Coconut Oil Warning

Richiebogie

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The "skeptics" here in Melbourne, Australia are all mainstream thinkers who will not abide controversy.

There is one correct opinion on every subject. If the authorized position is wrong the experts will correct it in the future. You are not qualified to question the experts.

Any health success you might get from following Ray Peat is unproven and anecdotal. Only double blind trials are legitimate...

Has anyone been able to disguise their partner's carrot salad, milk and OJ as kidney beans deep fried in margarine?
 

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Lauric acid absolutely has been shown to kill bacteria, look it up :emoji_nerd:
 

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From the podcast:

The 4 core clinical trials used in the American Heart Association (AHA) meta-analysis.
  • The Finnish Mental Hospitals Study makes the largest contribution to the AHA conclusion but was not a randomized controlled trial and doesn’t belong in this list.
  • The Oslo Diet-Heart Study was included and made a contribution, yet other trials were excluded on the basis of confounding that were far less confounded than Oslo.
  • The LA Veterans Administration Hospital Study showed that a vitamin E-deficient diet makes you vulnerable to the heart disease-promoting effects of smoking, and that vegetable oils cause more cancer than cigarettes.
  • The Medical Research Council study showed a trend toward a benefit of soybean oil that was not statistically significant. Lack of heat damage to the fats in the diet, coenzyme Q10, and omega-6/omega-3 balance could have played a role in the trend.
The AHA analysis didn't include a discussion about the pathogenesis of atherosclerosis including that the oxidation of lipoproteins drives atherosclerosis and polyunsaturated fats drive the oxidation. This is embraced by the leading conventional thinkers.

Coconut oil could protect against heart disease due to its low polyunsaturated fat content.

Traditional Pacific island diets were far higher in saturated fat than the standard American diet, yet heart disease was absent.

The Tokelau Migrant Study showed that the freedom from heart disease on Tokelau, where coconut consumption pushed saturated fat over 50% of calories, was not due to genetics or age.
 

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That's interesting and seems to be related to what @PakPik wrote about in this post regarding Vitamin C and blood vessel integrity. Why Do Some People Bleed From Aspirin Even When Taking Vit. K? The Vascular And Vitamin C Connection
 
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That was quite the post. Makes me wonder about vitamin C, collagen, and intestinal permeability.
 

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The LA Veterans Administration Hospital Study showed that a vitamin E-deficient diet makes you vulnerable to the heart disease-promoting effects of smoking, and that vegetable oils cause more cancer than cigarettes.

So the media "health" news propaganda outlets made cigarettes the total scapegoat to deflect blame from toxic vegetable oils, which are being protected and shielded by people in high places.

The US taxpayer is also coerced into subsidzing this toxic scourge. Whole aisles in the supermarket are loaded with this poison and I cringe when I see customers buying it.

Dave Asprey is a clever marketing guy; the high fat diet (ketones) he's promoted has finally caught up with him; he's gotten diabetes.

He didn't bulletproof himself enough. LOL

Long term use of Provigil and stopping the drug are unknown with lots of potential negatives.
 
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Here's Joe Rogan calling out Asprey for his lies about commercial coffee being full of mycotoxins.

 

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Here's Joe Rogan calling out Asprey for his lies about commercial coffee being full of mycotoxins.
It can be. Green coffee can have ochratoxin levels on par with moldy grain. But about 90% of this is destroyed with roasting. So even contaminated coffee is not, in practice, a very high source unless you like unroasted coffee (I would feel sorry for your coffee grinder if that were the case.)

And coffee from South America is nearly 100% free of mycotoxins anyway. After roasting, you could get a very small about of mycotoxins from African and Asian coffee.

Asprey should just tell people to drink South American coffee like a reasonable person instead of going full douchebag. His "proprietary process" sounds like weapons-grade bullshiτ since an entire continent regularly produces mycotoxin-free coffee, and has been even before Asprey became a woo-guru.

His Brain Octane Oil™ could less-stupidly be called Brain Octaneoic Oil.
 
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Herbie

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Even looks like Asprey.

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Dave Asprey is a clever marketing guy; the high fat diet (ketones) he's promoted has finally caught up with him; he's gotten diabetes.


He seems to be taking Metformin for its anti-aging effects. There is no evidence that he has diabetes. Likewise the fact that he is taking Provigil doesn't mean that he has narcolepsy.
 

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He seems to be taking Metformin for its anti-aging effects. There is no evidence that he has diabetes. Likewise the fact that he is taking Provigil doesn't mean that he has narcolepsy.

Seems you're right about him not having diabetes.
But sooner or later, his world will be crashing down with all these off-label drug uses and his ketone diet.

Remember Jim Fix, or the late marathonian in his fifties who died in the desert on his jogging routine.

And Asprey looks like ****.
 
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Seems you're right about him not having diabetes.
But sooner or later, his world will be crashing down will all these off-label drug uses and his ketone diet.

Remember Jim Fix, or the late marathonian in his fifties who died in the desert on his jogging routine.

And Asprey looks like ****.
Yes I agree his experiments are starting to catch up with him. I think of him as the pied piper of bio-hacking leading people to an early grave.
 

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See also the answer written by Dr. Fabian Dayrit, chairman of the Asian and Pacific Coconut Community’s Scientific Advisory Committee for Health, if you want to understand why SFA and coconut oil is not quite the same. (5) ;)
5. http://www.icp.org.ph/2017/06/a-half-truth-is-not-the-whole-truth-the-aha-position-on-saturated-fat/
Extract from an article I wrote if you read French (personal conclusion):
MCT oil vs. coconut oil: What is true?
A half-truth is not the whole truth!

As often nothing is totally white or black! We can quicklier metabolize C8 and C10 than C12. Right. Logical since there are less carbon atoms. But I prefer balancing amount of SCFA and MCFA.
I use both coconut oil and MCT with only C8 and C10. You need fibers when consuming only C8 / C10. Progressively and preferably if you are ketone-adapted (ketosis).




 

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