Chromium Is The Only Thing That Helps, Alternative?

A.R

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Peat has suggested making a hot water extract of brewers yeast for diabetes, drinking the liquid and discarding the solids - hopefully most of the estrogens are thrown out with the solids.

Was this suggestion made in a article or message?
 

nikolabeacon

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In fact, in one of his books, he said calcium was estrogenic.
He said that high estrogen( in combination with high cortisol and low thyroid) promotes the uptake of Ca which is not good and because of that it(Ca) is always involved in excitotoxic cell death.
 

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Chromium is dopaminergic, and pretty much anything dopaminergic is anti-diabetic. Bromocriptine, a dopamine agonist, is also an approved drug for diabetes.
 

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Chromium is not "very toxic". It has been studied in the context of diabetes and other diseases, and found to be helpful at restoring some degree of insulin sensitivity -- Role of Chromium in Human Health and in Diabetes | Diabetes Care

Effective doses used in these reviews were around 500-1000 micrograms a day.

Note that this refers specifically to Cr(III), which is the form of chromium most found in foods anyway.

Cr(IV) on the other hand, is very bad for mitochondrial function.

In this study, Cr(IV) inhibited basically everything regarding mitochondrial function. All complexes were shut down, and most importantly, Complex 1 was down -- Chromium(VI) interaction with plant and animal mitochondrial bioenergetics: a comparative study. - PubMed - NCBI

Cr(III) and Cr(VI) also have different effects on the mitochondrial permeability transition pore (MPT) -- Interactions of Cr(VI) and Cr(III) with isolated rat liver mitochondria

Cr(IV) tends to induce opening of the MPT, which we know is the initiating factor for Apoptosis of the cell (generally not a good thing when it is forced). Cr(III) on the other hand, prevented opening of the MPT in the presence of Cr(IV).

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Whether or not someone decides to take a chromium supplement is then up to themselves.

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do you think chromium polynicotinate is the safest one to use?

ive heard another version - picolinate is carcinogenic?
 

ddjd

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I'm taking niacin bound chromium polynicotinate, which in my experience works a lot better than picolinate or GTF. Probably the niacin helping somehow.

Most of the dangers have been from studies using picolinate.
are you still taking it sarah?
 

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I agree.

Many of the Peat-approved supplements have serious side effects, even though people here choose to ignore this fact. No matter the side effects, a Peat-approved supplement or food gets a pass. Yet a non Peat-approved supplement or food that is helpful, people will dig up any and every study that says this food or supplement "may" be dangerous or carcinogenic.

Let's be honest here: Everyone, including Ray Peat, cherry picks information to support their views. Ray Peat is a flawed, fallible human being. Any peat follower who does not understand this is in serious trouble. Ray Peat has changed his mind about lots of things. For example, in the past he used to recommend only 50 grams of protein per day and now he recommend much more. He also did not recommend lots of milk and calcium. In fact, in one of his books, he said calcium was estrogenic. So anyone who was following Peat's advice 20 or 30 years ago is not getting the same advice that current Peat followers are getting.What if Peat ends up changing his mind about chromium, for example. Then will it be okay to use and benefit from it?

Peat says cancer cannot exist without PUFA. Why then are Peat followers concerned about the possible carcinogenicity of chromium or any other substance? If Peat is correct, then the only thing a person needs to do to remain cancer free is deplete/avoid PUFA right? If the anti-cancer, pro-metabolic effects of no PUFA, milk, calcium, sugar, aspirin, and the other peat supplements/foods are so great, then why worry about the carcinogenicity of anything else?

There are different types of cancers and there is no substance, be it food or supplement, that is known to be a universal and sole cause of cancer. There are many people who ingest "carcinogenic" foods and chemicals every day and remain cancer free. Even the dreaded estrogen does not cause cancer in everyone. There are lots of people walking around with excess estrogen in their bodies and they do not have cancer. Human biochemistry is not that simple.

Given that the human life span is finite, we should put great emphasis on the quality of our lives and feeling good. Ray Peat is only 80 years old. We don't know him personally so we do not know the true state of his health. I know people who lived into their nineties and past 100 and they ate everything Peat disapproves of.

Very well said!
 

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Make sure you read the label. Most brewer's yeast (for human consumption) are not good sources of chromium.Today most brewer's yeast are de-bittered and that process drastically reduces the chromium content.

what Are good sources then
 

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