Atleast 6000 mg vitamin C in divided doses of 1000 mg
6000 mg L-lysine
2000 mg L-proline
Vitamin K2 (dose as recommended by label or more, watch out if the supplement has vitamin K1 as vitamin K1 is pro-coagulant. Linus Pauling recommended vitamin K2 as well as people on this forum)

Linus Pauling also recommended vitamin E for cardiovascular disease. So do people on this forum. Vitamin E is a natural anticoagulant and prevents and dissolves blood clots. It also prevents lipid peroxidation of PUFA. Also it strengthens the heart and causes it to use oxygen more efficiently. You should build up your vitamin E dose from 10 IU to 400 IU and take this daily or every other day, with a meal or something fatty like olive oil.

Niacin is said to lower cholesterol. Niacinamide is said on this forum to lower CVD risk and treat it. Dosage for niacinamide is 50 mg. Dosage for niacin depends on who you ask.

The following excerpt is from the Unified Theory lecture. Linus Pauling relates the story of his invention of the Pauling therapy for cardiovascular disease, which was to add lysine to vitamin C. Dr. Pauling explains what happened in the case of the first person to try the therapy, a distinguished anonymous scientist who had asked Pauling for advice. The scientist was on disability, in pain, and generally unable to do work or exercise despite taking 5,000 mg of vitamin C daily. He asked Linus what else he might recommend for his cardiovascular disease, and Dr. Pauling recounts his own response as follows:

I didn’t have to tell him that lysine is an essential amino acid and you have to get around a gram a day to be in good health, and you get it in your foods, because he is one of the most distinguished biochemists in the United States, recipient of the National Medal of Science in the United States. So he said, “How much shall I take?” I thought, “What do I know?” I know that people get a gram or two in their food depending upon how much meat and fish they eat, that it’s essential, that they have to get around one gram. It hasn’t any known toxicity in animals or human beings. I said, “5 grams, 5 grams of lysine per day.” He thanked me.

A couple of months later he telephoned me and said, “It's almost miraculous! I started taking a gram a day and 2 grams and so on. Within a month after I had reached 5 grams a day of lysine in addition to my 5 grams of vitamin C, I could walk two miles without any nitroglycerin tablets or without any pain in the chest.” He said he had cut down the amount of heart medicine in half. “It’s almost miraculous,” he said.

Another couple of months went by and he telephoned me and said, “I was feeling so good the other day that I cut down a big tree in our yard and was chopping it up for wood, and I was also painting the house, and I got chest pains,” this despite his 5 grams of vitamin C and lysine. So he said that he “went up to 6 grams of lysine and 6 grams of vitamin C and told me, “Now I am continuing chopping down, chopping up the tree and painting the house.” And now a couple of years later he is still in fine health. — Linus Pauling [Transcribed from his 1993 Linus Pauling Unified Theory Lecture]

Manganese can cause irregular heartbeat in doses too high according to the same source I have this excerpt from.

 

[burtlancast]

I second everything Richard wrote above, and would like to add the Vit E supplementation is the cheapest and easiest way of stabilizing and reversing a recent infarct. But you'll need higher doses: 800 UI and above per day.

Read the Shutes books, some are free on archive org: these 2 brothers have treated tens of thousands of heart patients over a span of 40 years.
Health preserver : defining the versatility of vitamin E : Shute, Wilfrid E., 1907- : Free Download & Streaming : Internet Archive
Dr. Wilfrid E. Shute's complete updated vitamin E book : Shute, Wilfrid E., 1907- : Free Download & Streaming : Internet Archive
Vitamin E for ailing and healthy hearts : Shute, Wilfrid E., 1907- : Free Download & Streaming : Internet Archive

Vit E is also an estrogen antagonist, so it will help with the thyroid problems.

Another excellent and cheap treatment for infarcts is magnesium (the chloride kind) which helps the heart tremendously.

Magnesium and Healthy Heart | Life Extension Magazine

 

[goodandevil]

I just found a place to get fresh squeezed super sweet Valencia OJ... In Neenah Wisconsin!
Happy day.

A another note. Winter is literally coming and I've been regretting not moving to Florida when I had the chance... Well, not regretting that anymore!

A good resource, i think, that would give your husband a lot of reassurance and start him learning would be "Solved: The Riddle of Heart Attacks", by Broda Banres, m.d. i wish i could have 1000 copies because id hand them out to everyone who needed it; it's an excellent and compelling introduction for the layman on thyroid and heart disease.

 

[Zpol]

A good resource, i think, that would give your husband a lot of reassurance and start him learning would be "Solved: The Riddle of Heart Attacks", by Broda Banres, m.d. i wish i could have 1000 copies because id hand them out to everyone who needed it; it's an excellent and compelling introduction for the layman on thyroid and heart disease.

Thanks! I've read a lot by Broda Barnes but not that book. I'll have to check it out.
I know a little about the connection between thyroid and heart disease. It's because of this that I insisted the cardiologist do a thyroid panel, he wasn't going to otherwise... can you even believe it!?! A complete thyroid panel should be standard protocol for all patients with signs of of CVD.
I only understand the basics of the connection however, so this book should answer many of my questions and fill in the blanks for me. On the downside my "husband" (we're not technically married, long story), won't take any nutritional supplements and won't eat liver or shellfish so that's working against him. He's made a 180 degree change in lifestyle by quitting smoking, drinking, and cleaned up his diet significantly and I'm very proud of him for that. I've been cooking the majority of his food myself so I try to get in as much nutrition and eliminate damaging foods as much as possible.